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Monkeysee 28 Dec 2019

Is it just me or does your local wall go up a pound each week ??? 

£10 just to boulder !!!!  The world's gone mad 😧 

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David55 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

Hmm, now let me think. Rent,  business rates, insurance, heating and lighting, water costs, staff, holds and route setting, webcosts,  advertising, and  all the other costs like coffee machines , keeping the toilets working, cleaning. I  am  sure there  are more. If you  can run a bouldering  centre for less and make a profit (which is the reason they exist), please get to it.

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Oceanrower 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

I'm intrigued. Where is this wall that's only been open 10 weeks and used to charge a quid entry?

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NIGBEE 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

And you can probably only stay all day for that as well. Set up your own and do it cheaper, that will teach them a lesson they wont forget

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tom_in_edinburgh 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

> Is it just me or does your local wall go up a pound each week ??? 

> £10 just to boulder !!!!  The world's gone mad 😧 

So £8.33 for them + VAT for the government

Then rent for the building,  council tax, the interest payments on the loans that paid for the building to get fitted out.  They'd be lucky to have £4 to pay for the staff, insurance, electricity/gas, supplies, maintenance, new holds.  Half of what the employer pays out for staff is snaffled by government as employer and employee PAYE and corporation tax gets taken off any profit before the business owners get their share.

People are paying to climb or because they want a new phone or a cup of coffee and almost all the money they hand over goes to the taxman, landlords and bankers.  It is a complete piss-take which is forcing down the wages of everyone who does useful work.

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The Ex-Engineer 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

Count yourself lucky, one of my local walls is now £13.

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Dax H 28 Dec 2019
In reply to Monkeysee:

I feel your pain brother. 

I went to a clay pigeon shooting center today and it was £17 for the clays, I was speechless as I handed over my card to pay, the same amount of clays at my local club ground is only £11.

On the way home I reflected on this and decided it was actually good value, the club ground has 5 shooting stands, the commercial place has about 30, the club ground is run by volunteers, the commercial place has paid staff, the club ground is open from 1000 to 1400 every other Sunday, the commercial place is open every day during daylight hours. Finally the club shoot only covers its running costs, the commercial does that and needs to turn a profit. 

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forarainydave 15:07 Thu
In reply to Monkeysee:

There's a lot of justification here, and they're not wrong, but I do agree with OP.

It's not that I disagree with what others have said but I know if it was much more then I'd have to make a hard decision about how often I could go. Purely my own issue but not one I like being faced with when I'm doing what I enjoy I guess.

There is of course one dreaded course of action I could take ... climbing outside.

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PaulJepson 15:51 Thu
In reply to Monkeysee:

Paying as you go at climbing walls is always going to be the least economical way to do it. Membership and pre-pay options at least halve the cost, if you go enough. If you don't go enough to make the memberships worthwhile then they don't need to appeal to you anyway. 

Climbing walls are expensive to run and require a lot of re-investment (both in training staff up, expansion, rebuilds, buying new holds and volumes, sundries, etc.). What people often overlook is that they're a massive investment to set up initially and will be lucky if the break even in the first year. I'd wager a lot of walls aren't profitable until at least a couple of years after opening. If in 5 years the wall is worth a bit for the owners to sell then don't you think they've earned that?

To give you an idea of costs involved, it would be about £40k to mat a bouldering centre, and I know of a recently opened wall that spent upward of £250k on volumes and macros.   

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Adam Lincoln 09:21 Fri
In reply to Monkeysee:

Cheaper than the cinema and you can go all day. 

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chris_r 09:29 Fri
In reply to Adam Lincoln:

I wish I could boulder all day! Maybe I should ask for a discount for weaklings like myself who are pumped after 30mins.

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jkarran 09:32 Fri
In reply to David55:

> Hmm, now let me think. Rent,  business rates, insurance, heating and lighting, water costs, staff, holds and route setting, webcosts,  advertising, and  all the other costs like coffee machines , keeping the toilets working, cleaning. I  am  sure there  are more. If you  can run a bouldering  centre for less and make a profit (which is the reason they exist), please get to it.

I was thinking about this the other day, my local appears to have a pretty extraordinary turnover for the size of the business (site size, staff size, setup costs etc). I must be radically underestimating some of those costs, by at least an order of magnitude if they're struggling to turn a decent profit. Good for them, wish I'd had the gumption and balls to build it when there was an obvious gap in the market.

jk

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mark s 10:24 Fri
In reply to Monkeysee:

Awesome walls at stoke is 6 quid in the day.

Great value 

Where as another localish one is £11 

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PaulJepson 11:13 Fri
In reply to Monkeysee:

If you want to be cheeky, sign in first thing in the morning before work when it's off-peak then bugger off. Come back in the eve for your climb. At most centres when you sign in, you're signed in for the whole day.

It definitely violates fair usage but you obviously feel that the prices they're charging aren't fair either.  

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Jubjab 11:29 Fri
In reply to Monkeysee:

In a market economy the price is often not actually set, as many here seem to suggest, on the simple formula of costs + profit = price. I would wager to say that most places set the price based on the market. I.e. what do the competitors charge? How much does other regular gyms charge? A new place with fancy new walls will likely feel it can charge more than an old and run down place.

A bouldering gym's most costs will be fixed, i.e. they are the same regardless of the number of visitors, so the profitability of said gym will vary a lot depending on how popular it becomes. 

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pec 18:49 Fri
In reply to David55:

>  and  all the other costs like coffee machines

Surely the coffee machines pay for themselves, or do walls serve up free coffee these days?

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