In reply to Paz:
> How old do you have to be, as old as Sutty?
Well it's a matter of some debate among academics but I used the term myself recently and felt very self-concious, I asked my learned friend whether i was allowed to and he said "Yes, of course" but then he is a youngster of 28. In conclusion I'd say event s 20+ years ago can be judged as being 'back in the day' but I think more discussion is need on the topic before we can be certain of a definition which is acceptable to the majority.
> I feel wise beyond my years
Yeah and I feel that I look like Brad Pit but it don't make it so.
> That particular one by John Redhead being a dick,
If by being a dick you mean painting the mural then its status predates that by some margin.
> Anyway, I deliberately carefully phrase something, to the end of pointing out that I might be wrong, and imply that that sentence should be taken with a pinch of salt, you go and throw it back at me.
At the risk of this becomeing a petty semantical argument I fail to see how the sentence "The first I'd heard of Mclure's ascent was when he'd done it" implies that it should be taken with a pinch of salt or tht it has some dual meaning but then I'm no scholar.
> I'm perfectly aware that in-situ malham climbers might have known what bit of rock McLure was on for most of May, but I bet you I'm not the only one who didn't know that until he did it.
You won't have been the only one but nor would it have been only in situ Malahm climbers wh knew about this.
> People acknowledge LGPs before they're done, even give them names like Waining Moon and Yoghurt Arete. I can remember hearing about Bentley on the latter a year or so before it was done, but I reckon the first most people heard about Equilibrium was him on the cover of OTW in a Meteor under `Grit E10'. Everyone knew Ben was trying Northern lights after he did Hubble too, but like I say I think this was an exceptional case which we're now seeing more of.
So now you are conceeding that project have always been discussed prior to being climbed?
> That's the point, that this story isn't about X climbs Y, yet.
Talk about twisting things, you've just removed a significant part of my sentence to support your case, re-read what I wrote.
> I quite like hearing about it, but I'm surprised Dave's gone and announced he's on his project before he's done it as it's a bit unusual (for him at least - this is the first time he's done this isn't it?),
Well the clip is on the Posing Production website which has a video about DB coming out soon........
> though part of a recent trend.
All thats changed really is the media, before these things got around by word of mouth now its word of mouth plus the internet meaning that more people get to hear about these things more quickly but I don't think attitudes have changed particulalry, just that more of us have become privvy to the information, which as an avid reader of gossip and rumour, I welcome.
> I just also think that Mick prints everything.
Good, but then I have the ability to read something and decide for myself on its improtance/relevance. Before you pick up a news paper does your mother go through it and circle all the articles of interest to you. I never understand peoples attitude towards what is written in the news section of this site, everyone who uses this forum willingly reads about 100 times more irrelevant shite than even gets printed in the news section but seem to bitch about what get written in the news.