In reply to alicia:
> Yes, I clearly haven't given this any thought. You'll have to forgive me though, as I'm only a woman.
This is nothing to do with your gender and everything to do with what you wrote. I specifically brought up the South Sudan example because you can't actually go there as a tourist, only to work, and because it's an absolutely terrible place that makes Iran look like a pleasure garden. Nevertheless, you were insistent on visiting there being a signal that you support rape and starvation as weapons of war. I think that's quite a leap to make, and I'd think the argument was poor - or at least un-nuanced - whoever was making it.
> Alas, you only quoted part of my post. The part which you omitted, as well as at least one additional post of mine, pointed out that there is a difference between having a holiday somewhere and going there in an attempt to actually fix a problem. Let's not kid ourselves, going somewhere simply to go climbing is just having a holiday.
Fair enough. I did however go into some depth about this in my post, and the fact that there may not be such a big difference between going on holiday and working there as you may think. I'd put them on a spectrum rather than being two different categories.
> When you visit Iran as a male, you ARE receiving the benefit of the discrimination against women, whether you want that benefit or not. In rare cases this may be directly at a woman's expense--what if you do get into legal trouble while there? your word will be worth more in court than a woman's
Imagine you went on a yoga retreat to India. Dazed after all that bending in the heat, you drive your car into town and promptly run over one of the local untouchables. I am almost certain that as a wealthy white foreigner your word will be worth more in court than someone at the bottom of the caste heirarchy. (As I said before, by custom as much as by the letter of the law.) You'll benefit for sure. Does that mean you wouldn't go to India? Or that you feel that UKC should stop writing articles about climbing in India?
> --but more relevantly, in most cases the benefit will be more indirect, such as being able to enjoy your trip without having to balance the good parts of the trip against the curtailment of your rights. That in turn allows you to write articles such as the one here, which ignores the situation that women face and thus perpetuates the notion that all is reasonably well.
But no one is saying the situation is reasonably well. In fact, I've used words like abomination to describe many of the laws in Iran. The article I linked too mentioned getting lashed for drinking, amongst other horrendous laws. Yes, it was by a man, but the one I found on Iran by a woman mentioned no such thing.
I did however say that I thought the situation for women in Iran was better than in other countries, an opinion I've formed by reading, talking to people and actually visiting some of these places. Of course women have a harder time travelling in somewhere like Iran (women have a harder time getting safely home from nightclubs here) and yes, that is an advantage of being a man that I can't ignore. But nevertheless one which is not unique to this one particular country. It's almost implicit travelling to any poor country, and as I suggested above, it's an advantage that you will share too if you leave the developed world. Put it this way, if my better half went on holiday alone to Iran I'd be fairly sanguine. If she went to SA I'd be shitting myself.
>The thing with boycotts is that generally the people on the receiving end of the boycott aren't going to support it.
I'm fairly certain the anti-apartheid movement in SA supported sanctions of varying sorts. However I've never heard of Iranians saying the same thing. I may be wrong, of course. But your attitude does rather comes across as "the Europeans know best" and that those Middle Easterners should just accept that you know the right way to change their country.
> Instead, the goal, as I assume you know, is to force a beneficial/necessary change to happen more quickly than it would otherwise.
The problem seems to be that some Iranians would like to build links with the outside world and those Iranians also seem to be the ones that would like change to come to their country. Perhaps they believe this will make change happen quicker, or perhaps they just believe it will improve their quality of life in the short term. I'm not entirely sure it matters either way.