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Using Cloggy instead of Clogwyn Ddu'r Arddu is disrespectful and further erodes the indigenous name which eventually lead to its demise, as has happened so many times elsewhere. Failure to pronounce names in other languages should not be justification to anglicise and adopt new, more convenient place names. Does this happen elsewhere, alps, pyrenees etc ?? I doubt it.

1/10.

Font? The Ben? The Buckle? 

The Peaks

Harsh? 2/10

Surely "Cloggy" is more an endearing abbreviation versus anglicised? Yr Wyddfa is an endearing abbreviation too, I forget the original but it's akin to The Tumulus of Rhita Gawr. Not so catchy/marketable?

And Glyderau (as one example) certainly sounds more impressive than Pile of Stones, so the Welsh names won't disappear

It would have been better if you'd spelled it correctly. 

And capitalised proper nouns. Disrespect indeed!

Cham? The Dollies? The Gunks?

Indeed. All dreadful. I do, on occasion, find myself referring to Ben Nevis as "The Ben", but hate myself for it afterwards.

Also all horrible. 

"Cloggy" is ALWAYS said with love and affection so hardly disrespectful.

But then I don't think you are being serious.

Gash I, II or III is pretty vile.

Do you mean Cloggy just above Flamberis ?

Indeed. Though not as offensive as The 'Gorms.

I raise you 'the norries'

Allthough I would happily beat someone to death with their own limbs for using it  I'm not sure if its symbolic of the English colonial oppressors evil subjugation of Scotland

Font.

Not sure about that. "The Norries" is so comically awful that I think a lot of its use (except amongst the most unredeemably ignorant) is probably ironic. "The 'Gorms", on the other hand, smacks of aspirational smug knowingness, which is why I find it particularly offensive. More so than "The Coe", though that is certainly bad enough.

Agreed - how on earth can anyone call it anything except Bleau

As North Wales is basically a commuter suburb of and play area for Liverpool, there's barely anything in Liverpool that doesn't get abbreviated with a "y" on the end of it.  Go to the market in Ormy (Ormskirk), get chips from the chippy and so on.  In some ways surprised Snowdon doesn't get "Snowy", let alone Yr Wyddfa.

That offensive (and only partly accurate) enough?

If you don't agree, perhaps listen to some Half Man Half Biscuit and then you might...

I thought the Gorms were the indigenous people?

Ridiculous, see my picture entitled Cloggy Mon Amour to express my love and affection for my favourite crag which has given me more pleasure than any other in the UK

I have heard one person refer to the 'knees.' You will be glad to know that he is now composting in multiple undisclosed and correctly pronounced locations.

You've lost me on that one - only thing I can think of is Northern Corries - but surely not because that would make it an abomination rather than an inelegant abbreviation.

I'm very sorry to let you know that you are correct. The horror!

I trust that you kept him alive while amputating his limbs without anaesthetic before beating him to death with them. Slowly. 

I thought that the really smug cognoscenti referred to it cryptically simply as "the forest". 

Hey! There's only one Forest!

Precisely. Those boulderers are not only smug but utterly ignorant.

Stanage Edge.

Sorry. 

Oh for God's sake go and get a life. Cloggy is an afectionate way odf referring to a wonderful cliff.

Is that a contraction of Blaenau Ffestiniog?

Yes, right from the earliest days of climbing there in the 1920s.

I've never heard a climber calling it anything other than Font.

My French friends call it 'bleau or la Forêt

... which locals typically refer to simply as Blaenau. Almost never the full name.

Yes, I should have said English climbers.

Of course. I'm offended that you even had to ask.

Clogwyn Du'r Arddu if you please , according to the OS and UKC logbooks.

Agreed. Whoever says Cham or Dollies should be banned from ever going IMO.

You mean Clanberis?

I always preferred “that shithole” myself 

Would an actual Welsh speaker mix up “D” and  “Dd” - two different sounds?

Life’s too short to be saying clogwyn ddu’r arddu! Next you’ll be telling me that you don’t say llanfair pg 😅

Is it not just known as The Pass?

Llanfair PG is such good example. Also, I wonder how many people who insist we should say the whole of Clogwyn du'r Arddu can pronounce it correctly? Very roughly: 'Cloggwin dear arthe-ee'.

Then you are a  Brexit ignoramus who only knows what the English called it when finally they discovered Bleau. I remember taking Ken Wilson climbing there and his marveling how come we don't know about this. Stick with your Harrison's which I presume you do know something about and leave Bleau to the French who have been climbing there since the 1920s

Reckon you've called it right (and early too!) Lots of responses, but none from the gruffalo.

A lot to correct here. I haven't climbed at Harrison's for about 25 years. Nea Morin, who was a keen Harrison's explorer/developer in the 1930s had already been climbing at Fontainebleau and this was what encouraged her to climb at Harrison's in the 30s. I started climbing at Harrison's at the age of 16, in 1966/7. Certainly by the end of the 60s we were hearing a lot from other Harrison's climbers about Fontainebleau, who'd been there, and even then it was typically being abbreviated as 'Font'. BTW, I saw Nea Morin climbing quite a lot at Harrison's in the late 60s. One of her party pieces was soloing Isolated Buttress Climb. Finally, I am and always have been, since 2015, a Remainer, totally opposed to the anti-European Brexit project.

PS. I was a close friend of dear old Ken Wilson, and we even climbed briefly at Font together, en route to the Trento Film Festival in c.1974.

PS2. I think I remember some English climbers at that time referring to Fontainebleau as 'the Blow', but I think they were in a minority. Certainly by the mid-70s everyone on s/e sandstone was referring to it as Font.

PS3. Quite a few ignorant s/e sandstoners in the 70s actually talked about 'Font-en-blur', as if it ended in 'bleu', and not noticing the 'eau' and the 'aine' bit.

Unwarranted. You owe Gordon an apology, even if he was wrong. 

It was meant to be and slightly tongue in cheek as I know perfectly well Gordon is not a Brexiter.

Ah, OK.

And aren't Fontainebleau grades always referred to as Font grades?

My god, UKC forums are so uphill. So often it's like fighting one's way up a very steep, loose, dreary scree slope. To no great purpose. Scarcely worth the bother.

Yes, I'm sure so.

I suppose if we called them the Cairns you would think that was rather gormless!

Surely one of the nicest shortened names in the climbing world has to be the Gunks?

'Cloggy' was probably coined by some of the great early pioneers, like Longland and Kirkus, but it might even date back to the Abrahams.

And shouldn't we be calling them the Monadh Ruadh anyway?

Off to do a few routes in the Rooies?

Also in America, Joshua Tree is often called "Josh" and El Capitan in Yosemite is almost always El Cap.

No, when you are in 'The Pass' you pop down to 'Beris'

Or J-Tree, or just ´J’.  Remember J-rat?

Yes, I’m assuming you two know each other.  If not, I should introduce you!

Not Llan b?

To be honest, if I ever refer to The Pass, it's the Ballater one.

Chill out and come bouldering at Stan. 

Bleau on the continent,

CB

Don't you mean The 'age? Maybe you are not in the right clique.

Pfft, whatever. Anyone want to join me at Stanny Ps for a sick crush sesh on deliverance?

It just occurred to me that years ago I declined an invitation from friends in Cambridge to go to the Gogs. I thought the Gog Magogs weren't worth getting out of bed for, little did I realise that they were going to various sea cliffs on Anglesey. 

*Deli

Yes, the Gog Magog Hills must be strong contenders for the lamest set of named hills on the planet!

Eh? Deliverance is at Plantation, not Pop. It's too hot for grit this week anyway, I'm going to The P.

Oy, leave our hills alone, bully.

Correct... and Plantation begins with a P, no?

You are confused. Everyone knows that Plantation is known as The Plant.

Thank God. I thought I was alone in detesting it when people ( mainly kids) mix up the grading system with the venue.

Bollocks  they call it J Tree

Oh dear...I'll stick to Heppy

Goodness me, UKC has become so contrarian!

I have lived in America for twenty five years, and have visited J Tree probably about thirty times and climbed with numerous American climbers. A majority use the nickname "Josh" (about as frequently as British climbers use the name Cloggy for the Black Cliff) although J-Tree is also quite common.

Seeing this as a challenge, I grabbed a book at random - Rock Jocks, Wall Rats and Hang Dogs by John Long... and in one of his first mentions of J Tree he says: '"Josh", as the monument is known to climbers, is a flat arid sweep of high desert...'. Later in the book, John Long has another reference in which he says '... I was the first one to start soloing at Josh, and had, in fact, introduced Bachar to the art several years before'. Then I grabbed one of my guidebooks to rock climbing at J Tree and it says, in the Introduction: 'Trad climbing, though, is where Josh really shines!'

They're all pretty naff, do your toes curl when you say them

Don't worry. Having conquered their summit, which is at a lofty 74 m amsl (rising from surroundings that are are 20 m), I  am in no particular hurry to go back!

Just so. Nobody bothers to say which Plant, so the p in Stanny P clearly stands for Pop*.  (I have no idea what the p in The P stands for.)

* Ie: from the Plant along the crag towards the Burbs, and away from the Neb

What about calling Malham badpork?