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spidermonkey09 - on 29 Nov 2017
What happened to these? I was after a set for a while and still am but can't seem to find them anywhere.

More widely, if anyone has a set which never get any use I'd be interested in taking them off your hands...
galpinos on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I think Mike Kann knows the full story but there was an issue with the tooling iirc so production was stopped. Rumour mill says they’ll be back out on the market in 2018.
Dell on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to galpinos:

They said that last year. A company taking this long to get a product issue sorted makes one wonder if there's 'trouble at mill'
beardy mike - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to Dell:

<coughs> companycheck.com </coughs>
mkean - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to beardy mike:

.Co.uk?
beardy mike - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to mkean:

Yes - sorry... hit financials...
jezb1 - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to beardy mike:

I'm no financial expert, but seems at bit sketchy?
Cash: £95.4k Net Worth: £-2,326,151 Assets: £948.8k Liabilities: £3.3M
gethin_allen on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to beardy mike:

Is this the real reason why the Revo belay device is delayed?
DenzelLN - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I emailed wild country about these and they said 2019 at the earliest.
DenzelLN - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to jezb1:

Take the figures off companycheck with a pinch of salt, my company figures are listed on there....wildly inaccurate.
jezb1 - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to DenzelLN:

Good to know
beardy mike - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to DenzelLN:

Yer but no but...
phil456 on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to DenzelLN:

Try companies house uk, the accounts need to comply with company law.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03151610
Ron Rees Davies - on 29 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

Ummmm... Last time I was in there V12 had some super light sets. I nearly bought them.

Could regret this post....
spidermonkey09 - on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

Fairly certain they would have been the superlight offsets? I'm talking about the original rocks.

Anyone have any for sale....These are pretty niche, someone must never place them...!
pass and peak - on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

Just before we start worrying to much about the financials of Wild Country, remember there owned by "Oberalp". haven't bothered looking at there financials, will leave that to someone else!
BTW I was also looking to replace my depleted Rocks, guess I'll just have to wait
galpinos on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

> Fairly certain they would have been the superlight offsets? I'm talking about the original rocks.

> Anyone have any for sale....These are pretty niche, someone must never place them...!

You may think they're niche but they are very popular. I was gutted to see mine fly past my belay and into see below Gogarth......
spidermonkey09 - on 30 Nov 2017
Fair dos- I don't see them on racks very often, possibly for the reasons described above!
davidbeynon on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

They are a bit niche but when you need one nothing else will do. A friend has a set, and they have saved our bacon on thinly protected slabby routes numerous times. I have been trying and failing to get some for ages.
jethro kiernan - on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I got mine from V12
I did see some in the windows of joes this morning????
GHawksworth on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I might ring them tomorrow as the shop I work at stocks the SL offsets but not the normal SL rocks.

I always thought that we stock one and not the other because the offsets are more diverse, maybe the guys at WC are thinking the same.
spidermonkey09 - on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to jethro kiernan:

Suspect they would have been the offsets- the originals aren't on their website, but maybe worth a call!
spidermonkey09 - on 30 Nov 2017
In reply to GHawksworth:

Let me know if you get any info!
GHawksworth on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

So, they've had delays with production but the guy from WC said they should be back around April/May next year but double checking with the development team. Production has been on hold due to development of the Revo. They know that they are very popular
The Ex-Engineer - on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

In case you (or anyone else) is that desperate in the short term, I do have a spare unused size 5, blue, sitting here.

Happy to sell for £10 which is basically the RRP plus postage.
Ciro - on 01 Dec 2017
spidermonkey09 - on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to Ciro:

Good find! 60 quid for a full set might be stretching it at this stage but worth an email!
GHawksworth on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

A full set of offsets are RRP £55...
The Ex-Engineer - on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I was about to suggest that Superlight sizes 4,5&6 are the most useful as DMM Brass Offsets tend to work equally well as the smaller three sizes.

However that is actually a silly suggestion in terms of cost as they are even more expensive and actually make the Superlights seem almost reasonably priced!

(Although I do also have a spare set of them sitting around as well that I haven't decided whether I want to keep or not...)
SenzuBean - on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I will start the bidding for my spare set at 1 million pounds. <pinky in mouth>
spidermonkey09 - on 01 Dec 2017
In reply to GHawksworth:

Bloody hell. Specialised gear and all that...I swear I bought a full set of dmm wires a few years back for 70 quid, what's that about 6.75 a wire?
Casa Alfredino - on 02 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

They are silver soldered which is damned expensive to do. Much more so than crimping an aluminium ferrule which you can do day in day out with good consitancy.
DenzelLN - on 03 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I ordered these and they promptly cancelled as they are not in stock despite what the website says!!
Kevster - on 03 Dec 2017
In reply to spidermonkey09:

I have a set of the offsets, they are great. Never used the straight ones, and not sure I can see an advantage as the off sets are still great for most narrow placements. Only disadvantage I can tell is for my second, as they can take some time to coax back out of the placement.
Why the straight ones? Please someone educate me.
fwiw I'm not sure ive ever seen the straight ones
Liam Ingram - on 03 Dec 2017
In reply to Kevster:
They only overlap in 2 sizes so not really comparable? I absolutely love the superlight rocks (straight ones, size 1-6) and once placed 8 of them on a single pitch. I think they are a bit shallower than the equivilent size of DMM brass offset so really do go in some places nothing else will.
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SenzuBean - on 04 Dec 2017
In reply to Kevster:

The superlight rocks have a single wire cable, silver soldered into the nut. They do a small silver, and a gold size that are not present in the superlight offset rocks. The rest of the superlight rocks are no better than the superlight offsets IMO (and are potentially worse - I don't use the rest).
So the gold and the silver little ones, have an offset side, and a 'half-normal nut' (really narrow 'rock curve') side. This half-width lets them act really well as 'keys' - where you put it into a horizontal slot, and rotate 90 degrees and it gets wedged in good (crucially it has a rectangular profile at this point - there is no left/right taper - this gives it really good stability). Normal offsets (the offset shape means that it can be difficult or not possible to find a good constriction in a horizontal crack) or normal don't have this ability exactly the same (to 'key' in a normal nut using a 90 degree turn requires a massive hole, and then a much smaller opening to the side, unlikely and potentially not as safe), and so can't be used in nearly-uniform horizontal cracks.

Secondly they have the ability to sit into normal small-gold and small-silver placements, as well as being used as small offsets. For this reason, and the unique 'keying' ability mentioned above - they are extremely useful as a second set of nuts.
TRip - on 04 Dec 2017
I've got a Superlight Rock 4 lying around in a box of gear.

It's been places a few times, but is in great nick. Cable still intact.

£10 posted to anyone who wants it.

Tom
Rick Graham on 12:16 Sat
In reply to TRip:

Thanks Tom, it arrived today.

I have now got two full sets of 1-6 and can now use the #4 without worrying if it gets damaged.

The #4 is often the best fit, "gold plated " for a reason I guess

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