/ NEWS: Mystery Crag - Your Help Needed

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While foraging through some old climbing books the following photo and notes came to light with no real clue of their origin, or even a date. The descriptions of the climbs seem to be rather outdated, possibly 1950's or 1960's, and only the name of the author survives. He appears to have been A. (Adam?, Andy?) Phoenix. There is also some indication that he was a surveyor of some kind, maybe for oil or even water.

Photo here - http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.php?id=112214

The crag featured in the photograph appears to be in a arid but slightly grassy landscape and the redness of the rocks suggests it may be sandstone. There is no indication as to which country the crag is in but the routes were given UK grades.

The notes with the topo give the following information about the routes:
1. The Milky Way - Moderately Difficult (a way down)
2. Viking Wall - Extremely Severe (Mild)
3. The Pathfinder - Very Severe (Hard)
4. Victoria Groove - Severe (not high in this category)
5. Beagle Front - Hard Very Severe
6. Odyssey - Girdle Traverse - Exceptionally severe


Can anyone shed any light on where this crag may be and if the routes still exist under these names?
Gordon Stainforth 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

It doesn't really look like any sandstone in the UK, even Northumberland, does it? I feel if it were in Northumberland it would be identified very quickly. It also looks very wild, with no trace of paths or fences at the top or bottom. I suspect it's somewhere like Australia.
matthewtraver 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Orkney?
Mark Glaister - Assistant Editor Global Crag Moderator01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Route 1 is April
Route 2 is twit

Nice one

M
catt 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

It looks very grassy to me, as if it gets plenty of rain. And possibly granite?
Chris the Tall 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:
Looks out of this world.....
schloosh 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

I was there at the weekend, doing some bouldering.

took this pic:

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn14609/dn14609-1_800.jpg

took a while to drive home like.
jon 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Mark Glaister:

Being a cynical bastard, I tend to side with you Mark.
Hugh Cottam 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

You missed a route up the right arete - "Work, Rest and Play" (Lots of E numbers)
Chris F 01 Apr 2009
In reply to schloosh: Supersleuth!
fimm 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Now that's a good one - there were clues in the route names...
KeithW 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:

> I suspect it's somewhere like Australia.

You got that right.
tony 01 Apr 2009
In reply to KeithW (LMC):

Bet you can't get Vegemite quite so easily!
toad 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC: I'm suprised they got UK grades, the majority were put up by an american, John Carter, in the early 20th century. Impressive for nailed boots. D Thoris was his partner for most of them
schloosh 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Hugh Cottam:

Genius!
Jonny2vests 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Troll Wall?
rob sykes 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

were routes put up by the crag's very own ben moon?
Mark Warwicker 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:
Brilliant Alan! Thanks for cheering up a morning in the office when I'd much rather be outside. Although I might well struggle to get back from this crag before tea.

Mark.
Derbyshire Ben01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Very good. When I saw this picture last year I had the same idea and then forgot. You've obviously been sitting on it until today.. well done!
DrIan 01 Apr 2009
I think these routes may need down grading. At that location and altitude the the affect of gravity is quite a bit less and airs pretty thin so its going to be a lot easier to haul yourself up compared to somewhere like Stanage.

Though i suppose you have to counter that with the extra weight and hinderance of an appropriate 'expedition suit' to combat the thin air and cold etc.
JLS 01 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

The best of the bunch IMHO.

Ok, I admit it, it had me going until I read a few of the more obvious April Fool threads which gave me cause to reassess a few threads...
krikoman 02 Apr 2009
In reply to DrIan: It's a long walk in though
Grit Wraith 04 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC: Was that adjusted back to natural colour from NASAs 'natural color'. After all we all know there is grass on Mars!

At first I was trying to see sheep in the very top of the picture, they must be the Martian Bigfoot.
ericinbristol 04 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

The most entertaining one of the year - witty, well done. And quality follow on posts too...
BrainoverBrawn 05 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC: It looks like a crag fairly opposite Gruinard Island, n.West Scotland and considering the anthrax tests perhaps people stopped using it for a while and as it looks good I can confirm people do use it today.
Dave C 05 Apr 2009
In reply to jambojim: Oh goodness I do hope you are kidding around here! If not, did you read the rest of the thread?
BrainoverBrawn 05 Apr 2009
In reply to Dave C: Oh yeah, just looked at bigger photo. Bows out the door.
Will Hunt 20 Apr 2009
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Yeah yeah, I read National Geographic too. I have to admit that when I first saw the picture I looked for the lines.

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