In reply to GraMc:
The website states that the insert is the same size and thickness and same length, but I've seen press releases that state they're quite a bit stiffer.
The maestro ecos / normals seem a weird shoe for me. I bought them for trad and only downsized a little. They have a full length midsole, but feel soft. However, the rubber is thick and the midsole prevents any sense of sensitivity. This makes you always feel like you're slowly rolling off of holds in them. To add to this, unlike other flatter shoes they have lots of toe rubber, so the toebox does not conform to your foot and is actually surprisingly uncomfortable.
Not a great success, compared to some of Scarpa's other new shoes like the Arpia (which manages to be stiff enough AND supportive enough in an appropriate size).
