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When you are being attacked, you can still avoid worst injuries if you lay on the ground and cover your head. Your backpack, if you have one, will provide additional cover. If you have a firearm, you will likely want to defend yourself, but I can't give advice on this - bears are big, sturdy animals and it takes more than a single bullet to incapacate them, unless you shoot at a vital organ. I think forum memebers more experienced in hutning can comment on this, but rememebr, if you merely wound the bear, it will just make it angrier and more aggressive (Source: talked with a guy working in a national park in Tatry several times and stupid tourists provoking bears are a regular occurence there).
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In reply to Prada:
Thanks, I'm always scared I come across a bear in the UK. Very helpful information.
Thanks, I'm always scared I come across a bear in the UK. Very helpful information.
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In reply to Clauso:
First sentence applies i think mate.
"You can still avoid worst injuries if you lay on the ground and cover your head."
First sentence applies i think mate.
"You can still avoid worst injuries if you lay on the ground and cover your head."
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In reply to Prada:
There is another way, as described in one of my favourite jokes, the punchline of which is: Bear, sated: "You're not here for the hunting are you?"
There is another way, as described in one of my favourite jokes, the punchline of which is: Bear, sated: "You're not here for the hunting are you?"
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In reply to Prada: Surely all you need is a bear-proof suit: http://www.improbable.com/news/2001/nov/troy-bear2.html
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In reply to All:
A more useful thread night be "Surviving a UKC attack" - How to react when everyone's taking the piss.
A more useful thread night be "Surviving a UKC attack" - How to react when everyone's taking the piss.
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In reply to her_t6:
Best thing to do is apologise and wipe it off
> Thanks, I'm always scared I come across a bear in the UK. Very helpful information.
Best thing to do is apologise and wipe it off
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In reply to broken spectre:
Lay on the ground and cover your head. Your backpack, if you have one, will provide additional cover. If you have a firearm, you will likely want to defend yourself, but I can't give advice on this - it takes more than a single bullet to incapacate them, unless you shoot at a vital organ. I think forum memebers more experienced can comment on this, but rememebr, if you merely wound them, it will just make them angrier and more aggressive
> A more useful thread night be "Surviving a UKC attack" - How to react when everyone's taking the piss.
Lay on the ground and cover your head. Your backpack, if you have one, will provide additional cover. If you have a firearm, you will likely want to defend yourself, but I can't give advice on this - it takes more than a single bullet to incapacate them, unless you shoot at a vital organ. I think forum memebers more experienced can comment on this, but rememebr, if you merely wound them, it will just make them angrier and more aggressive
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In reply to Prada:
I have watched 'Jungle book' many times and assure you they are not aggressive. They resemble a favourite uncle being slightly dim witted but nice.
They sing songs like 'Bear necessities' and some others I can't remember.
I think you should spend more time in the cinema researching your subject.
I have watched 'Jungle book' many times and assure you they are not aggressive. They resemble a favourite uncle being slightly dim witted but nice.
They sing songs like 'Bear necessities' and some others I can't remember.
I think you should spend more time in the cinema researching your subject.
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In reply to Prada:
I came across a little bare the other night. She was playful at first, but turned a bit funny after. Using your hand pistol and accidently misfiring in a little bare's eye seems to unsettle her.
In future I'll use the correct protection when looking to engage with a playful bare.
Be careful out there.
I came across a little bare the other night. She was playful at first, but turned a bit funny after. Using your hand pistol and accidently misfiring in a little bare's eye seems to unsettle her.
In future I'll use the correct protection when looking to engage with a playful bare.
Be careful out there.
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In reply to Gone for good:
Does this apply to Rom the Bear????
Quote from the OP: I think forum memebers more experienced in hutning can comment on this, but rememebr, if you merely wound the bear, it will just make it angrier and more aggressive
Yes, I think it might well apply to Rom...
Does this apply to Rom the Bear????
Quote from the OP: I think forum memebers more experienced in hutning can comment on this, but rememebr, if you merely wound the bear, it will just make it angrier and more aggressive
Yes, I think it might well apply to Rom...
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In reply to mrbird:
My long time friend and adventurer, Sydney Mombassa, visited Yosemite with a pal of his when he was 17. One morning while they were lying in their Force 10 a black bear stuck it's head in the tent door with the intention of joining them.
Sydney immediately started making plans to exit through the back of the tent. His friend on the other hand, a Glaswegian with a black belt in karate, battered the bear in the face. It turned and ran for it.
In fact this follows the advice given for bear attacks. If it's a black bear, fight back, they're small enough that you can fend them off if you're lucky. If it's a grizzly just play dead and hope it doesn't regard you as food because there's no way you're going to scare one of those big phuqers off.
Apparently in days gone by one of the camp sites there had a bog where the cubicles were divided by sheet steel walls with steel doors that had sprung loaded hinges that slammed shut after you. A common prank was to leave a scrap or two of bacon in one of the crappers late in the evening. Generally a bear would smell the food, walk into the bogs, push open the door of the cubicle to get the bacon only to find that the door had slammed shut behind it. Many a sleepy camper was surprised by having a pair of large paws appear over the top of the cubicle wall while they were having their morning dump.
> Unless you're Scottish and just square go the c*nt.
My long time friend and adventurer, Sydney Mombassa, visited Yosemite with a pal of his when he was 17. One morning while they were lying in their Force 10 a black bear stuck it's head in the tent door with the intention of joining them.
Sydney immediately started making plans to exit through the back of the tent. His friend on the other hand, a Glaswegian with a black belt in karate, battered the bear in the face. It turned and ran for it.
In fact this follows the advice given for bear attacks. If it's a black bear, fight back, they're small enough that you can fend them off if you're lucky. If it's a grizzly just play dead and hope it doesn't regard you as food because there's no way you're going to scare one of those big phuqers off.
Apparently in days gone by one of the camp sites there had a bog where the cubicles were divided by sheet steel walls with steel doors that had sprung loaded hinges that slammed shut after you. A common prank was to leave a scrap or two of bacon in one of the crappers late in the evening. Generally a bear would smell the food, walk into the bogs, push open the door of the cubicle to get the bacon only to find that the door had slammed shut behind it. Many a sleepy camper was surprised by having a pair of large paws appear over the top of the cubicle wall while they were having their morning dump.
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In reply to Prada:
One thing I have heard is not to climb a tree (the reason sounds like a joke, but proves that truth is often more amusing than fiction), because a black bear will come up after you and a brown bear will pull the tree down!
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One thing I have heard is not to climb a tree (the reason sounds like a joke, but proves that truth is often more amusing than fiction), because a black bear will come up after you and a brown bear will pull the tree down!
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In reply to Prada:
Serious reply (apparently). From Animal Confrontation section in The Pocket Doctor by Stephen Bezruchka, The Mountaineers.
"If the unspeakable has happened, and now results in the unthinkable, it is probably best not to struggle. People who have survived lion attacks state that the beast should be allowed to chew on an extremity in the hope that it will lose interest."
Presumably hoping it doesn't have a preference for offal.
Serious reply (apparently). From Animal Confrontation section in The Pocket Doctor by Stephen Bezruchka, The Mountaineers.
"If the unspeakable has happened, and now results in the unthinkable, it is probably best not to struggle. People who have survived lion attacks state that the beast should be allowed to chew on an extremity in the hope that it will lose interest."
Presumably hoping it doesn't have a preference for offal.
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In reply to Prada:
Or you could buy a can of bear spray when you're in bear country
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearspray.htm
Or you could buy a can of bear spray when you're in bear country
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearspray.htm
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In reply to Removed User:
This is often the misconception. I can assure you that a 300lb Black Bear is not something you can fend off if it is determined to eat you.
So the real, and often surprising to many, reason is that Black Bear attacks, although much rarer than Grizzly Bear attacks, are more likely to be predatory in nature so fighting back is the best defence because they don't expect prey to fight back. Grizzly bear attacks are more likely to be defensive (territorial, looking after cubs etc) and as a result, playing dead (if you can't back off) means that you stop presenting a threat.
So actually, regardless of whether its a Black Bear or a Grizzly, you need to recognise whether it is a predatory attack or a defensive one and act accordingly.
> In fact this follows the advice given for bear attacks. If it's a black bear, fight back, they're small enough that you can fend them off if you're lucky. If it's a grizzly just play dead and hope it doesn't regard you as food because there's no way you're going to scare one of those big phuqers off.
This is often the misconception. I can assure you that a 300lb Black Bear is not something you can fend off if it is determined to eat you.
So the real, and often surprising to many, reason is that Black Bear attacks, although much rarer than Grizzly Bear attacks, are more likely to be predatory in nature so fighting back is the best defence because they don't expect prey to fight back. Grizzly bear attacks are more likely to be defensive (territorial, looking after cubs etc) and as a result, playing dead (if you can't back off) means that you stop presenting a threat.
So actually, regardless of whether its a Black Bear or a Grizzly, you need to recognise whether it is a predatory attack or a defensive one and act accordingly.
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In reply to Boris\'s Johnson:
I'd imagine that if you meet a bear on Canal Street 'lie on the ground and cover your head' is not great advice.
> Do you frequent Canal Street often?
I'd imagine that if you meet a bear on Canal Street 'lie on the ground and cover your head' is not great advice.
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In reply to Prada:
I just make sure I'm wearing relatively lightweight shoes/boots when in bear country.
I might not be able to outrun the bear, but as long as I'm quicker than other people in my group who cares...
I just make sure I'm wearing relatively lightweight shoes/boots when in bear country.
I might not be able to outrun the bear, but as long as I'm quicker than other people in my group who cares...
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In reply to Prada:
The last time I was attacked by a bear, I grabbed it by the leg and throw it out the pram, simple.
The last time I was attacked by a bear, I grabbed it by the leg and throw it out the pram, simple.
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In reply to Prada:
Wish I could find Ice.Solo's account of fighting off a bear in the Japanese mountains but the internets seems to have eaten it. Weird we are all replying to a thread started by a spam bot!
Wish I could find Ice.Solo's account of fighting off a bear in the Japanese mountains but the internets seems to have eaten it. Weird we are all replying to a thread started by a spam bot!
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In reply to Removed User:
All right but I'm not sure I can tell the difference so I'll just stick to Stanage and Cheddar
> So actually, regardless of whether its a Black Bear or a Grizzly, you need to recognise whether it is a predatory attack or a defensive one and act accordingly.
All right but I'm not sure I can tell the difference so I'll just stick to Stanage and Cheddar
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In reply to profitofdoom:
I'd rather risk the bears
> All right but I'm not sure I can tell the difference so I'll just stick to Stanage and Cheddar
I'd rather risk the bears
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In reply to FactorXXX:
Or carry a small gun.
And shoot one of the other guys in the knee cap. You don't have to run at all then.
> I just make sure I'm wearing relatively lightweight shoes/boots when in bear country.
> I might not be able to outrun the bear, but as long as I'm quicker than other people in my group who cares...
Or carry a small gun.
And shoot one of the other guys in the knee cap. You don't have to run at all then.
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In reply to Removed User:
Alternatively, take the American approach and carry a .357 magnum loaded with bear ammunition:
youtube.com/watch?v=ucSJ3Hfuqjc&
> So actually, regardless of whether its a Black Bear or a Grizzly, you need to recognise whether it is a predatory attack or a defensive one and act accordingly.
Alternatively, take the American approach and carry a .357 magnum loaded with bear ammunition:
youtube.com/watch?v=ucSJ3Hfuqjc&
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In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Alternatively, follow the advice of the Alaska Granny and carry a .357 magnum loaded with special bear ammunition:
GILF Alert!
Alternatively, follow the advice of the Alaska Granny and carry a .357 magnum loaded with special bear ammunition:
GILF Alert!
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In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Experience and research has shown that bear spray is about 90% effective at driving off a bear attack, fire arms about 50-60%. And at least one hunter has shot his unfortunate companion, who was being attacked by a bear - which is a doubly bad day. It seems in the heat of the moment most people can't hit the bear / shoot it enough times to stop it.
Still bear attacks are extremely rare and just talking in a calm voice and backing off almost always enough. At least it was for the wife last month when she was out walking the dog.
> Alternatively, take the American approach and carry a .357 magnum loaded with bear ammunition:
Experience and research has shown that bear spray is about 90% effective at driving off a bear attack, fire arms about 50-60%. And at least one hunter has shot his unfortunate companion, who was being attacked by a bear - which is a doubly bad day. It seems in the heat of the moment most people can't hit the bear / shoot it enough times to stop it.
Still bear attacks are extremely rare and just talking in a calm voice and backing off almost always enough. At least it was for the wife last month when she was out walking the dog.
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In reply to Prada:
I avoid the worst Bear injuries by changing channels and allowing the beast to return to his 5 star hotel/cave.
I avoid the worst Bear injuries by changing channels and allowing the beast to return to his 5 star hotel/cave.
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In reply to George Ormerod:
Yeah, but that's because they didn't load up with the Alaska Granny's special anti-bear ammunition.
> Experience and research has shown that bear spray is about 90% effective at driving off a bear attack, fire arms about 50-60%.
Yeah, but that's because they didn't load up with the Alaska Granny's special anti-bear ammunition.
In reply to Prada:
When I was in the Rockies one of my friends was very fearful she was going to be attacked by a mountain lion. It's something I worry about continually when in remote lonely wilderness areas like Catbells... Do you have any advice on surviving a mountain lion attack?
When I was in the Rockies one of my friends was very fearful she was going to be attacked by a mountain lion. It's something I worry about continually when in remote lonely wilderness areas like Catbells... Do you have any advice on surviving a mountain lion attack?
In reply to lucozade:
While we all understand the humour, there are enough of you on here who have the urge to travel to N. America or remoter parts of Europe where it may be possible to encounter things that will eat you........and most on here are totally un-prepared for that event.
I have seen 15 bears this year. Most from the car but 5 on foot where knowing what to do has been worthwhile.
> When I was in the Rockies one of my friends was very fearful she was going to be attacked by a mountain lion. It's something I worry about continually when in remote lonely wilderness areas like Catbells... Do you have any advice on surviving a mountain lion attack?
While we all understand the humour, there are enough of you on here who have the urge to travel to N. America or remoter parts of Europe where it may be possible to encounter things that will eat you........and most on here are totally un-prepared for that event.
I have seen 15 bears this year. Most from the car but 5 on foot where knowing what to do has been worthwhile.
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In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Depends what you're after
> I'd imagine that if you meet a bear on Canal Street 'lie on the ground and cover your head' is not great advice.
Depends what you're after
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In reply to Removed User:
Funnily enough I've just come back from a part of Italy just a couple of hours away from the Dolomites where there are quite a lot of European bears that were reintroduced a few years back in the hope they'd breed and spread out across the Alps but instead they decided to breed and stay close to the towns and cities where food is far easier to get. I actually had a beer with a chap who was badly attacked last year by one close to his house! Most people wouldn't think of Italy as bear country but it was definitely worth knowing what to do if we stumbled upon one whilst out climbing!
Funnily enough I've just come back from a part of Italy just a couple of hours away from the Dolomites where there are quite a lot of European bears that were reintroduced a few years back in the hope they'd breed and spread out across the Alps but instead they decided to breed and stay close to the towns and cities where food is far easier to get. I actually had a beer with a chap who was badly attacked last year by one close to his house! Most people wouldn't think of Italy as bear country but it was definitely worth knowing what to do if we stumbled upon one whilst out climbing!
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In reply to Prada:
Bears might be a joking matter in the UK, but they are a real issue in the US. There are various myths involved (forget about bear bells and handguns), and ignorance of cooking and storing precautions is asking for trouble. Here is a talk by an expert: youtube.com/watch?v=PExlT-5VU-Y& .
Bears might be a joking matter in the UK, but they are a real issue in the US. There are various myths involved (forget about bear bells and handguns), and ignorance of cooking and storing precautions is asking for trouble. Here is a talk by an expert: youtube.com/watch?v=PExlT-5VU-Y& .
In reply to lucozade:
Yea, tell it that bear called it a pussy
> When I was in the Rockies one of my friends was very fearful she was going to be attacked by a mountain lion. It's something I worry about continually when in remote lonely wilderness areas like Catbells... Do you have any advice on surviving a mountain lion attack?
Yea, tell it that bear called it a pussy
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In reply to Prada:
How to tell what kind of bear is chasing you :
If you're running and running and you climb up a tree and the bear follows you, it's a black bear.
If you're running and running and you climb up a tree and the bear shakes you out of the tree, it's a brown bear.
If you're running and running and there are no trees, it's a polar bear.
How to tell what kind of bear is chasing you :
If you're running and running and you climb up a tree and the bear follows you, it's a black bear.
If you're running and running and you climb up a tree and the bear shakes you out of the tree, it's a brown bear.
If you're running and running and there are no trees, it's a polar bear.
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In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus:
If you're running and running but the bear is stuck to your shoe then it's a Poo bear.
> How to tell what kind of bear is chasing you :
> If you're running and running and you climb up a tree and the bear follows you, it's a black bear.
If you're running and running but the bear is stuck to your shoe then it's a Poo bear.
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