UKC

I think it would be a good idea to have a Moderator Amnesty so that we can help get the UKC Logbooks into slightly better shape.

Existing Moderators
If you moderate a crag but find yourself ignoring the update emails, or you have lost interest, then please could you remove yourself as moderator using the button at the base of the crag moderation page. Then reply to this thread with 'Crag Available', the name and link so that someone else can volunteer.

New Moderators
If you would like to moderate a crag, and feel you could do a better job than the current moderator, then reply to this thread with 'Crag Requested', the crag name and link so that we can arrange a switch if appropriate.

Thanks for everyone's help with UKC Logbook moderating. We are aware that this is sometimes a tiresome task and all your efforts are appreciated.

Alan

PS. My Crags. Before anyone posts on here, yes I am aware that I am moderator for 55 crags some of which have pending updates. I tend to make myself moderator to tidy them up when working on guidebooks but I am more than happy to let others take over so feel free to apply for any of my crags.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Now available for moderation:
Annot, southern France
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2039

Way too much recent development since I went in early 2000s, and I don't even have a guide!

In reply to Jon Read:

That's great Jon. Can you say if the crag is available in your reply, or badly moderated, or one you want to moderate.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Done.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Not Well Moderated.

Lord's Seat is a bit of a mess. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1557 It's a bit complicated with bouldering recorded differently in 3 different guides but I've got them all so I'm happy to try sort it out if Will is happy to hand it over?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Cracken Edge: Not well moderated. Details of only 3 climbs, no obvious activity. I live 800yards away so I'm the best person for this slice of heaven.

Oldpits Quarry: Not well moderated. There are two shown on the database. I volunteered to moderate one and then realised some other guy is moderating the other, but not well. There are more than 7 routes at the crag and this has been known since 2010 so I'll do this one too if that's OK.

In reply to Dave Musgrove:

Thanks Dave, now switched.

NOTE - I haven't time to contact moderators so if I look at crags and judge them to be a bit neglected and we have a willing volunteer then I will just do the switch. Sorry if this seems a bit impolite.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag not well moderated-

An Teallach-

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=714

Currently no moderator. Routes need adding, tidying up (ie multiple versions of the ridge traverse), and could do with the different buttress' and coires separating out properly.

In reply to Frank the Husky:

Thanks Martin.

Added you as moderator for Cracken.

Sorted Oldpits as well.

Please post a link as well, it saves me a lot of clicks.

Alan

In reply to Dave 88:


Then just apply please, no need to post on the thread for those.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I have been busy recently, but have and will be updating over next few weeks.

Baslow all up to date

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Available

Rhue Sea Cliffs
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=450

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag not well moderated.
Dentelles de Montmirail. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2064
Could do with a lot of tidying up.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Ridge Upper Moor Tor: No moderator. I've volunteered.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17820

Box Canyon: WTF? There's a picture of some guy soloing in SoCal but directions to someplace in Tintwistle. This is a non existent crag...probably been confused with John Henry Quarry by someone who finds it difficult to get dressed in the morning. Delete!
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2893

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag available. Point de Innominata, Mont Blanc Massif.
Not much needs doing and rarely visited.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=18303

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I don't have time to go around and 'de-moderate' myself from all of the crags i'm in charge of. But now that I don't live in the Peak i'd be more than happy to give up my crags to anyone who wants them.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Oh right, er I don't make it there anywhere near enough to moderate it, I live in north yorks. I'd be happy to do a bit of house keeping but won't I delete people's ascents if I try to amalgamate all the different versions of the traverse? Is there a moderation tutorial on here anywhere?

In reply to Dan Lane:

I can one-click de-moderate you from all of them Dan if you would like?

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I've stopped being a moderator for:

* Flodigarry, Skye: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1275
* Mount Kenya: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3809

Mehmet

In reply to jon:


Current moderator is active though.

Alan

In reply to Dave 88:


http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/help2.html

You don't need to live near a crag to moderate it, just know it well and have the most recent guidebooks.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Crag Available Etive Slabs
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=535

Crag Available Coire Laggan, Skye
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2630

Crag Available Shag's Point, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4188

Crag Available Wee Geo - Ryan's Wall, Guarsay Beag, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4186

Crag Available West Face of Shag's Point, Mingulay
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4184

Also, this crag ( http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=4183 ) should probably be deleted and the route moved to South Pillar of this crag: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4091

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I'm afraid I don't fall into either of those categories Al, I was just pointing out a crag that needed some work doing, as requested.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crags available

Ravens rock http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11329 and Ravens Rock quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11330, both near Strathpeffer. My contribution in the past two years has been to find my way to one of these (I think...) and be wholly unimpressed. It seems that nobody has climbed there since the first ascents (wisely) though the reported grade IV line might be interesting if it comes into condition, which it won't.

If anyone does want to moderate these, good luck.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Sounds like a good plan, Alan.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested: Brant Fell - current mod no longer seems to be active.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1449

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan,
I seem to be the only person to ever climb to the crags I moderate (obscure southern alps valley). I add the crags, I log the climb and then noone ever climbs them- with one notable exception by a strong team from Holland who have also been very active in Annot. At the time they emailed me the new route, but also emailed the local guidebook person.

If you're happy with that level of activity then it's all good. I often wonder if it is not just using space on your website for no gain?

I also wondered whether I should put it all under One valley: although it would mean hundreds of climbs (a bit like Ben nevis).

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:


Perhaps a little nudge then. There's something like a couple of hundred routes that need inserting into the already prepared buttresses and thirty something routes all called 'unknown' - which isn't a lot of use when we have no idea where they are.

In reply to Dave 88:


Sorry, yes I see what you mean now.

Alan

In reply to Dan Lane:

Okay, so that has been done. The following are now available if anyone wants them

Shining Clough Rocks, Laddow Rocks, Kinder Northern Edges, Crowden Great Quarry, Bareholme Crag, Brockholes Quarry, Deer Knowl, Blackshaw Quarry, Broadbottom Quarry, Coombes Edge, Wormstones, Kinder Bank Quarry Bowden Bridge, Wildboar Clough, Yellowslacks, Railway Bank (Water-Cum-Jolly), Shelf Benches, Black Tor

Alan

In reply to GPN:


Switched.

Alan

In reply to French Erick:


It isn't a problem.


I prefer areas being done like this. We will eventually have locations on Buttresses so it doesn't matter that the pins can be in the wrong place on large crags. Bigger crags are easier to manage in the long run. You will need help to combine them though since that isn't something a normal moderator ca do.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

hi alan

crag requested is Rock End, mod does'nt seem interested.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=908

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

One of the crags I moderate is Shaftoe in Northumberland. I'm sure there must be someone more local than me who could do a better job than I have, so I would be happy to pass it on if anyone volunteers (drop me an email), but I'll hang onto it in the meantime on the basis that my efforts are better than nothing.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Just signed up to Kinder North + Shining Clough

Curbar and Froggatt need a bit of tidying up..

In reply to mrdigitaljedi:



switched.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Thanks.

In reply to Alan James:

Alan

With all due respect to the current Dentelles moderator, the current logbooks for that area are in a fairly dire state - actually rather worse than Jon implies. Crags are duplicated, with the majority of routes listed in a single "Dentelles" crag, but (some) individual crags then listed separately as well.

In my opinion, it would be far better to have a separate Logbooks entry for each Dantelles crag - they are distinct venues afterall - and then remove the 'global' list.

If Jon was offering to sort this all out in his original post - and please correct me if I've got that wrong Jon! - then that is a huge task which would be extremely useful, and - being done by a local - I'm sure it would be much more accurate and comprehensive than could ever be achieved 'remotely'.

If I were you (or the current Moderator), I would bite Jon's hand off....

Neil

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:


Presumably the photo is of the Restaurant at the Rock End of the Universe!

In reply to Neil Foster:


Please stand corrected, Neil!

In reply to The Reaper:
Just added in a few new routes at Shining Clough and tidied it up a bit.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I sent you guys an email about this crag a while back:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=885

It's actually several different crags, all munged in to one. Needs to be split up.

This is an empty dupe of the above:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19192

Please remove it.

In reply to The Reaper:

Curbar and Froggatt are a real mess considering they're two of the most popular crags in the uk. Wish I had the time to take them over but am just too busy.
The guy who moderates them moderates another 200 odd crags so is probably a bit overburdened.

In reply to jon:


Oh well!

It was worth a try....

In reply to deacondeacon:

I could do Curbar

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I'll take Froggatt or Curbar or both...

In reply to mattrm:




As I mentioned above, we prefer to work with bigger crags if possible so I'll not split this up now since it appears to be well moderated. There may be a case for it but a well moderated big crag with buttress dividers is better than a lot of smaller crags.




Done

In reply to mark20:


Ok, I have added you. I need to have a look at that one actually since I have been doing a lot of boulder problem rationalisation at other crags to try and get standard names. But see what you can sort since it would be helpful to have some of the bouldering sorted there.

Alan

In reply to The Reaper:


And you now have Froggatt. Ditto regarding the boulder problem name rationalisation.

In reply to Neil Foster:

These crags probably need more major surgery which only one of us Rockfax team can do, and in this case that usually means me. I did dump all the RF France guide routes into the database matching names to try and remove duplicates. This is so that people using the Rockfax guides can type the routes in to tick them and they should appear. The problem is that the listings aren't in any order now, which is quite a mess for the big crags.

We did sort most of this out for the Costa Blanca crags which are all now pretty tidy. It is a big job though and one best performed when we are producing a book.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Lord's Seat now sorted.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I've been delaying further work on Stanage and Burbage until the next software update, which I thought was imminent.

In particular the request I'd desperately like to see implemented is the ability for a moderator to get an a full data extract, in something like a CSV file. Either the full crag, or just the updates.

The big problem is the quality of the updates. The only way to tell if there is any detail attached is to look in the record, and I'm afraid I find the web interface clunky. If I can extract it to a file, I can print it off and then use that list when I'm flicking through a guidebook ( or in the case of Stanage, multiple guides)

On other crags, the guide doesn't have an index, so it 's a lot easier to deal with updates if I can see at a glance what additional info (if any) has been supplied

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag now available: Cloggy. Ive kept it up to date but originally took it on after a brilliant first visit that made me want to return. ..but I still haven't managed it! Others know the crag far better and visit much more often than me. Hopefully a keen local will take it on.
Cheers

In reply to jon:




It looks like we have a volunteer

In reply to Frank the Husky:

I think i only volunteered to take Oldpits Quarry on so that i could approve the few existing routes that had been added and so i could add a few more that were on the "over the moors" tick list i created and I sorted the crag out at the same time. So whilst i didn't add the other 7 routes listed in your guide book to say it was not well moderated is untrue. Still happy for you to take it on given you know more about it than I ever will.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Have removed myself from "Hangstone Rocks" the crag is banned and i no longer live in the area.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8765

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Red Rocks is a mess.

Ideally it needs consolidating into 13 crags to match the sections in the Handren guidebook. I believe Pythonist was intending to do something along these lines, and I passed moderation of a few crags over to him several years ago for that reason, but he seems to have lost interest.

Happy to do it, or let somebody else do it, but my OCD is very unhappy with it staying as it is...

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Bit of a complicated one - I have taken myself off Galetas near the Verdon, but still moderator for Le Galetas, in the past both had been added as crags separately and I clicked to moderate Galetas before realising Le Galetas was also on there with more of the routes (and people's ticks) entered. There is one multi-pitch route in the Galetas entry which seems popular but is not at the single crag known as Le Galetas, it may be on the buttresses above the town of Moustiers but I don't know for sure!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Also worth noting - in the Ariege section is listed a crag called Larun's - "Note that this crag is actually called Hourat near Larun's in the Haute Pyrenees, several hours from the Ariege."

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Good idea, if someone has a burning urge to take on Kinder South and Downfall areas then I'll happily relinquish them. I only took them on as I thought they were too important to go unmoderated. They are pretty much sorted and just need the OTM additions adding. Happy to still do it if no takers.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Have tided up whats so far been added to Shelf Benches & Yellowslacks. (not a massive job mainly approving a few missing routes I added in the summer)

How can you change the crag details? the guide books listed for these crags are out of date for instance

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

While I'm at it - in the Ariege section "Roc de Piteille" should say "Roc de Piteil" and Niaux crag can now be deleted entirely as these crags are listed under their individual names - my errors, thank you! Also, Sibada, Laramade, Genat are all a bit neglected - not sure how much moderating Tez is doing these days - happy to take on any and all of these.

In reply to DerwentDiluted:

added a few routes to these in the summer and happy to take them on.

would be useful if Grindsbrook Rocks and Upper Tor could be merged with the southern area

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag available:

Sergeant in Valle del Orco, not even sure how I came to be moderating this, not that it isn't brilliant.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4114

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Have just tided up and added some missing info to some climbs as per the latest guide to Crowden Great Quarry, but happy for someone more local to take it on.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=928

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

"How can you change the crag details? the guide books listed for these crags are out of date for instance"

Now worked out how to change this

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Regarding Glen Nevis... all the crags at Polldubh have been grouped together in one entry in the logbook. I think this works well.

To tidy up further and make more user friendly I reckon that the crags:
Gorge Crag, Gorge Wall and River Walls should be grouped under the name Steall Gorge Crags.
Wave Buttress, Space Face, Blade Buttress, Galaxy Buttress and Meadow Walls should be grouped under the name Steall Meadows Crags.

I'd happily moderate them in this format.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crags Available - Papoose, Shannon Falls, The Squaw. All in and around Squamish, Canada.

I only have the selected guide so cannot check updates reliably.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

As already observed, Red Rocks is a complete mess

In reply to timjones:

No Tim, see my conversation with Neil Foster, yesterday...

In reply to Graeme Hammond:
Kinder downfall, Southern Edges, Grindsbrook rocks and Upper & Nether tors all available now.

In reply to DerwentDiluted:

ok thanks, will be sorted shortly...

Alan can you merge small amount of duplicate data from Grindsbrook Rocks, Upper Tor and Nether Tor into the Kinder Southern Edges before I begin sorting out that crag?

Can I make a request to everyone please....

When you refer to a crag, PLEASE include the clickable full URL link in the post (or email if you are sending one). It turns a job of about 10 mouse clicks into a single mouse click for me to make changes.

Thanks

Alan

In reply to Dave 88:

Happy to do An Teallach, will take a look this week.

In reply to Fultonius:

I can moderate Etive Slabs but its still showing as belonging to Fultonius.

Those Mongulay ones prob best off being amalgamated with others, don't know if a whole Mingulay crag is too much though.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I have removed myself from moderating Mt Coudon, Main Crag as I don't have the latest definitive guide.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Also from Baou de Quatre Ouro, same reason.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Alan, is there any chance you could do me a favour and amalgamate Dale's Camp (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=8239) into the Buttermilks (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1909).

Most of the other outlying areas at the Buttermilks (of which Dale's Camp is one of several) are included in the main Buttermilks section but Dale's Camp has a crag entry all of its own. At the moment, I have Dale's Camp problems which have been added to the Buttermilks section awaiting moderation and it has the potential to become a bit of a mess if I approve them with the current set-up.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested - Suidhe Biorach. The current moderator has completely ignored it and it is one of my favourite crags.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
I have moved to Italy so I will have to retire from moderating:
Pack Horse Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1410
Edmund's Castle http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2754

Chris

In reply to Liam Ingram:


Sorry forgot to add the link
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3202

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I was hoping this would be an opporchancity for Mick Ryan to hand in his stats tables....

Doh.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Gimme temporary access to Ratho Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12 as a lot of routes need sorting out. Andymoin can have it back afterwards.

In reply to crisp:
I'll look after Pack Horse Quarry, seem to end up here at least twice a decade

Looks all nicely up to date too.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Crag Requested: Wildcat crag

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=143

I am local and climb here a lot. Tend to visit the area all year round. and have plenty of time on my hands.

P.S I also have all guide books since derwent paperback

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

OK then. New crag name, followed by existing crags that should be merged/changed:

The Southern Outcrops & Mud Springs Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18554
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4223
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4224
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4225
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5868

Black Velvet Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4226
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3519
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4227

First Creek Canyon & Mount Wilson:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5859
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4228
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5863

Oak Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4229
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4230
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3467

Juniper Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5862
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2100
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4231
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4232
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4233

Pine Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3468
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4234

Icebox Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5861

Willow Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4235
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17190
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8250
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8249
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8251

White Rock Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4236
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5869

Calico Hills, First Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5860
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9706
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19855
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19074
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8245
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15930
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19799
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10938
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18712
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1946
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19852

Calico Hills, Second Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5856
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4237
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18706
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18707
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8753
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16623
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2452
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5867
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8246
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2034
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3518
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8248

Calico Hills, Sandstone Quarry:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5866
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2362
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16561
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11831
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11832
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11830
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2365
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2364
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2363
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8247

Calico Basin - Red Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10202
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17342
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18721
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5858
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10203
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10204

Calico Basin - Kraft Mountain:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16622
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18705

And you can just delete:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5871

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crags Requested

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=549
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1091
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2872
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1637

These are some of my local crags, which I know inside out and could do with a tidy up, if the current mods are willing to give them up. I have the current guides and I'd particularly like to moderate Slipstones; which desperately needs an update.

Please let me know

Regards,

Matt

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Available - I don't live anywhere near any more or have the up-to-date guidebooks.

Slape Scar http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1269

Scout Scar http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=770

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Thanks to everyone that mods a crag a great resource!

Thanks to everyone posting on here. I will sort these today when I get time. Just got to take the car for its MOT.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Another vote for Stanage. There are updates from 2 years ago that I have sent, which are still awaiting update. Basic stuff such as routes not being the latest published grade. I'm not volunteering but surely somenody can do a better job???

In reply to Mr. Lee:


Chris is doing fantastic job with Stanage, one of the best moderators that UKC is lucky to have. Chris is also working with us on improving the moderator system and, if he had all his wishes, then we would be much further forward since it is just the UKC development resources that are holding things back.

The reason there are unverified updates at Stanage is not because Chris is ignoring them, but because he is dealing with the whole crag and has numerous problems created by people uploading simple duplicates, and the multiple boulder problem names (a problem made worse by the Vertebrate and BMC guides choosing different names for problems when they really didn't need to).

So thanks for this, but Stanage is in very good hands and we don't want a change of moderator - please Chris!

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Ok, some examples then:

Update sent Nov 2011. Now S,4b in RF
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=10408

Update sent Nov 2011. Now VS,4c in RF
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=10271

These are hardly ambiguous update requests.

But I know what you mean about some of the bouldering eliminates & variations updates...

In reply to Tyler:

I'll happily take Sergent (and anything else in Orco)


Crags available:

Tunnel Mountain: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=7402
Heart Creek: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=7442

My guidebook for both is in Canada and I'm now living in the UK again so can't moderate.

On that note, everything around that area is in a right mess, especially the Alpine stuff. I have the alpine guides over here and happy to put some work in to it, but will need some 'crags' (i.e. huge areas!) deleting and their routes combining with other areas; mountains adding; etc etc.

In reply to jon: > Crag not well moderated.

I started to do a complete overhaul of the Dentelles but then my life got very complicated and I seem to emmigrated to NZ. However, now I have a house to live in and I have just got my main computer out of the container and I would like to finish what I started.
My plan was/is to set the Dentelle up as a number of separate crags.

Richard

In reply to Neil Foster:
Please see my reply to Jon. It was the state of the global list which led me to volunteer to sort it out.

I started by locating and setting up individual crags into which I intended to move the entries from the original single "crag". For example the Rocher du Grand Travers crag is complete.

Then my life got a bit complicated.

I am now in position to continue. I would like to finish the reorganisation and then hand it over to others to polish the grading. I am working from the current local topo book.

Richard



Richard

In reply to Mr. Lee:


One reason why moderators have been very reluctant to update grades is that doing so destroys all the voting information -- or at least it used to, I forget whether this has now been changed.

In reply to Laramadness:


Moved

Crag available

Craig yr Haul, Llanberis(ish)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4011

Sorry, not had time to check things. lovely little crag.

In reply to Laramadness:


Renamed and switched.

Alan

In reply to Graeme Hammond:

Now merged - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=260

In reply to Coel Hellier:

Yes, it got changed a while ago.

In reply to Drexciyan:


Switched.

Alan

In reply to Stuart S:


Done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1909

In reply to Liam Ingram:


Swicthed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3202

In reply to Fiend:


Done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12

In reply to Lukem6:



Switched.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag requested
I would happily take over Kettle Crag in Langdale. It's a crag in which I have a proprietary interest, and the route descriptions I submitted a year or two back haven't been approved.

In reply to victim of mathematics:

Okay, sorted those. New links below. Moderator switched.

The Southern Outcrops & Mud Springs Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18554

Black Velvet Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4226

First Creek Canyon & Mount Wilson:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4228

Oak Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3467

Juniper Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2100

Pine Creek Canyon:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3468

Willow Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8250

White Rock Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=4236

Calico Hills, First Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8245

Calico Hills, Second Pullout:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5856

Calico Hills, Sandstone Quarry:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=5866

Calico Basin - Red Springs:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10202

Calico Basin - Kraft Mountain:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16622

In reply to Climbster:


Now switched. The last three weren't that badly moderated so you may need to swap them back if the old moderator gets in touch.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Happy to keep doing

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1538

Not living in the area but still visit twice a year, although if anyone else wants to take it over thats fine also.

Any in Lancashire that need doing I can now do if youi need any

In reply to RichardMc:


Although we usually prefer to go the other way, I can see the sense for splitting these areas back up into separate areas since they do have different approaches and character. Let me know where the splits are and I can sort.

Alan

Tip for anyone wanting to sort a crag which is a complete mess.

Go to browser preferences and turn off 'Javascript'. Then reload the page and you will get the ordering number boxes instead of the drag and drop re-ordering. This makes major moves a bit easier.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Brilliant, thanks.

Will sort them all out over Christmas.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

That confused me. I was in the process of updating it and everything broke!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan,

I still haven't sorted out the RF-imports for Claret, Hortus and Russan (and Thaurac). I know you answered this before, but could you just clarify : When a RF-import is a duplicate of an existing route, which should I delete - the old or new RF route.

Eg:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=182651 'Imbroglio' existing 7c
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=282484 'Imboglio' RF 7c with obvious typo in the name.

Neither have logged ascents.

I intend to delete one of these, and rename the remaining route 'Imbroglio (Imboglio)' or similar so that RF users find the route in the drop-down list.

But should I delete 182651 or 282484? If the newer route ID 282484 is linked to the RF database then I should delete the old one - but I thought that you previously suggested deleting the newer route?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

OK, just sorted it out but its not displaying properly?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Incidentally, if anybody more local wants to take on any of these, they're welcome to. They're all in good order and I'm happy to carry on with them, but if anyone has a burning desire to take ownership then that's fine by me:

Pen-y-Cil
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=8875

Rock Garden Crags
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1961

Tarn Crag (Langdale)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1613

Beggar's Stile
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=2667

Or any of these in the Pfalz
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19437
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19420
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19421
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19435
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19438
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19426
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=14613
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19433
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19430
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=10556
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19425
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19427
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19419
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19429
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19431
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19439
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19422
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19424
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19436
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=19434
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=10563

In reply to Mr. Lee:

Since grades are supposed to be the ones from the definitive guides, do you know what these are given in the BMC book?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:


Indeed. I thought the point of this thread was to get crags sorted that aren't being looked after properly, rather than those which are?

In reply to RichardMc:





Thanks for the confirmation, Richard, and good luck with the de-merge work which will be really useful.

When you have finished that phase, I still suggest Jon would be a good person to approach for some feedback on Grades, missing routes etc, even if he doesn't want to formally take over the moderation.

Neil

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag requested - Pack Horse Quarry http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1410

In reply to TimB:


It isn't hugely important which you delete since we can link them up again, however deleting the older non-RF-linked route would make things easier. These ones usually have more data associated with them though so sometimes it is a shame. The Logbook ticks are, of course, transferred.

So where you have a choice, leave the newer version, unless it has a lot of data. Make the name agree with RF even if it has a typo since then the matching will be automatic.

Alan

In reply to Drexciyan:


Sorry, not sure what you mean. Force refresh may sort this out.

Alan

In reply to Toreador:


Well they had updates pending since July. Not bad but could be better. If someone wants to do a burst of moderating and then pass it back then that is fine.

Alan

In reply to craig h:


Switched. Nothing done on that crag since 2008, but nothing pending either.

Alan

In reply to Mr. Lee:

I think the only grades you can expect the crag pages to reflect are the those in the most recent definitive guide so I personally wouldn't expect rockfax grades to be used here if they differ.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
thankyou Alan work has begun already

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Excellent idea!


Crags Available:

Shakemantle Quarry: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1581

Haven’t been able to get there for a few years and it is now a bit more complicated as the upper tier seems to be much better bolted than it was, leading to people adding existing routes as sports grades rather than the old trad grades. I haven’t been able to confirm these one way or the other.

Castle Rock: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1133

Plump Hill Quarry: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/moderate.html?crag=1582

If no new moderators take them up, I would be happy to look after them again for a while but there may well be someone out there closer to them than I am.

Bruce.

In reply to CurlyStevo:


We will be switching everything to Rockfax grades when we do the full sync between the RF database and the Logbook database. We will also be bolting the grades down when we do this and moderators won't be able to change them after that.

Alan

In reply to BruceW:

Happy to Take either castle rock cleeve Hill or plump hill quarry if that helps?

Know them both well.

In reply to Mr. Lee:







In case you didn't see it, I did explain higher up the thread as to why I haven't done anything on Stanage and Burbage for a time

Actually your's are a great example:

I get an email saying there has been an update the request, but the email doesn't tell me the data, so its several clicks before I get to the update and another couple to look at the original record. Now yours is not an update I can immediately dismiss (some people think First Ascent is the date they first climbed it!), but it's not one I can immediately accept either.

I need to go and look up those routes in the BMC guide and if that's different to Rockfax I'll put in text that effect (you'll notice that Needle Crack is N route in the BMC guides - more fun). If the guides agree then I'll now update it, but remember for the first 6 or so years of this system updating a grade meant loss of voting data. That was certainly the case when you made your requests.

Basically these are popular crags, popular both with experienced climbers and newcomer, both to climbing and the logbook system. I still get a number of utterly stupid additions (why do people think a 3 star severe at Stanage Popular would be missing - you'd think they'd check they've got the name/crag right before adding it). A quick scan down the pending list tells me that there are a lot of updates to the wrong crag, which is a pain because there is no easy to transfer them (and I've submitted that as an NFR on countless occasions). But I suspect most of them are boulder problems (name like "5+","6b+") which may or may not already exist, but will be time-consuming with the current system to resolve.

As a software developer I prefer to help improve a system rather than moan about it. It has been a bit frustrating of late that my new feature requests haven't been implemented, but I understand the reason for this. The sheer volume of entries for Stanage and Burbage, and the multiple guidebooks, makes these crags harder to moderate than any other. Too much for one person - probably. But I'd like to hand them over in a clean state.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:



Yikes.

How do grades get changed then?

Certainly for LR, the ukc grades are more accurate than the rf grades. Isn't part of the point of having Moderators who know crags well to correct RF misprints/guesses and to update the database with the "latest" grades after hold breakage, rockfall and fixed gear modifications???

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:


I'm sure there will be loads of complaints, threats of moderator resignations, etc when this happens
The current guidelines say to use the latest definitive guide, which seems right to me. What's the reasoning for the change? Chris freely admits that he doesn't check every route, I'm sure he's not the only one. So incorrect RF grades will get perpetuated, even if a later definitive guide team checks the route and changes the grade.

In reply to TimB:

Agreed . The other issue is that it makes the logbooks less independant. If Rockfax won't put the latest grade information in then its time we all pushed for a new database elsewhere. I have no problem with Rockfax grades when the majority agree with them (rather than the definitive) but Rockfax grades like any guidebook grades can sometimes be plain wrong or even a typo. I hope Alan can think again about this.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

In most cases, you'd do better to update the rockfax grades based on the UKC ones.

In reply to Choss:

Excellent - hopefully they are in ok order at the moment for you if you want them both Few new routes to do (until something falls down at Plump Hill again)...

In reply to BruceW:


Said i'll happily Take one of them for now you Decide Which one?

Maybe Take Other Later.

I am good with either. Know them both well, done most of everything at either, except the low Traverse at castle rock, too pumpy for Little old me

Can get to either Occasionally to check new things out.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Crag requested.
Spion Kop - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=405

Not a single approved route on it - at least one submitted route was posted 18 months ago.

In reply to BruceW:

which would you Prefer i took off your Hands for now Bruce?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Shiraz and chinon at st nons are on two pages, a few of the Pembroke north coast crags are now available too, I no longer have the guides for them to do updates.

In reply to RichardMc:

That's good to hear, Richard! I'd imagine Grand Travers, Gigondas and Clapis would make the most sense...? Do you know the names of all the routes that are marked 'unknown'? There are also a few new routes and still more being equipped as we speak. When you get things in order, I can let you know where the new ones are slotted in and maybe the grades of some of them. Getting info out of the guy who's doing the equipping is like getting blood from a stone - his nickname is le Taciturne! Anyway, good luck with your project!

In reply to TimB:


I am not saying that we won't change the grades before we bolt them down, it is just that once we have the App functioning, we can't have grades changing willy-nilly since the App will uses data from the UKC Logbook Database as well and the routes need to be perfectly synced for it to work.

What we will do after that is periodic updates at crag level where we will take grade voting into account and change them in the App version (and our master version for future guidebooks), however this can only be done at a higher level of moderation using master documents which aren't accessible to moderators.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

What App would that be Alan?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Does this mean you'll be "bolting" down the bouldering grades as well - which grading system are you using ? And I presume you have adopted all the names from the BMC guides in the new Rockfax guide, otherwise someones in for a lot of fun....

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:




Poor show and wildly arrogant. Who knows the grade of a route better? A local moderator who's bi-partisan, when considering guidebook grades from Rockfax, BMC, CC, Ground Up, whoever. Who's climbed a given route 10 times, knows ten other people who've climbed the same route ten times and seen ten total strangers climb the route too?

Or the Rockfax author, who's maybe climbed the route a handful of times if you're lucky?

In reply to Chris the Tall:


The new Peak Bouldering guide should hopefully go a long way to sorting out boulder problem names and grades. We will be using system which takes account of both V and font grades and delivers both in the interface, with UK tech grades for the easier problems. How this eventually pans out with existing problems remains to be seen.

Don't worry on the names - I hope to have that sorted once and for all (wishful thinking maybe). Yes, we are mostly going with BMC names except for the occasions where the BMC appears to have gone off on its own, but this is isolated, mostly hard problems.

Alan

In reply to Tom Last:
I'll start another thread for this since I don't want this discussion to get in the way of this otherwise extremely useful thread.

New thread here with much more explanation about the changes proposed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=572672

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:


can you also mere http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2606 into the southern edges please? ( http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=940 )

In reply to maria85:

I started to moderate some of them just because nobody else did and I had a guidebook. I would be happy to let any of these go to someone with better local knowledge.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag requested:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15959

Happy to sort it out a bit and then hand it back.

In reply to Bolehillbilly:




Switched

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested - Steeple Cove
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1478

I know it's only a silly bit of esoterica with two routes, but it currently has two Lakes winter routes in it for some reason, and I would like to clean it up a bit. I also recently acquired a copy of the South Devon and Dartmoor guidebook and should put it to good use :P

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested: Warton Pinnacle Crag http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=469
Needs updating and buttresses dividing.

In reply to GPN:



Switched

In reply to Choss:

Don't mind. I'll hang on to Plump Hill then...

Cheers,

Bruce.

In reply to BruceW:

Ok Bruce.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crags available:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2679
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11418

If anyone wants to take them on… I took them in the summer as nobody was moderating either and there were ascents on there from that guy who got banned a while back for making up really hard ascents in remote locations, which I've deleted.
There is no current comprehensive guidebook, which is my main problem with getting them sorted properly - keep meaning to trawl through the old SMC guide and the SMC journals since then, make a list, and head out there to check… Haven't made it yet though and probably won't now until the winter storms abate! Would require bigger cojones than I have to go anywhere near the cliffs at the Butt just now… If anyone has a clearer idea of the state of play up there and wants to take these on, then please feel free, I mainly want to get them sorted as I think I have spied a nice new line but not sure if it really is new or not!
Isi

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

There is an old duplicate issue at Crookstones/Hellifield.

I moderate Hellifield and updated it from Yorkshire gritstone bouldering

Not really sure about the Crookstones site its been up longer but has less info..

If you merge it with Hellifield I will sort out the duplicates?

Pete

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Crag Available

Ponton De La Oliva

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2028

In reply to harold walmsley:

Ok, I'll have a closer look when I get chance and let you know if I can work on any that you have. Thanks!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested Creag nam Fitheach, Knapdale
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=578
Happy to moderate this as I live locally. For anyone else in the area we also post info on https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mid-Argyll-Climbers/201776306508015

In reply to John Dale:

John, I've e-mailed you about the next SMC guidebook to the area.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crags Requested:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3195
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3191
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3190

All with unchecked routes.

In reply to rlrs:

I could have the latter two.

Not got my Swiss guides here but pretty sure Azalee Beach and Traverse Stupid are on the wrong crag (are already on Azalee Beach) and Foxie is on Sector Crow,

Chris

In reply to Chris Craggs:

I'm happy to take the latter two, and I asked first! I've got the relevant guidebooks...your first two points are correct, but Foxie is in sector... Foxie (!).

The 5 "Gerstenegg Sector x" crags Azalée Beach, Donald Duck, Foxie, Dom and Crow might be better combined as one UKC crag, as in the Plaisir guidebook.

Richard

In reply to rlrs:


I have done that. It looks to me like those crags should be combined into a single entry though along with some others near by with a few routes only.

Shouldn't we just have one Gerstenegg crag?

Alan

In reply to rlrs:


Our replies crossed.

Now done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3190

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Yes, one Gerstenegg crag makes sense (see reply above to Chris), I'm happy to take it.

Richard

In reply to John Dale:




Now added although that one was free anyway so you can just claim crags like that using the link at the bottom.

Alan

In reply to rlrs:
Feel free - all yours!


Chris

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested please Alan

Bryn y Fan - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=13795

Needs updating and more importantly, correcting. Even the name of the crag is wrong. Correct name is: CRAIG Y FAN.

Thanks

Dave

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12417

The Gross Furkahorn. I could have sworn this was in better shape, but perhaps I'm wrong!

In reply to metal arms:



Happy to take these on Alan.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Slightly off topic I know, but why do some crags have a route count in the summary that doesn't match the tally of those listed?

In reply to Dave Williams:




Changed and moderator switched.

Alan

In reply to rlrs:




Switched.

In reply to Jonny2vests:


Most of these are available so you can just apply using the links at the base.

Cheers

In reply to AndrewW:


The Crag database dates from before the Logbook system. When we first created it there were no routes listed, just the basic crag data. One of these fields in this data was climbs' which means the number of routes at the crag. It is just a number that crag moderators can edit it.

We have left it in place and may use it for something more intelligent sometime - like an auto counter of the number of routes there are listed in the logbook system for example.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan.

When you type "castle rock" into the find crag function in the logbook section, the glos. Crag doesnt Appear in the Drop down List.

Can this be Sorted please?

In reply to Choss:

Which Castle Rock doesn't appear? I can see 11 'Castle Rock's and 4 'Castle Rocks'.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Sorry Alan, i put Glos shorthand in above post.

Castle Rock. Cleeve Hill. Gloucestershire.

Been amending it, but it doesnt come up on the find crag Dropdown menu.

Cheers.

In reply to Choss:


Hmmm... second on the list for me.

Are you seeing others?

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Got it. Thanks Alan.

Device was locking locking dropdown menu at bottom of list for some reason.

Techno/brain Interface Issue.

Cheers.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I can sort this one out if you like:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1384

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:



Thanks!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Not Well Moderated

not in correct order or buttresses.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=897

psul

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

'Crag Requested'

Crag Not Well Moderated

not in correct order or buttresses.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=897


Paul

In reply to Paul Hy:

crag requested - Split Rock (milton hill quarry)

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=129

Routes/grades are in pretty good shape but I want to go through and add descriptions, route lengths and FA details.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Available

Craig y Aderyn (Bird Rock)

no longer living in the area .. I'm now in the north east .... of England

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag available : Pule Hill Rocks

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=318

In reply to Allan Young:

I'd be happy to adopt Pule Hill, all the hard works been done by you anyway. Cheers for keeping it up to date. One of my favorite evening venues too.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=318

In reply to remus:



Now transferred

Alan

In reply to Ian McNeill:




Now removed.

For reference of others - you can remove yourself as moderator by clicking the 'Stop being a Moderator' button at the base of the crag moderation page.

Alan

In reply to craig h:



Now transferred.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag requested: The Brander

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=166

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
I've removed myself from moderating duties for Orihuela as a change in circumstances means I'll not be visiting the area as often as I thought in the future. So that is up for grabs..

Could I take over the chasms on the Isle of Man from Jimmy56 please? I don't know how to get a link to the crag as I'm on the wife's iPad and have no idea how to paste links etc.
Just worked it out, can take this over please:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9714

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Available:
Inbhirpollaidh Rock Gym
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10388

In reply to Nik Jennings:


Ok, switched that. It was in reasonably good shape mind.

Alan

In reply to Drexciyan:



Switched.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Thanks Alan. The information on there was in reasonable shape as you say but there are a fair number of routes and sectors missing from the listing.

In reply to andrewmcleod:




I have emailed the moderator for this crag, but haven't got a response - I don't think he is still active, any chance I could be added?

In reply to andrewmcleod:


Switched

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Sorry to add another one so late. Noticed that Pereille (Ariege) also could do with a sort out, and I'm happy to moderate this as I doubt anyone else goes there as much as I do! Note also this is nothing to do with Lavelanet and would be best named Pereille (some routes are in the Gorges de Pereille - bird restricted, would add as a buttress name) and there is a small crag in the village.
Cheers, Graham

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Ok so I have the following crags available to a new moderator:

- Margalef - ALL routes from the 2012 local guide have been added but due to the rapidly developing crags there are many more routes. You'd need a very up-to-date guide to moderate this.

- Vilanova de Prades-Camping - ALL rockfax routes have been added so you'd need to local guide to moderate it

- Gorges du Tarn - I've lost my guide so can't sort it out. Is quite a mess currently so may take some time!

Thanks,
Dan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Request:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2596
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2593
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2598
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597


Korouoma region in Finland seems to be a mess.


There are two regions called KOROUOMA in the bd. One of them needs to be removed. Also there is one crag called Korouoma http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976
Which lists all the different icefalls as simply one route.

So some sort of work needs to be done. Either add all icefalls as "buttresses" on the Korouoma -page and then have the individual (normal lines) as climbs there. Or go with the Area KOROUOMA and all individual icefalls are separate crags.

I can volenteer to sort these out.


Lastly there is an empty Korouoma, that can be removed:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19938

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

This crag should be deleted: http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3735 as it is a duplicate of Clach an Fhion (same location on map) which is a more accurate name (to OS maps) and is more up to date.

In reply to Laramadness:


I have switched the moderator. I have left the crag as named since that matches the RF guidebook.

Alan

In reply to HeMa:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597

Transferred all those to you. They were in a mess - not even marked on the maps!


Don't quite follow this but I have got rid of the duplicate areas and the repeated crag.

Thanks

Alan

In reply to Callum_Johnson:


Ok that has now been done - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11412

Cheers

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

It seems that the following pages were not handed over:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2598
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2596
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2597


Thank you, I'll sort out the entries.

Henkka

In reply to HeMa:
Whops, seems like the moderator was not refreshed (or I had it cashed). So now ok.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag duplication in database.
La Guignoterie #1 http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2145
Guignoterie #2 http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17797

My fault, couldn't find #1 in database map search. Crag description (especially location/department) in #2 are more accurate.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

More duplicates to be deleted:

Devils Barn - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=433
Northcott - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11122

In reply to Jon Read:


http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17797

Number 2 now the only version.

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:


I think I have done that. It is handy when quoting duplicates to quote both versions since it is quite hard to find the crag they are a duplicate of sometimes.

Cheers
Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Previously requested via email to logbook editor, probably missed in the Xmas rush : Please merge my below 3 crags as "Brig" with the sector A crag details.

Brig Sector A: Bitschji
Brig Sector B: Trämul
Brig Sector D: Guide

Richard.

In reply to rlrs:





Now done.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11445

Please post links for crags you wish to combine or delete. Thanks

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hello,

Could you kindly merge the following routes (source -> merge to)
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=103660 -> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=41517

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=103661 -> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=244927

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=103662 -> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=41491

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=291974 -> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=294961

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=294462 -> http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=294962

After this merge, the following crag can be removed
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9976

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Very happy to hand over the crags I'm down as moderator for in Morocco and Tenerife to anyone who wants them. I only took them on to add some routes when I went there on holiday.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

These crags all need combining:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9192
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2881
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2854

Correct spelling is 'Aiguille de Blaitière'. Some routes duplicated in the above links. Happy to moderate and sort out or otherwise.

In reply to Mr. Lee:

Now combined and renamed - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2881

Alan

In reply to Rachel Somerville:


Hi Rachel. You can just un-volunteer from these if you wish using the link at the base of the crag page.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan,
This crag (route) http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19512 needs merging into the Perrons http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9828

In reply to jon:


Hi Jon

Now moved and other crag deleted.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan, I have quite a few more crags to be deleted:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15739
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2160
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3380
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3381
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2161
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10168
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10169
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10170

These are all duplicates and included within Paklenica Gorge (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2103)


Kal-Koritnica (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10988) is a duplicate of Kal-Kortinicia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10681). The information is better for Kal-Kortinicia but the name is incorrect. It should be Kal-Koritnica.

Trenta (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10680) is a duplicate of Pri Plajerju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19735).

Pri Zvikarju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19734) is a duplicate of Pri Žvikarju (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10989).

Kamnik B (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16872) is included within Kamnik A (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16871). It should just be called Kamnik also.

Illinac (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8922) is a duplicate of Ilinac (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17851)


-Animal House (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3622)
-Baby Parking (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17304)
-Canneland (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2093)
-Cartoonia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18674)
-Castilandia (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19112)
-Chemical Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3621)
-Chinatown (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3620)
-Il Routino (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17305)

These are all included within Domusnovas Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1762)


Isili Area (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3627) is a duplicate of Isili (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1760)

I Tornanti/Aguaplano (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3156) is included within Tornanti (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19871) and Aguaplano (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19870).

Calamosca (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3728) is a duplicate of Cala Fighera (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3729)


-Chironico (Deliverance) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8591)
-Chironico (Doctor Med) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8593)
-Chironico (Freak Brothers) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8592)

These are all included within Chironico (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3879).

San Gottardo Boulders (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9129) is a duplicate of Gotthard Pass (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12210)

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Sorry for the length of message, an email might have been better!

thanks,
Dan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

just looking at crags in the lake district and noticed

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11470

looks to be a duplicate of this crag:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1851

(I AM NOT WANTING TO BE THE MODERATOR)

Minor niggle about Harmer's Wood. I posted a description and photo of a missing problem (doubtless not new). First it was added to the database in the wrong quarry, then moved, then deleted and replaced by something likely covering same problem but with no description or location. Confused. Reluctant to moan at voluntary effort (just been shifting a ton of correspondence over a race I help with as it goes) but what's there now is less useful

In reply to dannyboy83:

Phew, sorted those. Thanks for the detailed links.

Alan

In reply to Graeme Hammond:

Sorted.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Not Well Moderated

Southampton Uni Boulders, http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11337

Please can you delete the above crag, I created as a resource/experimenting to go with an indoor bouldering room, but its a waste of space. Please delete it.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Alquezar is the correct spelling. http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3892

alquesar is the same place so it could be merged with the above http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12250

In reply to Steve Crowe:

Sorry Alan, I have a collection of crags currently sitting in the north sea that could do with being deleted. The following 15 crags have nothing that needs to be transferred to other crags so I havn't put in the duplicate details.

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19801
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9138
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19803
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19802
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19864
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15859
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17173
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10101
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2884
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10052
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=11729
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19805
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2809
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17713
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19804

The next 6 crags have photos associated with them so I've included the duplicate crags.

- Collegats Sector Cine (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=18580) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15631
- Aiguille des Grands Montets (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2875) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9193
- Paroi des Toits (Sugiton) (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15921) is included within http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20024
- Balazuc (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1930) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2774
- Cala Spinosa (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8419) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9658
- El Cogullo (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2981) is a duplocate of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12101

Thanks,
Dan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Also in the Calanques, the routes at Port Miou (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19863) are included within http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17174

There are many routes that have been dumped here (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059) but I've now split up the Calanques into its different areas. This could do with being deleted but there are quite a few logs on here.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Available

Jetty Crag

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

This crag 'Lanti Bay' http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10134 is a duplicate of 'Lantic Bay' here http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10135

The former needs to be deleted.

Cheers.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Crag Requested:

Hi Alan, my name is Antonio I´m from Madrid and I would like, if possible, to give a hand to clean a bit the Pedriza Crag Map:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2661

And I think this one should be deleted:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=12122


I´ve been climbing in Pedriza for a while and I think that this crag map needs much more information to be added and corrected in it.

The problem with Pedriza is that is quite big, and the crags inside this National Park are quite far away from each other; ones can be reached in less than 30 mins walking from the car park and others would require more than 2 hours of steep walking, so I think it haves to be done a cleaning and organization of the climbs in order to make it a bit more easy to understand and use the information provided by this UKC map, so maybe more people can have an idea of how big this granite slab paradise is, and will encourage them to come to visit it, without getting lost in the process.

I think I know Pedriza well enough to be able to moderate this crag, also I know a lot of people who have been climbing there for years so I´ll be able to get well contrasted information about this park.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

Antonio.

In reply to Steve Crowe:

Now merged and routes sorted.

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:

Done all those. There still seems to be a mysterious island in the north sea with loads of good cragging - http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2898

They also all appear to be your crags. Is there something going wrong in the upload process?

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:


That is a bit of nightmare actually. If someone with knowledge can group them into buttresses, or unique UKC crags, then I can move them. As they stand it would be hours of work for me to split them all. I have changed the crag listing to try and stop it growing.

Alan

In reply to Tom Last:


Now sorted.

Alan

In reply to peteJ23:

Further to my post mid december

Crookstones http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=1564

needs to be merged with

Hellifield http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17125

so I can sort out duplicates

Pete

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Just noticed that all my logbook entries that were formally on the L'Abri Cotier crag page have been deleted during the merger/creation of the Morgiou crag page. Surely there wasn't the need to merge all these crags into one if it meant deleting everybody's log entries in the process?

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hi Alan,

I could sort arrange the climbs in the calanques into the different areas to make it easier for you.

And yes sorry about the mysterious island...hope nobody tries to paddle out there! Just helps me to remember which ones need to be deleted.

cheers

In reply to Mr. Lee:


That is surprising. Whenever we delete a crag it won't allow us to delete it without assigning a new crag to move the ticks to.

Are you 100% sure that these logbook ticks have been deleted?

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:


That would be handy.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:
Yes definitely. L'Abri Cotier was a separate crag until last time I looked, which was well moderated and perfectly adequate. Now it is part of this crag, which is more of a collection of crags:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20023

A lot of the routes probably had double figures for in the logbook as the crag is fairly popular. Some of the routes are also on this crag page so guessing it is related (logbook ticks also missing from these climbs):

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059

In reply to Mr. Lee:

Ok, this shouldn't be possible. We can look into it further but it would be better if you could give us a few routes which you are certain had logbook ticks before we did the latest crag combining, and which don't now.

Cheers

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

I am moderater of exmouth expect it is miss spelled.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16803

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Ok, all of these were previously in my logbook under the previous crag:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=297414
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=297412
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=297413
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=297419
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/c.php?i=297418

In reply to Mr. Lee:

Have you re-added those log ticks then?

We are looking into the back-ups to see where it might have gone wrong. Pin-pointing a date when these disappeared is difficult though.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Yes, I re-added this morning. I can't give the you original links as the crag no longer exists.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Is there a way to re-set votes on grades and stars?
eg When a grade changes from a V grade to a font grade, the graph shows no votes and users who had previously voted for V grades can't vote again on the grade because they 'have already voted'.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

OK so here's the next batch of duplicates to be deleted! The first set don't have any routes/photos to be transferred:

- Tre Frati (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9575)
- Bric Grigio (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15726)
- Easy Dalle (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19246)
- Erboristeria (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15826)
- Pizzo Cassandra (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16484&refresh=7723)
- Vallon du Passet (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20061)
- Summit ridge (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16793)

The following need routes moving to other crags:

- Telematica (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19036) should be deleted and routes moved to Castell Bianco, Albenga (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Terminal (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15868) should be deleted and routes also moved to
(http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Rocca Della Basura (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19037) should be deleted and routes also moved to (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Bausu (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19035) should be deleted and routes also moved to (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15869)
- Envers de Blatiere (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2898) should be deleted and routes moved to Envers des Aiguilles (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10511)
- Ginzling Zillertal By the Way (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10569) should be deleted and routes moved to Bergstation (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19394)
- Dent du Géant (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15467) should be deleted and routes moved to Dent du Geant (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15467)
- Hellerud - Trasopp (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10380) should be deleted and routes moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Hellerud - Flimplaneten (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10974) should be deleted and routes also moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Hellerud - Stalker (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10379) should be deleted and routes also moved to Hellerud Bouldering (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20071)
- Aiguille de Bionnassay (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=15453) should be deleted and routes moved to Aiguille du Bionnassay (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2372)
- Dome du Chapeau (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2046) should be deleted and routes moved to le Chapeau (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17570&refresh=2924)


Both Finale Ligure (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701) and Italy - Finale (http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=3394) have no routes but photos and not sure where these should go as finale is split into separate areas.

Also if you provide me with moderating powers of http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059 I can split these routes into the different areas of the Calanques.

thanks,
dan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Improvement request:

When a climb is deleted, and you are taken to the move ticks page, the drop down list of climbs is not sorted alphabetically. It would be a great help if they were, especially for big crags like the Squamish Chief.

In reply to Jonny2vests:


I can do that one quickly. There is a little option next to the menu which sorts it by 'Name' if you select that box.

Alan

In reply to mark20:

I'll add a function to convert a boulder problem from Font to V grades and visa versa.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Ahh, Ok.

In reply to Jonny2vests:
How about keeping it in crag order but make it look for the same name and have it auto-select that.

If it can't match one itself then it could fall back to show them alphabetically?

In reply to Jonny2vests:

Hi Jon,

That change is uploaded. If there are 2 climbs of the same name and you delete one that has ticks then it will auto-select the one for the ticks to be moved to. They have to be exactly the same name.

You can change the order of the list using the radio button to the right of the select list: Sort climbs - Left to Right or by Name

In reply to dannyboy83:

Hi Dan

Done those except the Finale ones. I would prefer Finale listed under one crag in the end and I suspect that is a better solution than trying to find the correct crag for each separate photo. We do have other single dump crags for photos but they tend to start picking up duplicate routes over time. If you give me a geographical list of the Finale Crags, I can move them buttress by buttress and then they should be in order.

I have made you moderator of the Calanques Orphan crag.

Thanks for this.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

The finale crags by the very logical order within the latest guide are as follows:

- Caprazoppa
- Rocce dell'ora
- Paretina di Finalborgo
- Rocca di Perti
- Placca delle casa valle
- Antonio
- Bric Scimarco
- Monte Sordo
- Paretina di pian marino
- Bric del frate
- Valle Aquila
- Bric Pianarella
- Bric Spaventaggi
- Monte Cucco
- Rian Cornei
- Val di Nava
- Bastionata di Boragni
- Rocca degli Uccelli
- La Crema
- Rocca di Corno
- Le Manie
- Capo Noli

If you put them all in http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9701, I can do the rest. I think thats well over 2000 routes so will surely make finale one of the largest crags on the database!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2059 is done!

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Hey Alan could you give Pedriza to Antonio / sikcby as he requested - I can vouch for him as knowing the area well, and there's a lot of work that could be done to show off this pretty special destination.

In reply to dannyboy83:


Is there a logical split?

ie. We have split Stanage into three sections to make it a little more manageable. There seem to be two distinct valleys plus a few crags nearer the town. Perhaps three areas?

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:


It sounds like you already have a lot on your plate dannyboy, but would you be willing to sort out the Oltrafinale crags too.....

.....please?!

Neil

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Tricky one! There are 22 crags at the moment (definitely too many) for Finale, which in the guidebook have been divided into 12 main areas. If the crags around the town are grouped together, that gives 10 areas, the largest having around 700 routes. This would be my preference since it is quite a large area, but obviously open to your thoughts.

dan

In reply to Neil Foster:

Hi Neil,

I'm slowly working my way round but yes I should be able to update the Oltrefinale crags soon!

In reply to dannyboy83:

I have moved the routes and photos and deleted that Calanques crag.

Alan

In reply to dannyboy83:


If the ten areas correspond to the local guidebook then we could do it that way. It works for the Calanques.

I assume all ten areas have different approach parking spots? There is some logic in having crags grouped by single parking spots in large complex areas (I am aware that this logic can't be applied everywhere).

Let me know the best combinations.

Alan

In reply to sikcby:



Hi Antonio. Thanks for your help, I have now transferred that crag to you.

Alan

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Thank you very much Alan, I´ll try to do my best.

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

This crag can be deleted:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2588

...and the climbs moved to this one:
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2873

Cheers

In reply to Alan James - Rockfax:

Dear Alan,

More work for you!

Crags to delete:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=19374
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20095
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9491

Crags to delete and move climbs:

- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2042 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=17514
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10193 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8256 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8273 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8274 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=9554 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20089
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10184
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10954 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=20094
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10740 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10199
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10908 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=10955
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=16713 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8162
- http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=2320 and move climbs to http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=8162

thanks