In reply to Cragrat Rich:
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> I agree... Onsight my arse! May as well have a road map to the top
> And all that pissing about creating a boxing ring round a pile of padding...
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> When are these kids gonna man up and climb summert properly, within their grade!!, instead of foolin about makin 'big E' drama queen soundbites for potential sponsors?
If you think chalk invalidates an onsight ascent you are deluded. Most classic routes have chalk on them, are you seriously saying that any ascent of a chalked route must be regarded as a flash? Of course it doesn't. As for the next two sentences. Ryan was setting off on what others had thought to be E8. Yes he chose to highball it and padded it out but its still fairly dodgy and anyone would expect a bit of a tussle on a E8 without toproping it first. You say 'when are people gonna man up?' Most people would regard 5 bold E8 flashes/onsights as fairly manly. I'm so sorry that things haven't progressed to E10 flashes yet as this seems to be the level you expect.Must be the climbing wall culture! Soundbite for sponsors? All i heard was him saying it was a good route. I can assure you Ryan doesn't climb rocks in an attempt to attract potential sponsors and for someone who's climbed E9, flashed several E8's, bouldered font 8b and sport climbed 8c+ his sponsorship profile is fairly minimal. I'd suggest that your man Franco is more likely to do something to attract 'potential sponsors'. I don't think many companies would be dead against having Ryan on board being one the best climbers in the country.
"Personally speaking I think what Franco was attempting compared to this, is like comparing Man on Wire to a gypsy circus trapeze act!"
The first accurate thing you've said in this thread. I'd agree that some kid being reckless on a bold route so he could show UKC his video is certainly very different to a top climber in control and a supposed hard route.
Your welcome to post that you didn't find the video very exciting, he pissed it so it isn't. Its just a bit of nice footage for anyone who's interested. The rest of your spiel was just unnecessary and showed you as uninformed and as holding some very strange views. This will probably fall on deaf ears but maybe just think before you write next time.