/ Too many cairns.

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tripehound - on 15 Jul 2017
What are peoples opinion of multiple cairns on our mountains? Some of the more popular peaks have rows of cairns, some of them only 12ft or so apart marking the footpaths. Do you think they are an eyesore and should we be removing them?
I have talked to people who navigate using only cairns and have no map and compass.
Ridge - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

The odd cairn marking a descent route isn't an issue, but people do like to build a cairn at evey opportunity, even if they serve no purpose. In some parts of the Lakes there are cairns all over the place, so there's no point even trying to navigate using them.

I think there's definately a case for removing most of them.
Ban1 - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Cairns should only be used as way markers. In terrible conditions the last thing you want is several cairns throwing you in every direction. Then again a map and compass should guide you to the right ones.
bouldery bits - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Def too many in the Lakes I'd say.

Simon Caldwell - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to bouldery bits:

Julia Bradbury telling everyone to add a stone to any cairn they see won't have helped
Rich W Parker - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

In parts of the Highlands these days 'cairns farms' and other vandalism, such as crags vestooned with scratched graffitti, are rife. Bad.
wintertree - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to Simon Caldwell:

> Julia Bradbury telling everyone to add a stone to any cairn they see won't have helped

On the other hand, every time I walk past a superfluous cairn...
Robert Durran - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to Rich W Parker:

> In parts of the Highlands these days 'cairns farms' and other vandalism.......

Yes, I've noticed this tendency at nice spots - groups of tall, thin cairns. The other day there were some out on the headland at Sheigra and, worse, someone had scratched "Rise Up" in large letters on the beautiful pristine Gneiss slabs. Is nothing sacred........
atrendall - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Yes they are an eyesore and yes we should be removing them. Every time I pass a totally superfluous cairn I adopt my cairn killer personna and rocks fly.
wee jamie on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Ever since I saw Cameron McNeish kicking down unnecassary cairns on Sail Liath on An Teallach in his wonderful Winderness Walks tv series in the 1990s, I have adopted a similar tradition.
Quite a few spring up on the Carn Mor Dearg ridge which take some time to demolish. They seem to reappear after a couple of years. Grumph
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Dave the Rave on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

I haven't seen a Cairn Terrier in years! They used to be dead popular, now it's all this French bulldog shit!0
henwardian - on 15 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Remove them if you want to, can't imagine anyone complaining.
I know that years ago there was a line of them going directly from the emergency shelter on the top of the Ben to the edge of the N face which I found immensely entertaining (but perhaps slightly irresponsible).

Anyone who navigates using cairns is a fool.
GrahamD - on 16 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

I can't get too upset about piles of stones. It's not like they are particularly permanent or unsightly.
rockcat - on 16 Jul 2017
In reply to atrendall:

Quite. Why is it that people who obviously like being in the mountains feel the need to defile the mountain environment and record their passing with unsightly piles of stones? Knock them down.
a crap climber - on 16 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Anyone seen the huge edifice on Styhead pass? It's just down from the tarn towards Seathwaite where the bridleway peters out a bit after the bridge. Looks like every rock in the surrounding grid square has been dumped on it. Would take more than a couple of kicks to knock it down
tripehound - on 16 Jul 2017
In reply to tripehound:

Thanks for all your opinions folks.
I put this on because I was accosted on Gt Gable by five people who accused me of vandalism when I was dismantling a cairn. It got quite heated, their argument being that not everyone could " navigate" and needed cairns as guidance. I felt if they needed cairns to navigate they should not be there, saying a cairn does not tell you where you are.
I had forgotten that Cameron McNeish had dismantled one on tv! thanks for that!
davidbeynon on 17 Jul 2017
In reply to Dave the Rave:

Hardly surprising. The cairn terrier is the losing card in dog "top trumps". It has lower stats in every area than anything else.

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