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I've been driving for around 6 months and I have received my first speeding ticket, 37 in a 30 last Friday. I only have to do an educational awareness course, but the thing is, is a few things don't make sense.
1 - The ticket was for 6:12pm 3 miles from home, when i had a meeting with my girlfriend for a climbing trip at 6pm and i wasn't very late.
2 - I met her after visiting a local B&Q which is no where near where the alleged offence occurred.
3 - There's a selfie of me, her, and the dog off on our trip in the car at 6:34pm, i would have had to cover 2 miles in rush hour to B&Q, buy a pack of drill bits, drive another 2 miles in rush hour home, pack my rack and climbing gear, and get about 2-3 miles in the opposite direction in 22 minutes, that just couldn't have happened.
So maybe I did previously speed on this downhill stretch of road, but I'm almost certain it wasn't at this time or date, what do you think has occurred and could their error invalidate the ticket?
Thanks! And sorry for speeding.
1 - The ticket was for 6:12pm 3 miles from home, when i had a meeting with my girlfriend for a climbing trip at 6pm and i wasn't very late.
2 - I met her after visiting a local B&Q which is no where near where the alleged offence occurred.
3 - There's a selfie of me, her, and the dog off on our trip in the car at 6:34pm, i would have had to cover 2 miles in rush hour to B&Q, buy a pack of drill bits, drive another 2 miles in rush hour home, pack my rack and climbing gear, and get about 2-3 miles in the opposite direction in 22 minutes, that just couldn't have happened.
So maybe I did previously speed on this downhill stretch of road, but I'm almost certain it wasn't at this time or date, what do you think has occurred and could their error invalidate the ticket?
Thanks! And sorry for speeding.
In reply to Donotello:
Does your letter say if the have photographic evidence, if so you can usually look at it online.
Does your letter say if the have photographic evidence, if so you can usually look at it online.
In reply to hokkyokusei:
How so, google doesn't provide helpful on this.
'Most forces will not release photographic evidence unless the ticket is challenged (plead not guilty). You should then be sent the evidence, which will usually include the photographic evidence and/or a statement.'
How so, google doesn't provide helpful on this.
'Most forces will not release photographic evidence unless the ticket is challenged (plead not guilty). You should then be sent the evidence, which will usually include the photographic evidence and/or a statement.'
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In reply to Donotello:
Its pretty tough to contest them these days. There were a number of errors on a recent speeding ticket I got and I consulted a specialist solicitor who advised me to pay it and take the points. If you dispute it and take it to the magistrates court there is the possibility you could end up with a harsher punishment. Id do the course, learn from it and be careful in future.
Probably not what you want to hear...
Its pretty tough to contest them these days. There were a number of errors on a recent speeding ticket I got and I consulted a specialist solicitor who advised me to pay it and take the points. If you dispute it and take it to the magistrates court there is the possibility you could end up with a harsher punishment. Id do the course, learn from it and be careful in future.
Probably not what you want to hear...
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In reply to Donotello:
Yes, a basic error over date or place would invalidate the ticket.
But, isn't the first thing that happens is that you're asked to tell them who the driver was? If so, you might genuinely claim uncertainty in your mind over that, and ask for photographic evidence to help clarify things.
> I'm almost certain it wasn't at this time or date, what do you think has occurred and could their error invalidate the ticket?
Yes, a basic error over date or place would invalidate the ticket.
But, isn't the first thing that happens is that you're asked to tell them who the driver was? If so, you might genuinely claim uncertainty in your mind over that, and ask for photographic evidence to help clarify things.
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In reply to Donotello:
Vehicle registration numbers get written down incorrectly sometimes if it's not one of these modern fully digital systems and people use false number plates too. I've had a ticket because of the former, and someone else in the family because of the latter. Both were challenged fairly easily by just making a phone call. So if you're sure it wasn't you then contact them -- there should be something hidden away in the small print on that.
Vehicle registration numbers get written down incorrectly sometimes if it's not one of these modern fully digital systems and people use false number plates too. I've had a ticket because of the former, and someone else in the family because of the latter. Both were challenged fairly easily by just making a phone call. So if you're sure it wasn't you then contact them -- there should be something hidden away in the small print on that.
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In reply to Donotello:
Do you have a receipt from B&Q? If so check the transaction time to see if your memory is correct regarding when you meet the gf.
Only time we challenged a ticket (not our vehicle reg) it turned out to be a hire car my Bf had for one day - he'd totally forgotten about it as it took about 6 months for them to get in touch. Once we checked back to diary though dates tied in with a trip to Scotland so fair play (just wish the hire company had told us and not just given our details to police, or that police had mentioned it was a hire car in their paperwork - would have saved us and the police a lot of time).
Do you have a receipt from B&Q? If so check the transaction time to see if your memory is correct regarding when you meet the gf.
Only time we challenged a ticket (not our vehicle reg) it turned out to be a hire car my Bf had for one day - he'd totally forgotten about it as it took about 6 months for them to get in touch. Once we checked back to diary though dates tied in with a trip to Scotland so fair play (just wish the hire company had told us and not just given our details to police, or that police had mentioned it was a hire car in their paperwork - would have saved us and the police a lot of time).
In reply to Donotello:
Maybe go on the course anyway, you might find out why speeding is so antisocial and dangerous.
Sorry to be the predictable, boring one.
Maybe go on the course anyway, you might find out why speeding is so antisocial and dangerous.
Sorry to be the predictable, boring one.
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In reply to Donotello:
I was caught speeding a couple of weeks ago, 37 in a 30 zone, same as you. The letter had a reference number and a link to a web site showing a photo of me in my car. Perhaps it's just West Yorkshire that do this, or perhaps just some speed cameras.
I was caught speeding a couple of weeks ago, 37 in a 30 zone, same as you. The letter had a reference number and a link to a web site showing a photo of me in my car. Perhaps it's just West Yorkshire that do this, or perhaps just some speed cameras.
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In reply to XXXX:
But why go on the course if there is a possibility that you weren't speeding?
The general lack of will to disclose the evidence without going to court is far from acceptable IMO.
> Maybe go on the course anyway, you might find out why speeding is so antisocial and dangerous.
> Sorry to be the predictable, boring one.
But why go on the course if there is a possibility that you weren't speeding?
The general lack of will to disclose the evidence without going to court is far from acceptable IMO.
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In reply to timjones:
Maybe I read it wrong, but nowhere does he deny actually speeding. In fact he apologises for it. I'm suggesting this might be a 'bonus' learning and development opportunity.
Maybe I read it wrong, but nowhere does he deny actually speeding. In fact he apologises for it. I'm suggesting this might be a 'bonus' learning and development opportunity.
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In reply to Donotello:
If you have a phone with Google maps you can look at your timeline to work out where you were at the time in question (which if find a bit creepy)
If you have a phone with Google maps you can look at your timeline to work out where you were at the time in question (which if find a bit creepy)
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In reply to Donotello:
Ask a lawyer. If you've just passed your test 6 months ago you don't want to get done for speeding, especially when you probably haven't.
Ask a lawyer. If you've just passed your test 6 months ago you don't want to get done for speeding, especially when you probably haven't.
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In reply to wurzelinzummerset:
I wonder if the latter was to do with me.
Unbeknownst to me my new van had the wrong plates on it, I only found out when it broke down and the recovery were expecting a Ford Ka not a large van.
Garage sorted it, it was only one letter out but a few weeks later I got a call from the police.
I had tripped a speed camera and the registered owner of the plate got the ticket.
I explained and told them it was now sorted and got let off with a warning for the speeding because it was not worth the hassle of changing the paperwork at their end.
> Vehicle registration numbers get written down incorrectly sometimes if it's not one of these modern fully digital systems and people use false number plates too. I've had a ticket because of the former, and someone else in the family because of the latter.
I wonder if the latter was to do with me.
Unbeknownst to me my new van had the wrong plates on it, I only found out when it broke down and the recovery were expecting a Ford Ka not a large van.
Garage sorted it, it was only one letter out but a few weeks later I got a call from the police.
I had tripped a speed camera and the registered owner of the plate got the ticket.
I explained and told them it was now sorted and got let off with a warning for the speeding because it was not worth the hassle of changing the paperwork at their end.
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In reply to Donotello:
If the error is an incorrect copying of the time from the source speed camera to the ticket - as seems plausible - then even if it does invalidate the ticket, I'd imagine that the law can more carefully write out or type up a valid ticket in response to your queery.
I would absolutely ask for photographic proof or a signed statement however. Just in case it's an error.
You might look at a car nav unit with speed limit awareness and audible overspeed warning. Much safer than driving in a 30 zone constantly looking down at your gauges. Each new generation of quieter/smoother cars makes it harder to carefully hold 30 mph without staring at gauges...
> ... could their error invalidate the ticket?
If the error is an incorrect copying of the time from the source speed camera to the ticket - as seems plausible - then even if it does invalidate the ticket, I'd imagine that the law can more carefully write out or type up a valid ticket in response to your queery.
I would absolutely ask for photographic proof or a signed statement however. Just in case it's an error.
You might look at a car nav unit with speed limit awareness and audible overspeed warning. Much safer than driving in a 30 zone constantly looking down at your gauges. Each new generation of quieter/smoother cars makes it harder to carefully hold 30 mph without staring at gauges...
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In reply to wintertree:
Stick it in 3rd in a 30 zone. You should instinctively fell the need to change up when you exceed 30 no matter how refined the engine. (This doesn't work for automatics or probably electric cars).
> Each new generation of quieter/smoother cars makes it harder to carefully hold 30 mph without staring at gauges...
Stick it in 3rd in a 30 zone. You should instinctively fell the need to change up when you exceed 30 no matter how refined the engine. (This doesn't work for automatics or probably electric cars).
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In reply to Donotello:
Is anyone else insured on the car?
If they are, write a very polite letter saying you can't recall who was driving so please can they send you the picture.
Is anyone else insured on the car?
If they are, write a very polite letter saying you can't recall who was driving so please can they send you the picture.
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In reply to Ridge:
I'm complete incapable of resisting the urge to change up. I feel uncomfortable as a passenger in a car where the driver doesn't. I now have a car with functional cruise control and I use that - stress free engine revs, zero gauge spotting and no ticket worries.
I'm still not used to the feel of the computer braking the car on downhills mind you.
> (This doesn't work for automatics or probably electric cars).
Yes, EVs are basically the end point for a diminishing human/mechanical connection with the drivetrain, excepting perhaps cars running on a magnetic levitation road...
> Stick it in 3rd in a 30 zone. You should instinctively fell the need to change up when you exceed 30 no matter how refined the engine.
I'm complete incapable of resisting the urge to change up. I feel uncomfortable as a passenger in a car where the driver doesn't. I now have a car with functional cruise control and I use that - stress free engine revs, zero gauge spotting and no ticket worries.
I'm still not used to the feel of the computer braking the car on downhills mind you.
> (This doesn't work for automatics or probably electric cars).
Yes, EVs are basically the end point for a diminishing human/mechanical connection with the drivetrain, excepting perhaps cars running on a magnetic levitation road...
In reply to Donotello:
Thanks all. Think i'm just going to do the course, and be more careful! And perhaps buy a sat nav that beeps at you like my instructor had.
Thanks all. Think i'm just going to do the course, and be more careful! And perhaps buy a sat nav that beeps at you like my instructor had.
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In reply to wintertree:
Yes, true, but the law would have only 14 days from the date of the offence to deliver the corrected ticket to you.
> If the error is an incorrect copying of the time from the source speed camera to the ticket - as seems plausible - then even if it does invalidate the ticket, I'd imagine that the law can more carefully write out or type up a valid ticket in response to your queery.
Yes, true, but the law would have only 14 days from the date of the offence to deliver the corrected ticket to you.
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In reply to Donotello:
I was clocked by a variable limit on the M1 2 weeks ago and S Yorks police definitely have the option of supplying photographic evidence - very prompt too. I now a nice collage of the car exceeding the limit and being overtaken as it does so!
Now to choose a course
I was clocked by a variable limit on the M1 2 weeks ago and S Yorks police definitely have the option of supplying photographic evidence - very prompt too. I now a nice collage of the car exceeding the limit and being overtaken as it does so!
Now to choose a course
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In reply to Donotello:
If you do the course you won't get points, if you don't you might.
As a new driver it's not worth the risk.
Do the course.
If you do the course you won't get points, if you don't you might.
As a new driver it's not worth the risk.
Do the course.
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In reply to rogerwebb:
I found that the course did slow me down afterwards.
Actually that needs quantifying.
I don't speed in my van and haven't for 15 years or so now.
But the course did slow me down on my bike for a while at least.
> If you do the course you won't get points, if you don't you might.
> As a new driver it's not worth the risk.
> Do the course.
I found that the course did slow me down afterwards.
Actually that needs quantifying.
I don't speed in my van and haven't for 15 years or so now.
But the course did slow me down on my bike for a while at least.
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In reply to Bulls Crack:
If you dint mind me asking, what speed did you get done for?
There's so many varied stories of the new variable speed camera gantries. I don't motorway drive that often at the moment, so on the odd chance I do, I never know how much I can push my luck!
I hear the cameras are only on if there is a speed shown on the gantry? But have also heard different.
Would be grateful if you could shed any light!
> I was clocked by a variable limit on the M1 2 weeks ago and S Yorks police definitely have the option of supplying photographic evidence - very prompt too. I now a nice collage of the car exceeding the limit and being overtaken as it does so!
> Now to choose a course
If you dint mind me asking, what speed did you get done for?
There's so many varied stories of the new variable speed camera gantries. I don't motorway drive that often at the moment, so on the odd chance I do, I never know how much I can push my luck!
I hear the cameras are only on if there is a speed shown on the gantry? But have also heard different.
Would be grateful if you could shed any light!
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In reply to Bulls Crack:
Ditto from Avon and Somerset! Very friendly and helpful when I phoned up and they sent the photo through in about 30 secs showing me doing 73mph in a totally empty section of 4-lane M5. Didn't stop me getting a bit grumpy and 3 points, but very efficient admin.
I would just phone them up to get the photo and put your mind at rest
> I was clocked by a variable limit on the M1 2 weeks ago and S Yorks police definitely have the option of supplying photographic evidence - very prompt too. I now a nice collage of the car exceeding the limit and being overtaken as it does so!
Ditto from Avon and Somerset! Very friendly and helpful when I phoned up and they sent the photo through in about 30 secs showing me doing 73mph in a totally empty section of 4-lane M5. Didn't stop me getting a bit grumpy and 3 points, but very efficient admin.
I would just phone them up to get the photo and put your mind at rest
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In reply to Babika:
And what was the posted speed limit?
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/147619-speed-enforcement-guidelines
And what was the posted speed limit?
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/147619-speed-enforcement-guidelines
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In reply to Donotello:
In Germany they just send you an almost perfect face on selfie of you speeding.. location, speed limit and speed you were doing. Just pay and move on.
In Germany they just send you an almost perfect face on selfie of you speeding.. location, speed limit and speed you were doing. Just pay and move on.
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In reply to baron:
That is very interesting! Apparently the gantries were showing 60 which I had failed to spot/act on as it was 4 empty motorway lanes. But according to this I shouldn't have got the points!
It was exactly 12 months ago so too late to challenge or reverse, but thanks for the info for future reference.
> And what was the posted speed limit?
That is very interesting! Apparently the gantries were showing 60 which I had failed to spot/act on as it was 4 empty motorway lanes. But according to this I shouldn't have got the points!
It was exactly 12 months ago so too late to challenge or reverse, but thanks for the info for future reference.
In reply to Donotello:
I think that doing the course will be intrinsically valuable - irrespective of whether you were or weren't speeding. Treat it as additional driver training. I think you're wise to opt for it.
On another issue, and I might possibly be wrong here, but I understand that some police forces regard anything over 35 as 'aggressive speeding' and thus you get automatic points rather than a points/course option. So, in that sense, you might be quite fortunate to be given the choice
Cheers
I think that doing the course will be intrinsically valuable - irrespective of whether you were or weren't speeding. Treat it as additional driver training. I think you're wise to opt for it.
On another issue, and I might possibly be wrong here, but I understand that some police forces regard anything over 35 as 'aggressive speeding' and thus you get automatic points rather than a points/course option. So, in that sense, you might be quite fortunate to be given the choice
Cheers
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In reply to Donotello:
If you're sure it wasn't you on that day then call them, explain why (clearer than you have here, I can't quite follow your timeline though I'm sure it makes sense to you) and ask to see the photograph. Unless you're certain you can demonstrate it wasn't you then I'd suggest you don't risk getting points (basically a four figure fine via the insurance company over the coming years). Just take the awareness course, it'll do you good anyway.
jk
If you're sure it wasn't you on that day then call them, explain why (clearer than you have here, I can't quite follow your timeline though I'm sure it makes sense to you) and ask to see the photograph. Unless you're certain you can demonstrate it wasn't you then I'd suggest you don't risk getting points (basically a four figure fine via the insurance company over the coming years). Just take the awareness course, it'll do you good anyway.
jk
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In reply to XXXX:
Maybe I did previously is a long way from being cerrtain that it was you.
is it really so hard for them to allow drivers to check that they have been identified correctly before paying a fine or spending a day attending a course?
> Maybe I read it wrong, but nowhere does he deny actually speeding. In fact he apologises for it. I'm suggesting this might be a 'bonus' learning and development opportunity.
Maybe I did previously is a long way from being cerrtain that it was you.
is it really so hard for them to allow drivers to check that they have been identified correctly before paying a fine or spending a day attending a course?
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In reply to Babika:
Wowsers. 87 mph on the motorway before points. They should have an exchange of ideas with the Inverness force...
Wowsers. 87 mph on the motorway before points. They should have an exchange of ideas with the Inverness force...
In reply to Donotello:
I've done a speed awareness course, and given it was 25+ years since I took my test, it was a very useful refresher (I don't think I've looked at the High Way Code very much since I did my test either, so even more useful). No big stick, and very supportive atmosphere on the course, and very mixed "audience" of attendees!
Things to bear in mind about doing the course:
1. You don't get the points, but you have to pay the course fee (which is "similar" amount to the fine)
2. When I did the course, it was stated that we didn't need to tell the motor insurance copmany, but this is changing.... see e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/aug/21/admiral-car-insurance-speed-a...
3. I can't find the reference for this, but I seem to recall reading something at the time that if I get another speeding camera ticket within 3 years of the course, there will be no chance of another offer of an awareness course, so you get to drive very carefully for 3 years after the course. I also remember meeting someone on the course I did that said it had been his second course (I didn't ask him how far apart they were time-wise).
I've done a speed awareness course, and given it was 25+ years since I took my test, it was a very useful refresher (I don't think I've looked at the High Way Code very much since I did my test either, so even more useful). No big stick, and very supportive atmosphere on the course, and very mixed "audience" of attendees!
Things to bear in mind about doing the course:
1. You don't get the points, but you have to pay the course fee (which is "similar" amount to the fine)
2. When I did the course, it was stated that we didn't need to tell the motor insurance copmany, but this is changing.... see e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/aug/21/admiral-car-insurance-speed-a...
3. I can't find the reference for this, but I seem to recall reading something at the time that if I get another speeding camera ticket within 3 years of the course, there will be no chance of another offer of an awareness course, so you get to drive very carefully for 3 years after the course. I also remember meeting someone on the course I did that said it had been his second course (I didn't ask him how far apart they were time-wise).
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In reply to wintertree: I think I read that differently, those are guidelines, just above for 30mph it says enforcement starts at 35, so they might not..... but they might.
Cheers
Toby
Cheers
Toby
In reply to Tomtom:
63 in a 50 (on gnatry). No sign of an incident but I take their point that's not the point! However, if these limits were taken off more promptly then maybe people would more inclined to observe them.
63 in a 50 (on gnatry). No sign of an incident but I take their point that's not the point! However, if these limits were taken off more promptly then maybe people would more inclined to observe them.
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In reply to Bulls Crack:
If a problem is reported by a member of the public then a police unit must attend and verify the problem has been cleared before they can reset the signs.
It's hardly an inconvenience to drive 20mph slower for a few minutes.
If people observed the limits they wouldn't get fined.
> 63 in a 50 (on gnatry). No sign of an incident but I take their point that's not the point! However, if these limits were taken off more promptly then maybe people would more inclined to observe them.
If a problem is reported by a member of the public then a police unit must attend and verify the problem has been cleared before they can reset the signs.
It's hardly an inconvenience to drive 20mph slower for a few minutes.
If people observed the limits they wouldn't get fined.
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In reply to Bulls Crack:
Thanks for the heads up, I'm usually one to continue at '70' even when gantry signs say 50. I best start behaving.
> 63 in a 50 (on gnatry). No sign of an incident but I take their point that's not the point! However, if these limits were taken off more promptly then maybe people would more inclined to observe them.
Thanks for the heads up, I'm usually one to continue at '70' even when gantry signs say 50. I best start behaving.
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In reply to DancingOnRock:
It certainly is not - and I've no problem with being done - but you do commonly see limits kept on for no obvious reason which will tend to engender indifference
It certainly is not - and I've no problem with being done - but you do commonly see limits kept on for no obvious reason which will tend to engender indifference
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In reply to Tomtom:
A lot of gantries (as you most certainly know) are camera-less, trick is knowing which ones
It's these sly little buggers you need to watch out for ...
https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm
A lot of gantries (as you most certainly know) are camera-less, trick is knowing which ones
It's these sly little buggers you need to watch out for ...
https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/hadecs-3.htm
In reply to Toby_W:
Correct, they are guidelines: they don't change the law. If they decide to prosecute you for doing 31mph in a 30 limit then you can't use the guidelines as part of your defence.
http://www.roadlawbarristers.co.uk/2016/08/speeding-what-is-the-10-plus-2-r...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-crack-down-speeders-who-6166737
A spokesman for the National Police Chiefs’ Council said: “If you are over the limit, you are breaking the law..."
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/speeding-fines/
> I think I read that differently, those are guidelines
Correct, they are guidelines: they don't change the law. If they decide to prosecute you for doing 31mph in a 30 limit then you can't use the guidelines as part of your defence.
http://www.roadlawbarristers.co.uk/2016/08/speeding-what-is-the-10-plus-2-r...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-crack-down-speeders-who-6166737
A spokesman for the National Police Chiefs’ Council said: “If you are over the limit, you are breaking the law..."
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/speeding-fines/
In reply to Bulls Crack:
In which case people need to be mindful of why they've been kept on.
Just becasue you as the driver cannot see an obvious reason doesn't mean there is no reason or has been no reason and the emphasis is on you as a driver to take extra care, especially if you can't see the reason that someone else has seen.
> It certainly is not - and I've no problem with being done - but you do commonly see limits kept on for no obvious reason which will tend to engender indifference
In which case people need to be mindful of why they've been kept on.
Just becasue you as the driver cannot see an obvious reason doesn't mean there is no reason or has been no reason and the emphasis is on you as a driver to take extra care, especially if you can't see the reason that someone else has seen.
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In reply to Tomtom:
Don't forget there are two different types of matrix signs.
The amber 'nodding' flashing signs. Which are advisory only.
And
The continuous speed limit style signs. Which are mandatory.
Don't forget there are two different types of matrix signs.
The amber 'nodding' flashing signs. Which are advisory only.
And
The continuous speed limit style signs. Which are mandatory.
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In reply to DancingOnRock:
> Don't forget there are two different types of matrix signs.
> The amber 'nodding' flashing signs. Which are advisory only.
>
Just to clarify : it is those that are enclosed within a red ring that are mandatory (as I learnt on my awareness course a few years back!)
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In reply to Lusk:
Really.How am I wrong?
I double checked and this seems to confirm what I was taught: http://www.drivingtesttips.biz/advisory-mandatory-speed-limit-signs.html
> A Highway Code refresher course might be in order as well!
Really.How am I wrong?
I double checked and this seems to confirm what I was taught: http://www.drivingtesttips.biz/advisory-mandatory-speed-limit-signs.html
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In reply to Postmanpat:
Relax PMP, I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, just highlighting the fact you were querying it.
Red triangles and circles should be etched on your soul
Relax PMP, I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, just highlighting the fact you were querying it.
Red triangles and circles should be etched on your soul
In reply to Donotello:
It might be sensible to do the course but for us on here it would be much more entertaining for you to get their evidence and then challenge the ticket (hopefully successfully) on a technicality
That's what Nic Freeman (think I've got the name right) does for celebs and footballers.
If you do then please keep the forum informed - thanks
It might be sensible to do the course but for us on here it would be much more entertaining for you to get their evidence and then challenge the ticket (hopefully successfully) on a technicality
That's what Nic Freeman (think I've got the name right) does for celebs and footballers.
If you do then please keep the forum informed - thanks
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In reply to Lusk:
Yes they are a bit sneaky.
> A lot of gantries (as you most certainly know) are camera-less, trick is knowing which ones
> It's these sly little buggers you need to watch out for ...
Yes they are a bit sneaky.
In reply to Postmanpat etc all:
What really pisses me off is that they put these mandatory limits on when the traffic density is far less than is necessary for them to be required.
Smart motorways my a**e, they're controlled by sadistic gnomes with no self esteem.
(I was going to put dwarves but then realised that "sadistic dwarves" is a heightist comment that could actually offend someone)
What really pisses me off is that they put these mandatory limits on when the traffic density is far less than is necessary for them to be required.
Smart motorways my a**e, they're controlled by sadistic gnomes with no self esteem.
(I was going to put dwarves but then realised that "sadistic dwarves" is a heightist comment that could actually offend someone)
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In reply to Lusk:
Phew
> Relax PMP, I wasn't suggesting you were wrong, just highlighting the fact you were querying it.
> Red triangles and circles should be etched on your soul
Phew
In reply to Donotello:
I would ask for photographic evidence as misreads do occur. I once received a speeding ticket in the post for doing 54mph in a 30mph zone in a town 40 miles away from the garage where my car was having a light bulb replaced on the same date and time of the offence. And I was with the car all the time. Fortunately I had a receipt with date and time from the garage. It also proved to be another vehicle, as the photograph showed. As another poster has said, check your B&Q receipt.
I would ask for photographic evidence as misreads do occur. I once received a speeding ticket in the post for doing 54mph in a 30mph zone in a town 40 miles away from the garage where my car was having a light bulb replaced on the same date and time of the offence. And I was with the car all the time. Fortunately I had a receipt with date and time from the garage. It also proved to be another vehicle, as the photograph showed. As another poster has said, check your B&Q receipt.
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In reply to DancingOnRock:
So, let me get this straight: The times I've seen an incident restriction and couldn't see an incident were because I wouldn't know it if I saw it and the police hadn't arrived yet? And they're' always taken off promptly after the police have investigated?
And I'm not arguing for non-observance here!
So, let me get this straight: The times I've seen an incident restriction and couldn't see an incident were because I wouldn't know it if I saw it and the police hadn't arrived yet? And they're' always taken off promptly after the police have investigated?
And I'm not arguing for non-observance here!
In reply to Bulls Crack:
There was a thread here a while back where a motorway policeman detailed the exact procedure that was employed. They don't turn them on for fun and they don't turn them off until incidents have been verified as fully clear.
They are accountable and signs are not left on for any longer than they are required by law.
The fact you didn't see anything looking like an incident doesn't mean there wasn't one.
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There was a thread here a while back where a motorway policeman detailed the exact procedure that was employed. They don't turn them on for fun and they don't turn them off until incidents have been verified as fully clear.
They are accountable and signs are not left on for any longer than they are required by law.
The fact you didn't see anything looking like an incident doesn't mean there wasn't one.
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In reply to Donotello:
I had a similar experience with my car (but wasn't driving it at the time). Got a speeding ticket through the post from a speed camera but they had not adjusted the time stamp for GMT/BST (I can't remember which was it was). I also (conveniently) got a parking ticket from a private car parking company at almost exactly the same time in a car park several miles away.
I did a bit of research on the Pepipoo fora and was advised to leave it until as late as possible, and then request photographic evidence. Once I had the evidence the 2 week (or whatever their time limit for re-issuing corrected tickets - which they can do if they have a mistake) had expired and I phoned them up explaining that the time on the photograph (which matched the speeding ticket) was wrong and I was not speeding at this location at this time. They dropped it there and then on the phone.
Maybe worth a shot?
I had a similar experience with my car (but wasn't driving it at the time). Got a speeding ticket through the post from a speed camera but they had not adjusted the time stamp for GMT/BST (I can't remember which was it was). I also (conveniently) got a parking ticket from a private car parking company at almost exactly the same time in a car park several miles away.
I did a bit of research on the Pepipoo fora and was advised to leave it until as late as possible, and then request photographic evidence. Once I had the evidence the 2 week (or whatever their time limit for re-issuing corrected tickets - which they can do if they have a mistake) had expired and I phoned them up explaining that the time on the photograph (which matched the speeding ticket) was wrong and I was not speeding at this location at this time. They dropped it there and then on the phone.
Maybe worth a shot?
In reply to Tomtom:
From the amount of times I have seen cars flashed on the M62 between Leeds and Huddersfield when no limit was on the gantry I would say they default to 70 and are always on.
Can't say for other motorways though.
> I hear the cameras are only on if there is a speed shown on the gantry? But have also heard different.
> Would be grateful if you could shed any light!
From the amount of times I have seen cars flashed on the M62 between Leeds and Huddersfield when no limit was on the gantry I would say they default to 70 and are always on.
Can't say for other motorways though.
In reply to Dax H:
I believe that the cameras were always off unless there was a lower limit but a couple of years ago some forces started putting the cameras on even at 70 - moneymaker.
I believe that the cameras were always off unless there was a lower limit but a couple of years ago some forces started putting the cameras on even at 70 - moneymaker.
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In reply to Roadrunner5:
Well, if you're going to take a selfie when you're speeding, and then send it to the authorities, you've only got yourself to blame when they send it back with a ticket........
> In Germany they just send you an almost perfect face on selfie of you speeding..
Well, if you're going to take a selfie when you're speeding, and then send it to the authorities, you've only got yourself to blame when they send it back with a ticket........
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In reply to Michael Hood:
People who break the law get penalised. Can't see a whole lot wrong with that, personally.
> I believe that the cameras were always off unless there was a lower limit but a couple of years ago some forces started putting the cameras on even at 70 - moneymaker.
People who break the law get penalised. Can't see a whole lot wrong with that, personally.
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