/ Repeat or Headpoint?

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Mike505 on 13 Aug 2017
I realise that it doesn't really matter iota however I'm just after an answer for the sake of historical accuracy. If I'd previously dogged a route (I hate that term) and later went back to clean it up should it be logged as a repeat ascent or a headpoint/redpoint?
Thanks folks for the responses to the can of worms I may have just opened.
tmawer - on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to Mike505:

I think it depends on exactly what happened. If you haven't practiced the moves then perhaps it's ground up, but it's all a bit murky. As you say, it doesn't matter but it's fun to think about!
Mike505 on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to tmawer:
In this instance I've previously lead it, fell off at the crux, pulled the ropes and went again for the ground up but peeled off again, didn't have enough left in me to attempt it again so rested on the ropes briefly before climbing to the top. I've since lead the route clean, couldn't really remember the moves but remembered the gear placements quite well.
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john arran - on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to Mike505:

Head/redpoint. Repeat implies you've completed it before in a oner, rather than just tried it or dogged it. Definitely not ground up if you've dogged it before.
climberchristy on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to Mike505:

Def redpoint as John arran said
tmawer - on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to john arran:

If he had lowered off, rather than resting before completing the route, would that have made his subsequent clean ascent ground up?
Mike505 on 13 Aug 2017
In reply to climberchristy:

We'll that settles it for me, looks like I've got a few amendments to make, thanks folks.
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climberchristy on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to tmawer:

Yes
radddogg - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to Mike505:

Sorry but the description to me is ground up. Headpoint implies knowledge of the entire route. In this case he fell twice and lowered off both times. The clean ascent was done with no prior knowledge of the route beyond the previous highpoint and is as such ground up.
Bulls Crack - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to radddogg:

No read the second post: rested then carried on to top
james.slater - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to radddogg:

But he did have knowledge of the entire route before the clean ascent... He fell off the second time (on a ground up attempt) but rather than lower to the ground he carried on after resting on the rope. So when he eventually does a full clean ascent, it would be best described as a redpoint.
radddogg - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to james.slater:

Sorry, just reread it and had missed the bit where he carried on up to the top. So yes, headpoint.
Hardonicus - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to Mike505:

Hi - it's only a headpoint if it is E6 or above. Cheers.
MischaHY - on 14 Aug 2017
In reply to Hardonicus:

Poor effort, 1/10
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