/ Is Blair on a secret EU mission to prevent Brexit ?

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Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017

Given that Tony Blair has recently been received , and had been in discussions at the highest levels within the EU, is it a coincidence that he has now changed his mind on the need for immigration controls and suggesting that Brexit is not necessary?

What is he really up to, is he putting feelers out on behalf of those within the EU to head off Brexit, and give the UK the concessions that the EU denied to Cameron ?

http://news.sky.com/story/tony-blairs-bid-to-stop-brexit-with-tougher-immigration-rules-hopeless-110...
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pasbury on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

I don't think it's been any secret that Blair is anti Brexit?
Doug on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

I think he's trying but not sure its really secret as it seems to be widely reported (see eg today's Observer)
Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to pasbury:

> I don't think it's been any secret that Blair is anti Brexit?

I never suggested that was the secret mission.
Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Doug:
You are missing the point , I am asking if he has been sent on a mission BY the EU, and if so, do they want the UK to ask them again about immigration controls, and this time they might say yes ( if we call off Brexit)
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RomTheBear on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

He's on a secret mission to persuade himself he is not irrelevant.
But he is.
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Doug on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

If I was the EU & trying such tactics, I'd be looking for someone a little more credible in the eyes of the British (English ?) public & media than Blair.
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rj_townsend on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Personally I don't understand why the media bother reporting the views of this lying, corrupt has-been anyway.
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Coel Hellier - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

> I am asking if he has been sent on a mission BY the EU, and if so, do they want the UK to ask them again about immigration controls, and this time they might say yes ( if we call off Brexit) ...

I think he's on a mission sent my himself to try to persuade the EU to offer something along those lines, and then persuade the UK to accept it.

The question is are the EU persuadable? They really wouldn't have to offer that much for everyone to think it might be the best option, but so far the EU are playing a hard-ball game of insisting on either full-membership or hard-Brexit with nothing in between.
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john arran - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Ooh, a conspiracy theory. I do like a good laugh.
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Coel Hellier - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to rj_townsend:

> Personally I don't understand why the media bother reporting the views of this lying, corrupt has-been anyway.

Because he won three general elections and is the most significant British politician since Thatcher?
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Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Doug:

> If I was the EU & trying such tactics, I'd be looking for someone a little more credible in the eyes of the British (English ?) public & media than Blair.

That's a good point, who else could they/ should they have sent ?
Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Coel Hellier:


> The question is are the EU persuadable? They really wouldn't have to offer that much for everyone to think it might be the best option, but so far the EU are playing a hard-ball game of insisting on either full-membership or hard-Brexit with nothing in between.

And that is why they can't ask the question themselves, they need a stalking horse( or donkey in this case )

Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to john arran:

> Ooh, a conspiracy theory. I do like a good laugh.

We aim to please ;)

Robert Durran - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Coel Hellier:

> Because he won three general elections and is the most significant British politician since Thatcher?

And if he were to save us from Brexit oblivion he would become the most significant British politician since Churchill.
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Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to RomTheBear:

> He's on a secret mission to persuade himself he is not irrelevant.

> But he is.

In that case the EU are being very indulgent of him ,as they are (presumably) inviting him to visit them to talk about what exactly ?
( and making sure there are cameras there to show him arriving to welcoming arms. )
Dave Garnett - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:
> You are missing the point , I am asking if he has been sent on a mission BY the EU, and if so, do they want the UK to ask them again about immigration controls, and this time they might say yes ( if we call off Brexit)

I'm not sure that what Blair is suggesting requires the EU's agreement anyway. If he's talking about pointing out that EU citizens don't have a permanent right to remain unless they have a job or the means to support themselves, we could do that now, as can any other EU member.

If he's suggesting preventing entry to EU citizen's on suspicion they have no job and might overstay (I think there's a 3 or 6 month period specified somewhere), that might be an issue, although it might not impossible since we're not in the Schengen area.
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jasonC abroad - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Doug:

Maybe he's been employed by UKIP and the Conservative party as a double bluff, it's well known he'll do anything for money.
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Dave Garnett - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to rj_townsend:

> Personally I don't understand why the media bother reporting the views of this lying, corrupt has-been anyway.

Blair made a catastrophic error of judgement but that was down to confirmation bias and vanity. That doesn't mean he is forever barred from being right about anything.

And even if you'd never vote for him again, if you think Blair is a corrupt politician you haven't been paying attention.
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pec on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Doug:

> If I was the EU & trying such tactics, I'd be looking for someone a little more credible in the eyes of the British (English ?) public & media than Blair. >

Since when was the EU in touch with British public opinion?
balmybaldwin - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

David Milliband?
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Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to jasonC abroad:

> Maybe he's been employed by UKIP and the Conservative party as a double bluff, it's well known he'll do anything for money.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the EU have offered Blair bucketfuls of dosh to get the UK to ask to rescind A50. ( whilst they pursue their you have done it now, it's too late now front.

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Stichtplate on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Dave Garnett:

>

> And even if you'd never vote for him again, if you think Blair is a corrupt politician you haven't been paying attention.

To say he is corrupt would be a matter of law. To say he is morally bankrupt would be a matter of fact.
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Jim C - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> David Milliband?

Although almost anyone would be better than Blair, DM is a very good candidate for the 'mission'
( Should he care to accept it )
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balmybaldwin - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

I thought so... well removed from the Government as well as the Current Labour party, but one of the few of the Blair/Brown years to walk away with any credibility with the public
Dax H - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

> I'm not ruling out the possibility that the EU have offered Blair bucketfuls of dosh to get the UK to ask to rescind A50. ( whilst they pursue their you have done it now, it's too late now front.

That would fit nice with my conspiracy theory on the power grab thread.
rj_townsend on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Dave Garnett:

> Blair made a catastrophic error of judgement but that was down to confirmation bias and vanity. That doesn't mean he is forever barred from being right about anything.

No, but it does mean he has no credibility whatsoever and his views need to be treated with extreme caution. His judgement hasn't improved (and is now irrelevant anyway), and his vanity is as rampant as ever.

I take your point on calling him corrupt. I'll settle for calling him a dangerous, misguided, dishonest, narcissistic fantasist instead.
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Dave the Rave on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Coel Hellier:

> Because he won three general elections and is the most significant British politician since Thatcher?

He possibly won three as Thatcher was so barbaric to the working class and Major a non entity. So, since Thatcher:-
Major- a none entity
Blair- voted in as he was nice to Tories and gave tax credits to the poor.
Brown- our true saviour
Cameron- The most significant as he has caused the Brexit problem.
May-
He is not the Messiah, he is a caricature of himself.
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andyfallsoff - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to rj_townsend:

Is there anyone alive who hasn't at some point made a catastrophic error of judgment?

Do you treat everyone's views with the same level of caution?
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FactorXXX - on 10 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Is Blair on a secret EU mission to prevent Brexit?

My name is Blair, Tony Blair and I have a Licence to Shill.
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Big Ger - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to andyfallsoff:
> Is there anyone alive who hasn't at some point made a catastrophic error of judgment?

a catastrophic error of judgment Andy?

Tony Blair is facing fresh accusations of a conflict of interest over his business affairs after it emerged he signed a controversial contract overseeing mining deals in Latin America. Mr Blair is being paid to advise the Colombian government on how it spends £2 billion earned from mining deals. The contract, obtained by The Telegraph, reveals that the Colombian government does not pay any fees for his services. Instead, the fees owed to Tony Blair Associates (TBA), Mr Blair’s consultancy firm, are paid for by an oil-rich Gulf state where Mr Blair has developed close links.
The deal raises questions over Mr Blair’s role as a Middle East peace envoy and whether he has used that position to befriend wealthy rulers in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), who are now funding his private consultancy work in Colombia, among other countries.


or...

It should come as no surprise that the Blairs have thrown themselves into the property market, since no dollar is too dirty for them. Blair did, after all, give paid public relations advice to a Kazakh dictator after the police shot 15 protestors dead.

or...

Blair hurried over to Cairo to see the new army leader, Abdel al-Sisi, and went on Egyptian television to give his support. ‘We can debate the past and it’s probably not very fruitful to do so, but right now I think it’s important the international community gets behind the leadership here.’ Previously Blair had given his backing to an earlier Egyptian dictator, Hosni Mubarak, and to the Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi (Guardian, 30 January 2014).

or...

Among numerous other clients is the ruler of Rwanda. Blair is ‘an uncritical friend and well-paid adviser to the likes of Paul Kagama of Rwanda, a violent authoritarian’ (Economist, 5 March).

Bliar is so bent he could give you change from a nine pound note, all in threes.
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GrahamD - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

If it wasn't so serious I'd find it quite funny that people think of "The EU" as a monolithic structure with the UK not part of it.

We ARE the EU along with all other member states
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john arran - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to GrahamD:

> If it wasn't so serious I'd find it quite funny that people think of "The EU" as a monolithic structure with the UK not part of it.

> We ARE the EU along with all other member states

It's like complaining of being stuck in terrible traffic ;-)
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summo on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Blair wants to be the next eu chief commissioner, he thinks if he convinced the UK to stay, the job will be a given, as a thank you present from the eu to him. All hail the saviour of Europe and the free world.
rj_townsend on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to andyfallsoff:

> Is there anyone alive who hasn't at some point made a catastrophic error of judgment?

> Do you treat everyone's views with the same level of caution?

If they've chosen to purchase the wrong car, affecting only themselves, then no.

When their dreadful judgement affects the safety and prosperity of tens of millions of people, destabilises an entire region of the world, and is based entirely on lies, then yes.
summo on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to rj_townsend:

> When their dreadful judgement affects the safety and prosperity of tens of millions of people, destabilises an entire region of the world, and is based entirely on lies, then yes.

Trump voters?
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Dave Garnett - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to summo:

> Trump voters?

I was thinking Brexit voters actually.
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cragtaff - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

He seems to have conveniently forgotten who open the immigration floodgates in the first place.
Robert Durran - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to cragtaff:

> He seems to have conveniently forgotten who open the immigration floodgates in the first place.

So what? Maybe he now feels that some curbs on immigration is a price worth paying to avoid Brexit.
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Tyler - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

This thread is an illustration of why Brexit will happen, there is no unifying voice or movement to coalesce the Remainer support. The only people you hear speaking out on the issue are Brexiters with simple sound bites or eminent economists or business people who are Remainers but aren't well known enough by the Brexit voters to matter. There's no one making the simple remainer arguments.
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andyjohnson0 - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:
> is he putting feelers out on behalf of those within the EU to head off Brexit [...] ?

Unlikely. Its probably just Blair trying to do the World Statesman act in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. The EU was part of the Quartet that employed Blair as their peace envoy in the middle east, and they know exactly how useless he was in that role. At the international level nobody trusts that guy to do anything anymore.

If you use google news to get an overview of French/German/Spanish/etc news you'll notice that there isn't really much discussion of Brexit any more. They've accepted it, moved on and nobody much cares now except us. And while the EU are keeping their cards close to their chest, its pretty clear that to some extent it'll be happy to see us go because the whole thing will just run more smoothly without our constant complaining and attention seeking. They don't want us, and the A50 negotiations are just something they have to get through.
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tony on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to cragtaff:

> He seems to have conveniently forgotten who open the immigration floodgates in the first place.

What, Margaret Thatcher, when she signed the Single European Act?
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neilh - on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to andyjohnson0:

Best tell that to the EU and the Hungarians and the Poles. Not sure the EU is happy with them at the moment.

Amd the Greeks for that matter, they probably are still haggling over loans.
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ian caton on 11 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Like it or not, Blair is Remoaner in chief.

As such, he just blinked.

In the interests of National reconciliation, more important than Brexit now, it is time for Brexiteers to do the same.
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Big Ger - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

I love Bliar, he does the Brexit cause so much good.
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Eric9Points - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Quite clever if it's more than just a conspiracy theory.

The negotiations are going to be a nightmare and in a year's time a lot of people will be having second thoughts about voting leave.

If the polls show that a clear majority of the British public would rather stay, the EU make the point that they are considering immigration controls thus making it easier for a lot of anti immigration leave voters to switch to remain and gives the Government a great excuse for a second referendum on the basis that the consequences of leaving are now clearer and one of the main reasons for voting leave has now changed.
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Eric9Points - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Stichtplate:

> To say he is corrupt would be a matter of law. To say he is morally bankrupt would be a matter of fact.

No he is not morally bankrupt at all, read his book.

They may or may not be your morals but he has them and lives by them all the same.
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Jim C - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to summo:

> Blair wants to be the next eu chief commissioner, he thinks if he convinced the UK to stay, the job will be a given, as a thank you present from the eu to him. All hail the saviour of Europe and the free world.

The question I am asking is is Blair doing this on behalf of the EU, as it seems inconceivable that he does not already know exactly how the EU hierarchy feel about allowing the UK to pull out of Brexit. ( assuming he can first persuade the government of course)

So, if Blair already knows they are against the UK staying, why even bother to try and persuade the UK to ask the EU to stay (A50 has been triggered it is no longer a unilateral decision)

The logical conclusions is Blair is not acting alone.
Stichtplate on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Eric9Points:
> No he is not morally bankrupt at all, read his book.

> They may or may not be your morals but he has them and lives by them all the same.

I'm sure he's got his good points, after all he's made friends with despots, dictators, warmongers and arms dealers the world over.
He's maintained his shining socialist credentials while managing to get filthy rich and still provide his many children with multi million pound property portfolios, all in the most tax efficient way of course.
Then there's his sterling performance as special Middle East peace envoy. All this and he had time to write a book too !

But what I find most amazing is the amount of time he's still been able to devote to stretching and exercising those morals of his in order to maintain their remarkable flexibility.
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Jim C - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Eric9Points:

As I said earlier, it is not only our decision, post A50, so we can have all the referendums saying we want to stay , but it would need the EU to agree to allow us to back out, and unless Blair knows something we don't ( and he may well do) at least they have not said anything that would indicate they they will, but Blair's intervention makes me suspicious that they are playing with two decks of cards.
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Jim C - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to ian caton:

> Like it or not, Blair is Remoaner in chief.

> As such, he just blinked.

> In the interests of National reconciliation, more important than Brexit now, it is time for Brexiteers to do the same.

Same answer as to others,m A50 has been served it is not a decision the 'Brexiteers' can make, it's up to the EU.
thomasadixon - on 12 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

> The logical conclusions is Blair is not acting alone.

Or he thinks it's the right thing to do and he's got pots of money so doesn't have to do anything else.
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Jim C - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to thomasadixon:

I'm not hearing many Remainers welcoming Blair's doing the right thing .
cragtaff - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to tony:

we remained outside Schengen, Blair opened the floodgates despite that, how short memories are!
cragtaff - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to Robert Durran:

so he can do a complete U-Turn and its OK, but if a tory has second thoughts its not, eh?


Lion Bakes on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to FactorXXX:

> Is Blair on a secret EU mission to prevent Brexit?

> My name is Blair, Tony Blair and I have a Licence to Shill.

My name is Blair, Tony Blair, and I have a license to Shit ...
Robert Durran - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to cragtaff:

> So he can do a complete U-Turn and its OK, but if a tory has second thoughts its not, eh?

Where did I say that? I'm all for anyone doing a U-turn if it's pragmatic and for the good.

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Eric9Points - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to Jim C:

Well that's my point. The EU probably do want us back in.

If they don't why are they pissed off with us for leaving?
Eric9Points - on 13 Sep 2017
In reply to Stichtplate:


> But what I find most amazing is the amount of time he's still been able to devote to stretching and exercising those morals of his in order to maintain their remarkable flexibility.

Care to be a bit more precise as I've no idea what you're on about.

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