In reply to AlanLittle:
> (In reply to Robert Durran)
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> The point I am making, which you appear to be wilfully ignoring, is that the parochial British definition of the "trad" / "sport" divide is not the only one.
But it is the only sensible one.
> US definition as I understand it (I have only climbed in the US once so there may be nuances I'm missing): bolts placed on the rope from above = "sport", no bolts = "trad", bolts placed on the lead without hanging on gear = also definitely "trad", bolts placed on the lead whilst hanging on gear as I assume Kammerlander did = dunno, "gray" area?
Defining whether a finished "product" is a sport or trad route depending on how it is "produced" is pretty silly when you think about it; two identical routes, one sport, the other trad. But then that's the USA for you!
An arbitrary distance between bolts when a route mysteriously morphs from sport to trad is also pretty daft.
> Swiss definition - the one that actually applies here = ???
Bolts seem so unquestioned in Switzerland, I suspect they may not have a definition.