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 Jim Fraser 31 Jul 2013
Implementations of the Search And Rescue Helicopter Service contracts, both GAP and MAIN, as I have been describing them, are well underway.

Bristow are now operating at Sumburgh and Stornoway with new Sikorsky S-92 aircraft with a more advanced SAR role equipment fit.

Someone please update us with any news of CHC at Lee and Portland.

Recruitment for the MAIN contract is well underway and interviews for military aircrew who have applied to Bristow under the Managed Transition arrangement are expected during the coming month (August).

The order for the 11 Agusta Westland AW189 helicopters for use at Inverness, Manston, St Athan, Prestwick and Lee, was signed by Bristow last week. Many in the south of England are desperate for civilian helicopter production at Yeovil to succeed so that the south can successfully wean itself off its fattening diet of military contracts without taking an economic dive.
http://www.agustawestland.com/news/bristow-group-sign-contract-11-aw189-hel...
http://helihub.com/2013/07/30/bristow-signs-contract-for-11-aw189-for-uk-sa...
This signing is an action that a properly-prepared bidder would have completed within a few days of being awarded the contract. Note the presence of a former Secretary of State for Defence. No show without punch.

As though that is not enough of a delay, the SAR prototype arrived in the UK on Monday and reached AW yesterday. The plan that I heard of some time ago was that it would be here in May or June. I had asked about this but there was no response from AW.
http://helihub.com/2013/07/31/aw189-arrives-in-uk-for-sar-certification/

Revision post to follow.


[Started in Winter Climbing simply to follow up on the previous thread which was there.]

Follow up thread here: /forums/t.php?t=631925
 Welsh Kate 31 Jul 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Thanks for keeping us informed about this.
OP Jim Fraser 01 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Gap Search and Rescue Helicopter Service
2011/S 135-225062

The total estimated value of the North and South options together is between 200 000 000 GBP and 235 000 000 GBP

DfT Written Statement, 8 February 2012:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/search-and-rescue-helicopters--4

Total final value of contract(s) Value: 158 433 543 GBP Excluding VAT
- Lot1 (North: Bristow) ... Value: 106 570 559 GBP Excluding VAT
- Lot2 (South: CHC) ... Value: 51 862 984 GBP Excluding VAT

Contract Award: February 2012.
End of 2007 contract: 30 July 2013.
Commencement of Gap contract: 1 June 2013.
Duration of Gap contract: up to 4 years (last MAIN contract Lot 1 transition-in: July 2017).

NORTH
(Bristow)
Sumburgh (2 x Sikorsky S-92) 1 June 2013 to 30 March 2017
Stornoway (2 x Sikorsky S-92) 1 July 2013 to 30 June 2017

Equipment on the new Sikorsky S-92: http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=484374&new=7223816#x7223816

SOUTH
(CHC)
Lee-on-Solent (2 x Agusta Wesltand AW139) 1 July 2013? to 30 March 2017
Portland (12 hr)(1 x Agusta Wesltand AW139) 1 July 2013? to 30 June 2017 (Service then discontinued.)
OP Jim Fraser 01 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

UK Search and Rescue Helicopter Services
2011/S 233-377518

- Lot 3: Estimated value excluding VAT: Range between: 2,000,000,000 and 3, 100,000,000 GBP

- Lot 3: Award value excluding VAT (Bristow Helicopters Ltd: 1, 600,000,000 GBP

Government Press Release
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-contract-to-deliver-faster-st...

Ministerial Written Statement to Parliament
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/search-and-rescue-helicopters--5

Contract Award: March 2013
Commencement: 1 April 2015
Duration: up to 11 years.

Inverness (replaces Lossiemouth), 3 x Agusta Westland AW189, 1April 2015
Humberside (replaces Leconfield), 2 x Sikorsky S-92, 1 April 2015
Caernarfon (replaces Valley), 2 x Sikorsky S-92, 1 July 2015
Manston (replaces Wattisham), 2 x Agusta Westland AW189, 1 July 2015
Boulmer - MOD service discontinued 30 Sept 2015
St Athan (replaces Chivenor), 2 x Agusta Westland AW189, 1 Oct 2015
Prestwick, 2 x Agusta Westland AW189, 1 Jan 2016
Newquay (replaces Culdrose), 2 x Sikorsky S-92, 1 Jan 2016
Sumburgh, 2 x Sikorsky S-92, 1 April 2017
Lee-on-Solent, 2 x Agusta Westland AW189, 1 April 2017
Portland - MCA service discontinued 30 June 2017
Stornoway, 3 x Sikorsky S-92, 1 July 2017

OP Jim Fraser 01 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Previous thread (Archived).
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=484374
OP Jim Fraser 10 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Military Search and Rescue
Monthly Statistics
June 2013

Defence Economics (Price Indices), MoD, Abbey Wood, Bristol.

http://www.dasa.mod.uk/applications/newWeb/www/index.php?page=48&thisco...

"Land, Coast and maritime callout numbers, continue to follow similar levels to the last month with 120 land, 32 coastal and 22 maritime related callouts during June 2013. As in previous months, callout numbers are most
pronounced for land based callouts."

These are the MoD-DASA numbers that I wrote about on the old thread. This reporting was criticised, along with the equivalent reporting by the MCA, for lack of clarity with regard to the overall UK SAR task, in a report in 2001, criticised again in a report in 2006, and unchanged today.

There were no callouts for helicopters in Cyprus or the Falklands, so for June we have clarity for the MoD numbers for the UK.

These June numbers are typical levels for the time of year, as the report illustrates in a bar graph for the last five years. High numbers for Land jobs and Gannet have been very busy again. However, let's not forget that these numbers do not tell the whole story and that in 2011 a Maritime job at Stornoway approached 1000 nautical miles in overall distance flown on a single job.

LAND - 120 - 69%

COASTAL - 32 - 18%

MARITIME - 22 - 13%

TOTAL - 174

Although these classifications are very practical ones, they do not reflect the statutory responsibilities of the police and coastguard where the dividing line is the High Water Mark. Because DASA is reporting statistics for the MoD, they are not interested in this aspect. They report requesting organisations but that is not the same thing.

POLICE - 69% to 87%

COASTGUARD - 13% to 31%

Of the 69% to 87% that is a Police responsibility, the most demanding is that small percentage that is mountain flying.
OP Jim Fraser 13 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The DfT have advertised the post of Aviation Technical Assurance Manager at Southampton. This appears to be the key co-ordinating role for the transition-in of the new SAR Helicopter Service.

The requirements include a suitable range of competencies and qualifications. I hope that a desk in Southampton is not expected to be the only workplace for this post. Getting a £1.6bn grasp of the stated "Big Picture" will require getting out on the ground and on the water.

At Grade 7, I believe this has the rank equivalent of NATO OF-5, which is Group Captain. At £41k starting level, it's obviously not Gp Capt wages.

 drunken monkey 13 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser: A tidy wedge for a retired Gp Captain however.
OP Jim Fraser 13 Aug 2013
In reply to drunken monkey:

Oooh. Maybe you've been in too long young man! Thought of new career in the MCA? Or, like me, is Southampton too near the equator?
 drunken monkey 13 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser: I'm out Jim - Saw the light and jumped ship last year. The ONLY thing I miss is KMRT.
OP Jim Fraser 13 Aug 2013
In reply to drunken monkey:
> (In reply to Jim Fraser) The ONLY thing I miss is KMRT.

I can see why you would.

OP Jim Fraser 14 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Bristow unveils AgustaWestland AW189 for oil and gas operators
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/news/newsbristow-unveils-agustawestland...

Here is the same AW prototype, in the colours of the Bristow O&G fleet, at Paris in June.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/AgustaWestland_AW1...

No specific news of the recent SAR prototype (No 6).
 drunken monkey 14 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser: Bye-Bye EC225. (For Bristows anyway)
OP Jim Fraser 14 Aug 2013
In reply to drunken monkey:
> (In reply to Jim Fraser) Bye-Bye EC225. (For Bristows anyway)

Lots of fuss about the EC225 and the timing of last years ditchings were not good for it w.r.t. the UK SAR contract (wasn't good for my wallet either). However, as far as I can tell, its the only aircraft in its class that nobody has ever died in.

AW101 and EC225 are the remaining options in the competition for the Norwegian All Weather Search And Rescue Helicopter (NAWSARH) project to provide new aircraft for 330 Skvn Luftforsvaret (RNoAF).

OP Jim Fraser 19 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

It has taken me a while to find the Contract Award notice. I have managed to find a copy, not on the OJEU website, but in Google's cache (and another site revealed in the notice text).

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MDZ_i1EGYKEJ:ted.europ...

As I waited for the announcement in March, I kept an eye on the OJEU site but never saw this notice at the time of award or during other searches since. It may be that there is an error in this notice nad it has been replaced by a correct one, However, I have not found a replacement notice on the OJEU website.


Information about offers
Number of offers received: 7
(The total possible offers were 9 being offers for Lots 1, 2 & 3 from each of BHL, Azimuth and CHC. Either one or two bidder did not bid for all Lots.)

Award criteria
The most economically advantageous tender in terms of
1. Technical Requirements. Weighting 45
2. Financial Requirements. Weighting 30
3. Commercial Requirements. Weighting 25

Total final value of contract Value: 1 600 497 465 GBP Excluding VAT



An online source for the notice is revealed in its text.
https://www.delta-esourcing.com/delta/viewNotice.html?noticeId=56226376
OP Jim Fraser 19 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

UK-London: search and rescue helicopters
2011/S 233-377518
Contract notice

Estimated value excluding VAT: Range between: 2 000 000 000 and 3 000 000 000 GBP
OP Jim Fraser 29 Aug 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

There is currently a single AW189 prototype in the UK and several in Italy.

The UK aircraft is I-PTFF and it is newly painted in Bristow standard fleet colours. It is believed to be in use for publicity and sales events, and type rating training.

AW have said it will be on show at Helitech in London next month. The exhibition part of Helitech is free to attend but registration only. If a bunch of you take along rucksacks, a stretcher and a video camera, that would be very helpful thank you.
OP Jim Fraser 03 Sep 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Things are a bit quiet on the AW189 front. AW are not very forthcoming with information and publicity material and there are few fanfares about how well it's all going.

In spite of several press reports about an expected SAR prototype, no such aircraft has been seen. Plane-spotters, like other types of nerds, are amongst the most useful characters on the internet and they have failed to spot the a sixth aircraft.

Reports are still suggesting oil & gas version certification before the end of 2013. If there are none of those operational by February then it will be time to start worrying about the programme.
OP Jim Fraser 19 Sep 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Here is a link to the PDF file of the 2013/2 issue of the in-house magazine Bristow World. The headline article focuses on the UK SAR contracts.

http://bristowgroup.com/_assets/filer/2013/09/04/bristowworld-25-lowres.pdf

You will see that on page 8 the aircraft layouts are displayed. Remember that the DfT requirement for Lot 1 (S-92) is 8 survivors, 2 of whom are on stretchers, and for Lot 2 (AW189) is 4 survivors, 2 of whom are on stretchers. The Standard MRT Load is defined as 6 team members, each with a rucksack, plus extra gear bags.

In these illustrations, we can see that the AW189 is configured to meet the higher spec and the S-92 is configured to exceed the spec by a significant margin. Also note that the rear-crew seating in the AW189 is shown at the rear of the cabin.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Based on an AW press release, the maiden flight of first production AW189 is reported in 'Vertical'. Two further aircraft already being assembled. UK SAR versions are due to be assembled at Yeovil where the production line is currently being built.

http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/25468#.UlbbbllF3SZ
OP Jim Fraser 10 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Here is a recent video about the AW189 from youtube.

youtube.com/watch?v=g4Z84ovY3OA&


[ERA is a major player in the aircraft leasing market. Some of you may remember that they featured in the bidding competition for the MAIN contract as part of the Osprey Consortium (Babcock Aerospace Ltd, ERA Helicopters & British International Helicopters Ltd).]
OP Jim Fraser 10 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

And another one.

youtube.com/watch?v=Y6AMMvDkBFs&

Note that neither party in this clip seems to understand that 70% of the task is Land SAR and 189s from Inverness, Prestwick and probably St Athan will do a very large proportion of the mountain work.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Here is a Polish video (half-way down page) of an AW149, the military variant from which the 189 evolved, performing its party tricks of high sideways and rearward speeds at PZL-Świdnik S.A.. These are the characteristics that enable the 189 to easily exceed the DfT requirements for performance in tail and cross winds.

http://www.rmf24.pl/fakty/polska/news-smiglowiec-aw-149-walczy-o-kontrakt-z...
 Steve Perry 10 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> (In reply to Jim Fraser)
>
> Here is a Polish video (half-way down page) of an AW149,

It looks really impressive.

OP Jim Fraser 13 Oct 2013
the old thread, I posted in March as follows.

> Air-Ground Collaboration is the congress main theme at IKAR 2013 at Bol, Brac, in Croatia, this October. I am hoping that the member organisations from the UK jurisdictions will be fully participating in that congress along with their new aeronautical partner Bristow.

Unfortunately, there are no signs of this happening. It's not clear what is happening with MREW but the MRCofS is again sending three of our own MR guys to IKAR for the Terrestrial, Avalanche and Air commissions. I believe someone is attending the Dog Handler Meeting as well. There is a no special effort to take advantage of the Congress main theme of Terrestrial and Air working together and none of our aeronautical partners are going along.

However, this is still a great opportunity to measure what we do against international norms, to learn new stuff and to participate in new international initiatives. Other territories using new helicopters and new providers may give us a fresh outlook on the future UK provision.

Iain Cornfoot from Cairngorm MRT is attending the Air Commission. Iain knows what a teetering or flap hinge does, so he speaks the language.


Clearly, it's dirty work, ...
youtube.com/watch?v=wd-PZA-WD9w&
http://www.hotelelaphusabrac.com/en/
... but somebody has to do it.


... but seriously ...
http://www.ikar-cisa.org/eXtraEngine3/WebObjects/eXtraEngine3.woa/wa/menu?i...
http://www.ikar-cisa2013.hr/

Have a good trip guys.
OP Jim Fraser 15 Oct 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/bristow-introduces-first-aw189-g...

If any of you are working on Cygnus next spring then maybe you will be able give us an early review of this machine.
 Welsh Kate 07 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks, Jim. Now trying to get my head round 'bilingual livery'!
 Mr Ed 07 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, does that mean that they're reducing capability in North Wales by only operating two aircraft as opposed to the I think 4 they have based at RAF Valley currently?
 drunken monkey 07 Nov 2013
In reply to Mr Ed: Out of those 4 at Valley, only 2 will likely to be serviceable. Unless your counting teh SARTU aircraft?
OP Jim Fraser 08 Nov 2013
In reply to drunken monkey:
> (In reply to Mr Ed) Out of those 4 at Valley, only 2 will likely to be serviceable. Unless your counting teh SARTU aircraft?

That many?

No, that's a bit cruel but the old girl has a few problems now and again. I have heard figures of overall availability that are quite respectable but the measuring protocol may not be the same as the civilian equivalent.

Modern a/c like S-92 and AW189 is likely to put Seaking availability in the shade, no matter how you measure it.

Valley will still be smarting from the time when there was a rescue at Llanddulas and all the Valley aircraft were offline so the HMS Gannet aircraft which had been on a job not far away came to do it. The RAF a/c from Leconfield was there too but the Navy's PR machine went into top gear and all we heard about how brilliant the Navy were. The story fronted the Navy's website for most of the next week.

Learning outcome: YOU DON'T NEED PRIVATISATION TO GET COMPETITION!
OP Jim Fraser 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Mr Ed:
> (In reply to Jim Fraser)
>
> Jim, does that mean that they're reducing capability in North Wales by only operating two aircraft as opposed to the I think 4 they have based at RAF Valley currently?

Although there have been availability issues with aircraft as mentioned above, whether military or civilian, the limiting factor is crewing.

As I understand it, at Valley, there is a ONE CREW available for SAR, just the same as for every other base. If a second aircraft is needed then ARCC assign one Chivenor or Leconfield or Prestwick.

Sometimes, during weekdays (which is not when bad things happen generally), there might be several available aircraft and crews at Valley but we have to remember that these guys are there doing other things and may be unqualified, lapsed, out of hours, or whatever, regardless of their ability, experience and willingness.
 drunken monkey 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser: Jim, we had the same "banter" when the Navy came to defrost 137 in Sneachda.
OP Jim Fraser 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

In the Norwegian All Weather Search And Rescue Helicopter (NAWSARH) project, of the Norwegian Ministry of Justice, they are near the end of the selection process to buy new aircraft for 330 Skvn Luftforsvaret.

The Merlin AW101 and Super Puma EC725 are still in the competition.

The Americans are put out about the S-92 being dropped from the competition and are doing their usual stupid thing of believing that all these stupid little countries have to do as they're told.

http://helihub.com/2013/11/07/connecticut-politicians-write-grovelling-lett...


'For alt vi har.Og alt vi her.'
OP Jim Fraser 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

My Norwegian spelling is rubbish.
 Daysleeper 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Sounds like Norway have chosen the AW101 now.

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.g...

OP Jim Fraser 08 Nov 2013
In reply to Daysleeper:

Aye.

Ministry of Justice
http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/jd/press-center/pressemeldinger/20131/agus...

The locals are going on about how it took 8 years to get a decision but they don't know the half of it. Their neighbours the Swedes went the privatisation route for Coastguard SAR and ended up having to nationalise. The British have been stumbling over this issue for 12 to 15 years and of course we have our decision recently.

Eight years not so bad, and they get a good solution. It almost didn't matter which helicopter. Merlin is a good tool and doing all sorts of great work. However, no matter how much MERT think it's a bit small, some of the 330 Skvn guys will think it's a bit big. They are look at the government's requirement for the number of survivors and think it is excessive.

This is the way to do it though. Justice and Public Safety buy helicopters for your air force (in some countries, defending your people doesn't just mean shooting people), collaborate with defence and health ministries from the start, air force flies them, air force do daily maintenance, local contractor in agreement with maker does heavy maintenance, health service contribute to rear crew training.

Local paper at Sola (South JRCC and SAR flight locally).
http://solabladet.no/index.php?page=vis_nyhet&NyhetID=8481
http://solabladet.no/index.php?page=vis_nyhet&NyhetID=8478

AW101 Merlin SAR.
vimeo.com/67010576
http://helihub.com/2013/04/10/portuguese-aw101-sets-new-sar-distance-record...
OP Jim Fraser 21 Nov 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

During the next few weeks, your local mountain rescue team, and other 'ground/maritime emergency service personnel', will be invited to meet the Bristow team at a series of engagement meetings close to the future bases.

Scottish MR representatives from teams and the MRCofS will be attending meetings at Prestwick and Inverness shortly.

http://www.bristowgroup.com/bristow-news/bristow-in-the-news/2013/bristows-...
OP Jim Fraser 03 Dec 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Has anyone been to a Bristow UK SAR Engagement Event in other parts of the country?

Caernarfon, St Athan, Manston and Humberside have been done. There must have been some Welsh and Lakes teams there? Tell us all about it.

Prestwick one happened today. Anyone at it?

Inverness is on Thursday afternoon. If Sam and Simon (or Clark) don't make it through the snow, I shall take it as bad omen.
OP Jim Fraser 05 Dec 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Just out of the Inverness Bristow UK SAR Engagement Event. It was good.

Many of my questions were answered, either in the presentations or the discussions that followed. There were a couple of unexpected twists. One of which, in relation to technical and regulatory aspects, was very very positive. Bristow have been listening: good.

They remain exposed on a couple of details but April 2015 is still some way off.

Aircraft role equipment spec is due to move forward even from the where the GAP SAR aircraft is now. This is impressive.

More channels of communication have been opened today and that can only be good.



I remain spectical about the skill set of Bristow's customer. I believe the time has come to change the name, nature and purposes of the MCA.

Make it so.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
OP Jim Fraser 23 Dec 2013
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Contract signed for the Norwegians to to get there flying buses.
http://www.agustawestland.com/news/agustawestland-signs-norwegian-all-weath...



No shouting from the rooftops hear about AW189 certification. EASA website has a few details about APU and overtorque warning derogations.

Has anyone heard anything?

It's getting near the time that Bristow were supposed to getting the first O&G one in the air. We really need this to go swimmingly well if all the right pieces are to be in place for April 2015.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Jan 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The recent issue of Shephard's Rotorhub online subscription magazine has a few articles that demonstrate the current pace and direction of technological change that is relevant to SAR helicopter equipment.

- Helicopter navigation and how it is being redefined with new capabilities for GPS and other satellite systems combined with more capable flight management systems.

- Short Wavelength Infra Red (SWIR) moves us another step closer to all-weather, all-hour vision. This wavelength is available both night and day and penetrates mist better than other wavelengths. It is already being offered by existing IR vision suppliers.

- A review of civilian helicopter Night Vision Imaging Systems.

At the recent Bristow Engagement Event it was clear that they are not planning to sit on their hands as far as SAR and flight equipment is concerned. Having equipped the GAP SAR aircraft at a level broadly similar to the main contract requirements, there are now plans to move forward from there when they equip the first main contract aircraft in 2015.

OP Jim Fraser 18 Jan 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/17/us-chcgroup-ipo-idUSBREA0G1042014...

Looks like it's pass the parcel with CHC again. And only worth half of what it used to be.

Maybe just as well that they didn't get the contract. They are still at Lee and Portland until 2017 though.


A couple of posters elsewhere on the net summed it up as follows.

"So First Reserve bought CHC for USD 1.46 billion bucks and now the market thinks it is worth 700 million......half the purchase price."

" ... buy it, pillage it, sell off the plums, milk it for max return, and still sell the carcass for $700,000,000."
OP Jim Fraser 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

News is expected this week of/for those who will be hovering over us in the future. Up until now, dozens of lips have been sealed.

Military SAR guys who have applied to Bristow under the MoD/DfT Managed Transition scheme have generally been keeping quiet about their hopes and plans. Meanwhile, those who are off to pastures new, perhaps on Chinooks or brand new Mk2 Puma, some of whom will be missed in SAR, have been the only ones talking. Hopefully, more can be understood about how Bristow will staff their SAR flights during the next few weeks.



OP Jim Fraser 03 Feb 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The modifications for AW189 SAR prototype that were planned for the later part of last year are believed to be taking place at Yeovil at the moment. At a guess, that will mean that the plan is between two and four months behind. This is not a good thing.

Also there is still no news of final EASA certification for the standard AW189.

There are rumours of changes in the plan for entry into service for the Oil and Gas version.

OP Jim Fraser 09 Feb 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Training with the Stornoway S-92 in Kintail today. Good stuff.

Liking the heater.


Talk of yet another S-92 upgrade on the Main contract. I shall be impress if that happens.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Feb 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW189 CERTIFICATION (OIL & GAS VERSION)

EASA PRESS RELEASE
http://easa.europa.eu/communications/press-releases/EASA-press-release.php?...
"The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) issued on Friday 7 February 2014 a Type Certificate to AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica Company, for the AW189 medium twin-engine helicopter."

EASA - TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/rotorcraft/EASA-...
A few interesting numbers. 19 passengers is a big number. 169 knots Never Exceed Velocity is also a big number but some probably expected higher. More big numbers in the engine and gearbox limits. It is possible that some of these numbers may differ slightly in the SAR variant.

AGUSTA WESTLAND
http://www.agustawestland.com/news/aw189-achieves-easa-certification

PRESS
http://helihub.com/2014/02/10/easa-certifies-the-agustawestland-aw189/?utm_...
http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/easa-grants-aw189-helicopter-typ...

IMPLICATIONS FOR SAR CONTRACT
It is extremely good news for the future UK SAR Helicopter Service that this certification is complete. It is expected that AW will deliver aircraft to Bristow for oil & gas support operations in the southern North Sea shortly. This will create operating experience within the SAR contractor's organisation at the earliest opportunity. We can expect this event to smooth the path to certification of the additional elements required for the SAR variant but the SAR certification programme is not out of the woods yet.
OP Jim Fraser 05 Mar 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

An article about the Humberside base which starts from April 2015 with S-92.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/view-airport-s-search-rescue-base/story-2...
OP Jim Fraser 20 Mar 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Manston closure plan involving 45 day consultation. Bristow position not yet known.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-26646985
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/19/manston-airport-kent-closure-p...
OP Jim Fraser 16 Apr 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW189 visits the Gulf of Mexico and demonstrates to O&G customers. The aircraft has an ERA identity. ERA are major players in the aircraft leasing market and were a bidding partner for the main UK SAR Helecopter Service contract in the early stages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87QYSUHv-cM&feature=youtu.be

A bit of a sales pitch going on here but nevertheless this is one of the first videos showing the aircraft out there 'in the wild' doing something akin to real work.
OP Jim Fraser 30 Apr 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

CAA registration record of first AW189 in service (O&G variant).
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&...

Arrival at Norwich the following day.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/keithnewsome012/DSC_68...
OP Jim Fraser 12 May 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Another wee look at government statistics on helicopter search and rescue to help you form the big picture.

The MoD published statistics about its SAR activity every month. It also does quarterly and annual reports. This used to be done by a group called DASA but now done by Defence Economics but it is not known if they same people. For our purposes, MoD statistics are crippled by the confusions introduced by RAF MRS callouts and overseas helicopter callouts.

The MCA does not see fit to tell we mere mortals what they are spending our money on. The MoD reports include links to the MCA webiste but no detail of SAR activity is available there. In each MoD quarterly or annual SAR statistical report there are basic figures about how many callouts each MCA helicopter base does but that is it.

In 2013, the MoD fleet did 1802 callouts and the MCA fleet did 669 callouts (according to the MoD, who assign all the jobs at the ARCC). We have no information about whether these are Land or Maritime and we have no other details. Making some broad brush assumptions, Sumburgh is going to be more maritime orientated, Stornoway is going to do lots of mountains and the other two are going to be more maritime orientated than the MoD fleet.

This obscuration and confusion of data is exactly the same situation as was criticised in the 2001 Provision and Coverage Report and the 2006 follow-up report. Thirteen years and a couple of billion pounds of assigned public contract later, there is no greater clarity.

What is this money being spent on? Who is spending it? Do they have the appropriate skill set to conduct the public service required and use this money effectively?

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The two most recent months available from Defence Economics are February and March 2014.

The split between Land and Maritime is an important one because of the different skills involved and the different responsibilities assigned in the Civil Contingencies Act 2004. As ever, it is difficult to determine the exact split from the available statistics, so a band is given here.

FEBRUARY 2014 - MoD SAR fleet
Maritime 12% to 33%
Land 67% to 88%

MARCH 2014 - MoD SAR fleet
Maritime 13% to 34%
Land 66% to 87%

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Let's try a bit of guess-work about the MCA figures. Let's say they are 50-50 land-maritime overall. Take March 2014 and assume that MCA callouts are in the same proportion as 2013: what do we get?

MARCH 2014 - Estimate for MoD and MCA SAR fleet
Maritime 23% to 38%
Land 62% to 77%

And the result is that we still struggle to produce evidence that supports handing responsibility for the entire UK SAR Helicopter Service to the Maritime and Coastguard Agency who have limited land SAR skills and limited aviation skills. The clue is in the name.

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As stated above, I remain spectical about the skill set of Bristow's customer. I believe the time has come to change the name, nature and purposes of the MCA.

Make it so.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
OP Jim Fraser 01 Jun 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
As May closes and the commencement of service is only 10 months away, the structural steel frame of one end of the new SAR hangar rises to renew the Dalcross skyline beside the end of old third runway near the tower.

Balfour Beatty also began work at Humberside in March. The MCA tell me that construction at the next two bases, Manston and Caernarfon, will begin in the next couple of months.

UKCers nearby might like to update us on what's happening at Humberside, Manston and Caernarfon. The Manston situation will be of interest to many considering what's been happening at the airport.
http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/topic/manston-airport/
Post edited at 19:14
 london_huddy 01 Jun 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Hi Jim - thanks for keep us up to date on this.

AH
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jun 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

RECRUITMENT
Just when we thought that the recruitment of aircrew was settled, Bristow have re-advertised SAR pilot and rearcrew positions as of 20th June.

A number of experienced SAR aircrew have recently been directly recruited and others have received offers as part of the programme of Managed Transition from the RAF and RN. The reason for the new adverts is not known. Probably there is a perfectly reasonable explanation based on offers not accepted or a plan for phased recruitment.

BRISTOW SAR MANAGEMENT TEAM
A few new faces and some musical chairs. All part of life's rich tapestry.

SAR REGULATORY FRAMEWORK
A new approach is believed to be in the pipeline and circulating internally with the CAA. I await news of this with intense interest.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

See pages 22 to 26 of Casbag 34 for a SAR helicopter article.
http://www.mountainrescuescotland.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Casbag-34v...

Since that article was published, a few aspects of it have been superseded by the items listed in the post above.
OP Jim Fraser 20 Jul 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

"Topping Out Ceremony Marks Construction Milestone at New Search and Rescue Helicopter Base"
http://bristowgroup.com/bristow-news/latest-news/2014/topping-out-ceremony-...


The Inverness base is in a similar state of construction with the main elements of the frame and the roof complete and other parts of the structure now being added.
OP Jim Fraser 25 Jul 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

At last.

Bristow Certified to Fly AgustaWestland AW189
http://bristowgroup.com/bristow-news/latest-news/2014/bristow-certified-fly...

New Generation AgustaWestland AW189 Takes to the Skies
First Commercial Flight
http://bristowgroup.com/bristow-news/latest-news/2014/new-generation-agusta...
OP Jim Fraser 14 Aug 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
The new AW189 brochures, one SAR and one offshore, are on the AW website at the following address.
http://www.agustawestland.com/product/aw189

Key figures for the SAR version are as follows.

Endurance - 5h 40 min
Range - 600nm
Vne (Velocity never exceed) - 169 knots
Cruising speed - 145 to 155 knots
MTOW (max take-off weight) - 18298 lb (8300kg)
HOGE (hover out of ground effect) - 8770 feet (2673m)
MRGB dry run capability - 50 minutes

That all means fast, capable and safe with the ability to do substantial work out at the contracted radius of action without refueling. Very fast.


FIPS, Full Ice Protection System, is mentioned in the brochure but this is not likely to be certified before it enters service in the UK next spring. The alternative Limted system, LIPS, is still better than what we have just now on the Sea King.
Post edited at 20:56
OP Jim Fraser 14 Aug 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

ONGOING CONCERNS.

- Principles of Open Government are wasted on the MCA.

- A service that is 70+% Land SAR will be run by an organisation that has only a maritime skill set.

- The Royal Air Force SAR Force, which provides over 50% of the current service features as only 33% of Bristow's plan for crew recruitment.

- RAF OR-7/OR-9 (Flight Sergeant/Master Aircrew) Winchop/Winchman on PA Scales or RN OF-2/OF-3 (Lt/LtCdr) Observer are unlikely to be attracted by Trolley-Dolly-In-Drysuit wages. This may mean that Bristow may fail to harvest the appropriate rear-crew talent that Managed Transition was designed to provide.

- Many continue to seek convincing assurances that mountain flying will receive the specialist attention and the training time that it deserves.



NOTES
- RAF PA Scales. Professional Aviator scales, on which Master Aircrew can earn up to £62k.
- RN LtCdr, flying, up to approx £63.5k.
- Managed Transition is the name of the recruitment process that allows current SAR aircrew to transfer to the contractor in a controlled manner.
- Mountain flying. A few thoughts.
- - It's a lot about training and experience but it is also about innate talent.
- - Bouncing down a mountain in an aluminium box is never going to be comfortable but break an aircraft in the military and though it is serious, it's just a b0110cking.
- - Break an aircraft in civil aviation and insurance companies and HR professionals are involved. Nightmare.
- - As I recently wrote to a MR colleague in a discussion about mountain flying, "It has to be faced that the supposed 'best' mountain flying you have ever seen was probably an immensely stupid thing to do."



TOOLS
- They Work For You.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
- Chair of the Commons Transport Select Committee, Louise Ellman MP:
http://louiseellman.wordpress.com/
louise.ellman.mp@parliament.uk



OP Jim Fraser 17 Aug 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Just a wee reminder of the timetable for Transition-In that kicks off just 7 months from now.

01 April 2015 - Lossiemouth to Inverness (RAF to Bristow), Lot 2, 2 x AW189. Training Base: 1 x Aw189.
01 April 2015 - Leconfield to Humberside (RAF to Bristow), Lot 1, 2 x S-92.

01 July 2015 - Valley to Caernarfon (RAF to Bristow), Lot 1, 2 x S-92.
01 July 2015 - Wattisham to Manston (RAF to Bristow), Lot 2, 2 x AW189.

01 Oct 2015 - Chivenor to St Athan (RAF to Bristow), Lot 2, 2 x AW189.
01 Oct 2015 - Boulmer (RAF) discontinued.

01 Jan 2016 - Prestwick (RN to Bristow), Lot 2, 2 x AW189.
01 Jan 2016 - Culdrose to Newquay (RN to Bristow), Lot 1, 2 x S-92.

01 April 2017 - Sumburgh (Bristow: GAP to MAIN), Lot 1, 2 x S-92.
01 April 2017 - Lee-on-Solent (CHC GAP to Bristow), Lot 2, 2 x AW189.

01 July 2017 - Stornoway (Bristow: GAP to MAIN), Lot 1, 2 x S-92. Training base: 1 x S-92.
01 July 2017 - Portland (CHC GAP) discontinued.


http://www.bristowsar.com/index.php/uk-search-and-rescue/sar-bases/
Post edited at 14:06
 GordyB 17 Aug 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for updates Jim.

Don't think we'll see them pushing the limits just as much as this one.

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2013/march/22/130...

Our team members onboard were a bit concerened. took about 40 mins to hover taxi 3000` in a blizzard. High line at summit was interesting to say the least... Glad I missed that one

Gordon
OP Jim Fraser 18 Aug 2014
In reply to GordyB:

Craig now works for Bristow UK SAR.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

ONGOING CONCERNS (continued)

REAR CREW
Others have expressed concern about Rear Crew recruitment. There is believed to be a shortage. Another concern regarding Rear Crew was the news a few moths ago that Rear Crew standards at the CAA were being handled by the Chief Cabin Crew Safety Inspector. This reinforced existing thoughts that the civil aviation approach was to regard these guys as trolley-dollies in dry suits.

The most recent Bristow adverts for SAR crew posted in late June do not reflect a particular problem with Rear Crew. They seek 25 each of Commanders, Co-Pilots, Winch Operators and Winchman-Paramedics. These adverts differ little from those that appeared last spring. A paragraph about ITAR now appears in each one, the title Winchman changes to Winchman-Paramedic and the Winch Operator is required to hold an Immediate Emergency Care qualification.

MANAGEMENT
News of more musical chairs at Bristow.
News of the DfT perhaps not being as happy with the cheapest tender as they were 12 months ago.

REGULATION
Flight Operations Inspection (H)
The CAA has seen its own series of personnel problems in recent months including some departures of persons with direct responsibility for inspection of SAR flying.

Aircraft Certification
Concerns have been expressed about the performance of the AW189 but it turns out that this is about administration rather than performance. The change from CAA to EASA certification brings some changes in approach and probably a bit of a capability droop amongst regulators. At the same time, Agusta Westland have produced a new type of performance document for aspects of the AW189 which some regard as a major step forward. However, in the current climate of change and confusion, the absence of the traditional approach is incorrectly interpreted as an inadequacy of the aircraft.

OP Jim Fraser 08 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Civil Aviation Authority - CAP 999

Title:
Helicopter Search and Rescue (SAR) in the UK National Approval Guidance

Description:
This CAP has been published to assist organisations in determining procedures and Operations Manual guidance to operate civil search and rescue helicopters in the UK and this version incorporates various changes to align with European aviation regulations.

Version: 2
Date: 22 July 2014

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11...


A key part of this CAP is at 2.15 on page 12.

"2.15 Each SAR operator should request relevant permissions and exemptions from the regulations as appropriate to their SAR operational or training requirements. These will constitute the substance of the SAR approval."

This approach contrasts with the 2010 issue which presented 24 exemptions to regulations in its Appendix 1. The concept of an additional SAR Air Operating Certificate is gone.
OP Jim Fraser 09 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The first aircraft delivery for the MAIN contract. Presumably, either going to Humberside or as a training aircraft to Stornoway.

http://www.sikorsky.com/About+Sikorsky/News/Press+Details?pressvcmid=35ad44...

"Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. and Bristow Group Inc. today announced the acceptance of an S-92® helicopter by Bristow Helicopters Ltd. The helicopter, configured for search and rescue service, was accepted during a ceremony at the Sikorsky facility in Coatesville, Pennsylvania. Bristow Helicopters Ltd. is affiliated with Bristow Group Inc. (NYSE: BRS). Sikorsky Aircraft is a subsidiary of United Technologies Corp. (NYSE: UTX).

In March 2013, Bristow Helicopters Ltd. was awarded the contract to provide search and rescue helicopter service in the United Kingdom. The contract begins in April 2015 and runs until 2026. Bristow Helicopters Ltd.'s U.K. SAR (search and rescue) fleet of 22 aircraft will include 11 Sikorsky S-92 helicopters that are fitted with state-of-the-art technology.

Under the U.K. SAR contract, Bristow will operate from 10 bases across the U.K., strategically located near areas of high SAR incident rates. These include Inverness, Manston, Prestwick, Caernarfon, Humberside, Newquay, St Athan, Lee-on-Solent, Sumburgh and Stornoway.

'We are very excited to receive the first aircraft from Sikorsky for our U.K. search and rescue fleet,' said Jonathan Baliff, President and Chief Executive Officer of Bristow Group Inc. 'With more than 60 S-92 helicopters already in our inventory, we have come to know and appreciate the aircraft’s mission capabilities.'

At Sikorsky, we stand behind our mission statement: ’We pioneer flight solutions that bring people home everywhere…every time,’ said Carey Bond, President, Sikorsky Commercial Systems & Services. Bristow has a long history of search and rescue, and we are proud to support their efforts in the United Kingdom to bring people home. Sikorsky would also like to thank the Maritime and Coastguard Agency and Bristow as the operator for their choice of the S-92 helicopter for this very critical mission.'"
OP Jim Fraser 09 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Still battling on. Two still in SAR.
http://www.fleetairarmoa.org/news/trio-of-sea-kings-reach-45-yrs-service



(These are ten years younger than the original Sikorsky Sea King that first flew in March of 1959.)
OP Jim Fraser 29 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
IKAR time again. South Tahoe, Nevada, next week.
http://www.mra.org/training-education/ikar-2014
vimeo.com/74700127

I am representing Scottish Mountain Rescue on the Air Commission. I shall miss the first aid training at Morvich this weekend but somehow I think I shall get over it.

This event involves me doing what I am told for a whole 4 days. We'll see how that goes.

Reports from representatives at the Terrestrial, Avalanche and Air Commissions will probably be published on the Scottish Mountain Rescue website within a few weeks of returning from the IKAR Congress.
http://www.mountainrescuescotland.org/member-page/ikar-reports-updates/
Post edited at 11:21
 rogerwebb 29 Sep 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> >
> This event involves me doing what I am told for a whole 4 days.
>

This seems unlikely...............
OP Jim Fraser 29 Sep 2014
In reply to rogerwebb:

> This seems unlikely...............

The RAF Regt have been helping me to practise Roger!
marko-99 07 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thought you might be interested in these Jim.Pictures were taken at the start of October but not sure where.Not far away now.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/225driver/15421662375/sizes/l/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/225driver/15235056018/in/photostream/lightbox...

Please note the Aircraft Tail Number....????
 Andy Say 07 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Do you know if planning permission has yet been granted for the proposed North Wales base of operations?
OP Jim Fraser 11 Oct 2014
In reply to marko-99:

> Thought you might be interested in these Jim.Pictures were taken at the start of October but not sure where. Not far away now. ...

> Please note the Aircraft Tail Number....????


Nice find!

This is PT5 and not a production aircraft. It has recently been fitted with a partial implementation of the SAR long range fuel tank (thus the fat belly). This appears to be taken at Bristow at Dyce and the aircraft was also photographed out on the tarmac there.

I have no idea how I-PTFF gets off the ground considering how many coats of paint it has had in the last two years! Here it is in its most recent former incarnation.
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=53869

There are concerns about the ground clearance of this aircraft with the new tank. Other pics of I-PTFF at Dyce show the rear of the fuselage and a worrying clearance between tarmac and aircraft. Ground clearance is important for mountain operations.

The Sea King has rubbish ground clearance too but manages to get away with it because only a tiny part of the centre-rear boat-hull near the rear wheel is a problem. Slip the rear wheel between the rocks and you are pretty much sorted.

A flat-bottomed aircraft with limited ground clearance will have problems. This will be made worse by the fitting of expensive toys like a searchlight and FLIR ball. To protect those items and the fuel tank, the pilot will tend to keep power on while landed so that clearance is maintained. This, in turn, makes working beside the aircraft more difficult.

It is not possible to simply increase the ground clearance using higher suspension because then you change the entire dynamic response of the landed aircraft and test and certification needs to start over.

Nevertheless, the performance of this aircraft is outstanding and it should still be a good mountain tool.

It is possible that the production items might have a partial solution for the ground clearance problem but I shall not be holding my breathe.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Oct 2014
In reply to andyathome:
That will have happened some time ago I would think. At least one other bidder had a planning application in before the contract was even awarded.

The MCA told me at the end of May that the Caernarfon base would be started in about two months so I would have expected some founds and some substantial steelwork to be up by now at the location shown at the following address.
http://bristowsar.com/index.php/caernarfon-airport-sar-base-community-feedb...

I have no local reports of progress. Can anyone help us out with that?
Post edited at 02:28
marko-99 14 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The "Fat Belly" is interesting. With a full compliment of crew, Six M.R.T with kit and a full tank of fuel this will sit very low indeed.
The single wheel on each main landing gear will also add to this problem with it sinking more readily on soft ground, as you said Jim things like the L/Gear are not an easy fix.Fitting a double wheel may help but I think an emergancy flotation device has still to be fitted on this aircraft (I believe its fitted around the outside of the main L/Gear) so maybe that rules that out as there will be no space with twin wheels.

I-PTFF was in Aberdeen for P.R but is away back to Yeovil, probably to get its winch and search light fitted as this was not done in time for the P.R day in Aberdeen.

Like you, I believe that the 189 will be very good,we will find out soon enough.

cheers Marko
OP Jim Fraser 14 Oct 2014
In reply to marko-99:

In a perfect world, all this would have been good to go during this spring and SAR Version certification would have been complete maybe three or four months ago. Bristow were way behind at the time of contract award, probably made up some ground and now they and AW seem to be slipping a wee bit again.

There was a theory that October would see the SAR version certified and the first aircraft delivered. Aircraft number two would have been completed at Yeovil. These milestones appear to be slipping and it is difficult to imagine full-scale training, including with SAR partners, commencing with the new year, as planned.

Hopefully, enough things will go right between now and April for none of this to matter in the end.

Another aspect is that Bristow on the UK contract are not the only people who are interested in using the AW189 for SAR. In far corners of the globe, the AW189 may under consideration for use on other new SAR contracts. Events here that drag on a bit may not be helpful.
marko-99 15 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Just like the AW189, Bristow are interested in winning more SAR contracts around the globe themselves.

I heard a rumour that some AW189 crews are being trained on the S92 first and will fly these aircraft from the bases that will go live first i.e Inverness. Is this plan "B" because certification may not be given in time for the 189?

The S92 aircraft based at Stornoway are out training two at the same time some days (CG100 and CG101) and I do know that Bristow has taken delivery of more S92 aircraft in SAR configuration.
OP Jim Fraser 16 Oct 2014
In reply to marko-99:

There are two possible plan B.

B1 - would use S-92 delivered early to fill spaces at Lot 2 bases that should have AW189. This version incurs no contract fines but has a high training load and requires Sikorsky to deliver early at a time of high demand. This version has been talked of by Bristow SAR crew.

B2 - would use AW139 that will be needed later elsewhere in the world at Lot 2 bases that should have AW189. Since 139 pilots require less type training for 189 the training load will be reduced. The inability of the 139 to carry loads specified in the contract may mean contract fines would be incurred. This version has been talked of by industry insiders watching aircraft manufacture and deployment.

Some think B1 has edged ahead recently. However, looking at S-92 training activity, it must be remembered that S-92 will be required at three new bases by just over one year from now. The S-92 at Stornoway also provides a platform for a range of SAR training related to an equipment fit with many common factors.
OP Jim Fraser 27 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
I continue to have concerns about the approach of Bristow's customer, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency.

Don't take my word for it. Check out the "officialCoastguard" line. Watch the video "Why we are here" and then tell me that this is an organisation ready to take the central role in the provision of SAR aeronautical support across the UK SRR where 70+% are Land jobs.

youtube.com/watch?v=N7fITlBz7g0&
https://twitter.com/MCA_media/status/512921828759994368
http://www.bristowsar.com/

The fact that it appears on the Bristow SAR website is extremely telling. HMS Bristow clearly does not find herself in a position to challenge or appropriately modify the corporate image of the Southampton home for retired mariners.
Post edited at 15:22
marko-99 27 Oct 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, how much will the MCA actually be involved in UK SARH? The Aircraft will be Tasked by the ARCC and not the Coastguard. I know that MCA is Governed by the DFT and not the MOD.
The Government needed a figure head, and needed the Helicopters in some recognizable livery, so maybe the Coastguard was the only sensible option, as they had already an established SARH platform.
It is up to every service that uses the Helicopters from next year to tell them exactly what they need, and expect from them. (Bristow & Coastguard)
All eyes will be on this and the agencies involved know this, so I would think that they would pull out all stops to give as good a service as the RAF/R.Navy have given over the past years.
OP Jim Fraser 27 Oct 2014
In reply to marko-99:

In a conversation in London during 2012, I was told "... operators are permitted to do everything that is required to do the job and enable them to provide the same service as military flyers." I know that significant discussion on regulatory matters have taken place since that time and there appear to be even fewer regulatory obstacles now than then.

The chosen contractor is one of the world's longest established, with rescue in its blood, going back to Alan Bristow (Croix de Guerre) using a borrowed Hiller to rescue injured Legionnaires from the Vietman jungle under enemy fire in 1950. They have a record of pushing forward with technology and work methods and we have already witnessed this trait in the GAP contract.

As the weeks go by, more and more news reaches me of the fine aviators who are joining Bristow to deliver this service at the sharp end. The only restraint I have heard them discuss is that "When I was in the service, if I bent an aircraft then it was only a b0110cking but **** **** **** ****." One little-appreciated factor is that what in the past appeared to be the finest mountain flying we have ever seen was probably an extremely stupid thing to do. In powerful modern aircraft with advanced flight control systems, some of the boundaries can be held further away so, on balance, any fear of the HR department is probably not an excessive restraint in relation to previous norms.

The experience of teams working with contractor's aircraft across the North-West Highlands during the last 25 years has been of a service delivered in spite of the strangle-hold being applied by the customer. Fortunately, the new contract that commences transition-in on the 1st of April has many technical provisions that previous contracts did not have. These take account of the major mountain workload, including environment, loads and communication requirements. Hopefully, in this new situation of 10 bases, the customer will simply not have the resources to stick their nose in where it's not needed.

Telling people what you need only works when you are allowed to speak to them. The answers to your questions only have full value if you can share them with those who need to know. Sharing those answers is difficult if you are legally restrained by confidentiality agreements. If the persons signed up are not from the group with the 25 years relevant experience then the value is further reduced.

Bristow will be experiencing all the problems you might expect with a major public contract of this complexity. Most of those problems will be ironed out and we will never need to know anything about them. Whatever mistakes Bristow make there is a good chance that they will also be made to carry the can for any mistakes of their customer or the regulator.
OP Jim Fraser 01 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I thought it might be good time to remind folks about some discussion about the USA's International Trade in Arms Regulations (ITAR) in 22CFR that took place on the previous thread and provide an update on ITAR as it affects some SAR equipment.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=484374&v=1#x7116639

This year has seen the US State Department and Department of Commerce implement continuing "major reforms to U.S. export controls". "The President's ECR (Export Control Reform) initiative is designed to better protect America's most sensitive defense technologies, while reducing unnecessary restrictions on exports of less sensitive items." Several categories in the United States Munitions List (USML) are affected by the recent reform package.

Night vision systems are in Category XII and at the end of July 2014 this category was marked as TBD (To Be Determined) along with artillery, toxicological agents and other nasties.
OP Jim Fraser 02 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Good news continues to reach me about the air force and fleet air arm SAR aircrew who will be working for Bristow, particularly at Inverness and Prestwick.

Also occasional news of Bristow not harvesting the experience of few highly experience and highly decorated SAR aircrew. The set of jobs ads that had been re-posted in June, and then extended, closed on Friday. Completion of transition-in does not happen until the end of 2015 and Prestwick and Newquay Managed Transition crews are not required until that time so there may still be time for Bristow to demonstrate the same recruitment diversity as the MoD.
OP Jim Fraser 03 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
MANAGED TRANSITION AIRCREW TRANSFERRING TO BRISTOW HELICOPTERS LTD, July 2014 .

About 70 to 80 aircrew from the RAF and RN/RM are joining Bristow through Managed Transition

70% (+/-6%) are RAF and the remainder RN/RM.

More rearcrew than pilots are transitioning. They include commissioned rearcrew from both services as well as many Sergeant/PO aircrew from RAF, RN and RM.

The overwhelming majority are currently serving in SAR flights but a small number are not. Some other aircrew were not released for Managed Transition to Bristow because of Return of Service commitments. This may help to explain a portion of the keen SAR types not transitioning.


Note that a number of aircrew, pilots in particular, have already joined Bristow after recently leaving the RAF or RN.
Post edited at 00:32
OP Jim Fraser 04 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This is what we have to go through when we have a government that cannot do joined up thinking. Private paramedics in SAR helicopters are not able to access all the medicines that NHS and military paramedics can (and they are going to be the same guys in many cases!).

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3...

Round in circles we go trying to make something work in the way that it needs to because it was thought up by somebody with a small hat size. In Norway their new system is run by Justice in full collaboration from the start with Defence and Health to produce a system that has full capability. In the regulatory framework, there is a category called State Flight that is typically used for Military and Police aviation yet there appears to be no thought to this category for the UK SAR Helicopter Service in spite of the clear state obligation that it fulfills. That categorisation would solve a number of other problems for SAR helicopters such as how they carry certain types of load and their restrictions in training.

You may recall that this process started with a 25 year and five billion pound contract notice in May of 2006. Somehow, an important element of creating a service of equal capability has yet to be legalised in May of 2014.
OP Jim Fraser 04 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
I realise that there may be few Men of Kent on this forum but does anyone know what is happening at the Manston?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-29863916

Based on what the MCA told me some months ago, the Manston base should be under construction. One might expect it all to be ready to start training flights there in April.

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Search-crews-need-new-base/story-20877547-de...

Recently, bases have ceased to be described by their specific locations and, as on the MCA's gov.uk website, are described by region as follows.

Central southern England
Northern England
Northern Scotland
North Wales
Shetland Isles
South east England
Southern Scotland
South Wales
South west England
Western Isles

This is an interesting change in presentation considering the uncertainty over Manston.

Post edited at 12:40
OP Jim Fraser 05 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Bristow Inverness base looking really good and must be nearing completion. Looks like work was continuing on internal fittings today.

Anyone seen how Humberside is doing?
Post edited at 19:47
OP Jim Fraser 10 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
It is expected that in a few days ("mid-November") the MoD will announce the winning bid for the Falkland Islands Search and Rescue Helicopter Service contract 2013/S 152-265213.

http://www.government-online.net/falkland-islands-search-and-rescue-helicop...

Five companies had been shortlisted.
Avincis, Bristow Helicopters, CHC Scotia, FB Heliservices and AAR International.

Although several of these bidders give the appearance of being of US or Canadian, my understanding is that in all cases the plan is for the real work to be done by British-based companies.

Some expect that Bristows are on a roll and will walk away with it. I am not so sure.

A humility injection won't do any harm about now. And there is something else that I want Bristow to be concentrating on during the next four and half months.
Post edited at 15:23
OP Jim Fraser 13 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> Bristow Inverness base looking really good and must be nearing completion. Looks like work was continuing on internal fittings today.


And now Balfour Beatty are packing up to go home. Construction site fencing is down and everything tidied away.

In the entrance part of the building, doors and fittings look complete and fire extinguishers are laid out.


Need some aircraft.

More rumours of Plan B2 but could be an aircraft misidentification.
Post edited at 23:04
OP Jim Fraser 14 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

BASES - FURNITURE AND FITTINGS
Just in time. Here is the contract for the comfy chairs that they will need while they are waiting for the aircraft.
http://helihub.com/2014/10/23/havelock-europa-to-provide-furniture-fittings...
Post edited at 18:17
OP Jim Fraser 14 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
AIRCRAFT LEASES
11 x S-92 and 1 x AW189.
I haven't worked out the detail of what's going on here yet. I'll get to it.
http://helihub.com/2014/11/12/milestone-aviation-group-finances-helicopters...

Milestone Aviation has recently been acquired by General Electric.
Post edited at 18:32
OP Jim Fraser 18 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

My Christmas present has arrived.

An Agusta Westland AW189 in HMCG colours has been photographed landing at Norwich. (Norwich? Well, presumably it is because there is an established Bristow AW189 operation at Norwich with qualified technicians.) It bears a known Italian temporary delivery registration but appears to be in full production SAR specification. I judge this by the following differences in relation to prototype PT5 I-PTFF.

- Long range fuel tank as integrated part of fuselage
- Double winch
- Radio antennae
- Matt black engine intakes
- Cable catcher/cutter
- Float boxes (?) at rear undercarriage
- Smoke dischargers (?)

It remains possible that this is a further prototype but it does seem likely that it is the expected Italian-built first production aircraft.



La oss gå flyr.
marko-99 18 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I spotted it also on the PPRUNE forum Jim, looks like the real deal this time. What I dont now about is the certification for the SAR 189. Could this have been done in Italy, or does it need to be done for every country that it operates SAR in?
Also, how many are being built in Italy before they start to run off the Yeovil production line? We need 5 airframes before July 1st 2015 dont we?
Does anyone out there know how far on the airframes are at Yeovil?
I think youre right Jim, the registration number is on a peel off sheet and not a proper transfer like the rest of the livery if you look closely, cant tell if it has the G-MCG# prefix underneath. I take it that AW use this Reg just like a car dealership would do with test plates and the like?
 richprideaux 18 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

My work took me down to Dinas Dinlle so I popped over to have a look at Caernarfon Airfield. The new facility and hangar looks good and is pretty substantial - it dwarfs the existing hangars to the south.

I still think it was a brave decision putting some stonking great wind turbines in the middle of the airfield there...
OP Jim Fraser 18 Nov 2014
In reply to marko-99:
> I spotted it also on the PPRUNE forum Jim, looks like the real deal this time. What I dont now about is the certification for the SAR 189. Could this have been done in Italy, or does it need to be done for every country that it operates SAR in?

Aircraft certification is a EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency) task. The O&G version of the AW189 was certified by EASA in February, as noted above. http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7670094

Additional certification is required for the SAR version and this is one of the necessary regulatory steps before training and operation can begin.



> Also, how many are being built in Italy before they start to run off the Yeovil production line? We need 5 airframes before July 1st 2015 dont we?

Yes. Five. I have been told that No 2 is in build at Yeovil. I expect that these will have major assemblies from Italy and Poland and final assembly will be in the UK. I currently have no information about how many others have started build at Yeovil.



> I think youre right Jim, the registration number is on a peel off sheet and not a proper transfer like the rest of the livery if you look closely, cant tell if it has the G-MCG# prefix underneath. I take it that AW use this Reg just like a car dealership would do with test plates and the like?

AW have a range of registrations for prototype, such as seen on PT5 I-PTFF, and for test and delivery. This appears to be from the range of registrations for test and delivery. This is an un-certified aircraft type so we can expect that it will retain this registration until EASA certification is complete. The Bristow SAR engineering team have known for some time what the UK registrations will be. The CAA site does not seem to allow us to see reserved registrations but they are up to G-MCGG (920225, SIKORSKY S-92A) so far which are the seven S92 for Sumburgh, Stornoway, training and Humberside presumably. http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-MC...
Post edited at 22:14
OP Jim Fraser 18 Nov 2014
In reply to richprideaux:

Nice work rich.

Now, has anyone seen what is happening at Humberside, or more intriguingly, Manston?

Humberside should be at the same stage as Inverness. Manston should be at the same stage as Caerrnarfon and about 2 or 3 months behind Inverness and Humberside. However, at Manston, the airport closure and sale is likely to have had an impact and it is not yet clear what the outcome will be. Somebody must know?
OP Jim Fraser 20 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Plan B2 is confirmed in the trade press.

http://helihub.com/2014/11/19/aw189-delays-mean-bristow-will-fly-aw139-on-u...

AW139 is the stand-in for late AW189.


Remember where you heard it first.
Post edited at 08:30
 James Thacker 20 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Remember where you heard it first.

Heard it first on Helihub Jim...


OP Jim Fraser 20 Nov 2014
In reply to James Thacker:

> Heard it first on Helihub Jim...



http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7905936
Pay attention!
 James Thacker 20 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Yes I know, I saw that Jim. I know you are on it!
marko-99 20 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks Jim. I wonder who is paying for these AW139 airframes? The leasing deal that you mentioned before cant cover things like this surely.
I think I read that Bristow had to give only 3 months training with SAR partners (MRT) before going live on April 1st 2015, and with Helihub quoting that more aircraft will be rolling off production lines in weeks, is this not a bit strange? How long does SAR certification usually take? The oil and gas AW189 was certified quickly because the airframe is not completely new, but based on the AW139/AW169. Does this not follow for SAR Cert?
OP Jim Fraser 20 Nov 2014
In reply to marko-99:

> Thanks Jim. I wonder who is paying for these AW139 airframes? The leasing deal that you mentioned before cant cover things like this surely.

> I think I read that Bristow had to give only 3 months training with SAR partners (MRT) before going live on April 1st 2015, and with Helihub quoting that more aircraft will be rolling off production lines in weeks, is this not a bit strange? How long does SAR certification usually take? The oil and gas AW189 was certified quickly because the airframe is not completely new, but based on the AW139/AW169. Does this not follow for SAR Cert?


Who is paying?
It is said that Agusta Westland are paying for these additional AW139 aircraft.

Training: SAR partners.
I have no comment at this time.

AW189 ancestry.
There are some common assemblies and a considerable family resemblance with the AW139. The 139 started as the Agusta Bell 139 back in about 1997 as a replacement for the Huey family: Iroguois, 214ST, Griffin and Cobra. The AW149 is an enlarged military version of the AW139 that first flew in 2009 but has not been a market success. The AW189 is a civilian version of the 149 that first flew in 2011 and the standard Oil & Gas version gained EASA certification in February 2014. The Bristow order was the first for the SAR version in August 2013

SAR certification timetable.
The correct answer is that your guess is as good as mine. Clearly, common parts dominate the parts list but that is not the whole story. No full specification prototype of the SAR version was ever built. PT5 I-PTFF was a partial prototype for SAR features. The production aircraft I-EASN is the first full SAR build. During development of the SAR version, shifts have been made in the relationships between the mass of the aircraft and the control surfaces and the wheels. The dry weight of the long-range tank fit is said to have more than doubled during development which is unhelpful. There are changes to the routing of control lines and wiring looms. The maximum fuel load is now greater. I do not know to what extent the SAR features have been accepted, or provisionally accepted, based on work on I-PTFF and that will be key to the timescale. When do we need it to happen? End of the year? Don't bet your life savings on it.
OP Jim Fraser 21 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

More from the trade press. Hear is an article by Dominic Perry of Flight Global.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bristow-details-aw189-contingency...

AIRCRAFT CONTINGENCY PLAN
Looks like both Bristow and the The Weakest Link will not be drawn. I thought the cat was already out of the bag.

EMERGENCY SERVICE PERSONNEL TRAINING
An answer to one of marko-99's questions. ' ... “pre-operational activity” due to commence at both sites on 5 January which “will include engagement and training with SAR partners”, it says, including the emergency services and mountain rescue teams.'

MANSTON
'It says “it will execute a contingency plan” to ensure SAR coverage in the region and will make an announcement “ in due course”.'

AIRCREW TRAINING
'Crew training is also on track, including work with night-vision goggles, ahead of the 1 April start date, it says.'

OP Jim Fraser 22 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Anyone near Lydd Airport?
marko-99 26 Nov 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This was spotted on Tuesday 25th Nov. It has lost its delivery plates I notice, strange it is on the "M" prefix.
G-MCG "A" to "G" registrations are on S92 Aircraft, anybody know what - H - J - K - L - are on? Maybe they are reserved for yet to arrive S92 aircraft, as that would bring the total to 11 (A to L on S92) ( M to W on AW189)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tink_norfolk/15878235072/in/pool-helicopterph...
OP Jim Fraser 26 Nov 2014
In reply to marko-99:
Yes. There are 7 x S-92 and 4 to come. Then there are 11 x AW189.
Post edited at 15:03
OP Jim Fraser 05 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

FREE HARDWARE FOR "PLAN B2"

This AW139
http://s14.postimg.org/s53ncsfht/image.jpg
could be our new best friend instead of the contracted aircraft type, the AW189.

The example in the photo was registered in the UK on Tuesday and its only possible purpose is as a stand-in for the AW189 at Inverness. This will happen if the certification process for the AW189-SAR continues to drag out. Another of the same is expected.

Registration Details
Mark: G-CIJX Current Reg. Date: 02/12/2014 Previous ID: NEW ITALY
Manufacturer: AGUSTAWESTLAND SPA Type: AGUSTA AW139
Serial No.: 31579
EASA Category: CS-29: Large Rotorcraft
MTOW: 6800kg
Year Built: 2014
Registered Owners:
BRISTOW HELICOPTERS LTD, FORTIES ROAD, DYCE, ABERDEEN, AB21 0NT

Clearly, this aircraft type has insufficient rear cabin space to fulfil the contract requirements with respect to a 'Standard MRT Load'. It also has insufficient space for reliable intensive medical intervention during long flights from offshore locations.


(An American-built AW139 has also been registered in the UK to Bristow during the last couple of weeks and the full registration process is due to be completed the week after next. It is not known if that aircraft is SAR spec.)

OP Jim Fraser 05 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Just hit 10,000 views. Clearly, somebody still cares about this subject so I shall keep posting.
 Welsh Kate 05 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Please do keep posting, Jim, it's really useful (as well as interesting!)
marko-99 05 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks Jim, keep posting. Probably lots of people reading this will be working with this these aircraft in the very near future (including both myself and you) but some will not be members on this forum so cant post.
OP Jim Fraser 05 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Other arrangements for an AW189 stand-in have been suggested.
Post edited at 18:02
OP Jim Fraser 08 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

News of progress at the St Athan base that will replace RMB Chivenor. Two AW189 are due to start operating from St Athan on the 1st October 2015.


http://bristowsar.com/index.php/ceremony-marks-construction-work-on-new-sea...

http://walesairforum.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/ceremony-marks-construction-w...
OP Jim Fraser 10 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The CAA is moving forward with Rules of the Air for Search And Rescue flights. Here is a recent CAA permission about operating in reduced minima for Visual Flying Rules.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4No1070.pdf

I shall not be surprised if there are one or two more of these between now and April.
 butteredfrog 11 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Hi Jim

As the situation stands at the moment, what's the timeframe for phasing out the Sea Kings?

Cheers Adam
OP Jim Fraser 11 Dec 2014
In reply to butteredfrog:

You'll find a reminder of the project's implementation timetable above at the following address.
www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7853480

In summary, military SK flights are due to stand down in phases from midnight 31st March 2015 to midnight 31st December 2015.
 Jon Wickham 11 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Kinloss rescue co-ordination centre closure announced
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-30434422
 Welsh Kate 11 Dec 2014
In reply to Jon Wickham:

No surprise really.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Dec 2014
In reply to Welsh Kate:
> No surprise really.


Very true. One of the sadder days in British SAR history as far as I am concerned.

Probably best when an Aeronautical Co-ordination Centre is in the hands of those who know about Aeronautics, about Rescue, and about Co-ordination.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/303106-mod-plans-to-close-kinloss-rescue-coordi...
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/snp-anger-as-mod-moves-rescue-...
http://www.forres-gazette.co.uk/News/Job-losses-possible-as-Kinloss-ARCC-cl...
Post edited at 18:31
 Carolyn 11 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I certainly hope their replacement manages to maintain the cool as a cucumber attitude, always managing to sound utterly relaxed when it's clearly a somewhat busy day.......
OP Jim Fraser 12 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
I am not sure how this is going to go during the next three and a half months except that the full service that Bristow has signed up to providing will shortly have to be acknowledged not to arrive on time. What will arrive is a complete service at Lot 1 (S-92) bases. At Lot 2 (AW189) bases, the complete service as specified by the DfT will not be available at the start of the contract.

It is understood that the SAR AW189 will be certified by EASA in time to start in April. However, if that happens then there is now only an extremely limited chance of it having the full contracted capability. Icing protection has already been mentioned above and that may be a larger part of the shortcomings than previously anticipated. The additional long-range fuel system project seems to be less than successful and the endurance/range and weight specifications may cause problems. It has already been discussed elsewhere on the internet that Performance Categories are a problem for the 189 pending further trials and clearances. Although some see this PC matter as partly a paper problem, the weight issues amplify it and make it more of a real world issue for some time into the future.

A mix of what I described above as Plan B1 and Plan B2 is now more likely. That would mean that both AW139 and S-92 might be required to fill the gaps left by the partially certified and effectively overweight AW189.

As many as four AW139 might be provided by Agusta Westland. That says at least two bases will start without AW189 and pending its availability with the right level of capability. I can see there will be a lag too in the crew training as Bristow play catch up.

What needs to be understood is that although the general public think that the purpose of this contract is public safety, for many, the purpose of this contract is also to provide the helicopter industry in the south west of England with a completely fresh start. That fresh start is supposed to be as more of a maker of civilian helicopters: a role that has always eluded Westland in the past. The AW189 is expected to be step one of this transformation from MoD benefit scrounger to commercial starlet.

Some of you may remember that trying to keep Westland afloat nearly brought down the Thatcher government in the late 80s and resulted in the resignation of two prominent cabinet ministers. One of the other prominent players in that game was a fellow called Alan Bristow. The government has ploughed millions into the company in recent years to help generate this change including in the AW189's development.

Presumably to help them steer clear of trouble, Agusta Westland employ former Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon as Managing Director International Business. Parent company Finmeccanica has recently brought heartache to Westland by getting caught bribing Indian government officials to buy Agusta Westland's Merlin. Two Finmeccanica directors have recently been jailed for false accounting. So there you have it: no bribery and corruption, just a mistake in the books.

What needs to be remembered is that over-optimistic project management is standard issue with new helicopter types. The S-92 was 10 years from announcement to certification and would never have been a SAR aircraft if the fuselage design of the original prototypes had not been changed. Agusta Westland's own AW139 is now in successful SAR service around the world although significant problems were experienced during its introduction with HMCG at Lee on Solent.

So where is this going? We are still heading for world-class aircraft, world-class equipment and world-class crews. Even with the necessary stand-in aircraft, this contract will bring a increase in aircraft capability. The S-92 and AW139 are mature SAR platforms. Even though the AW139 has a small cabin, for many jobs this will not mean a decrease from the current capacity. The Sea King's carrying capacity when fuelled-up, on a warm day, in still air, and significantly above sea level, is often only three rescuers with their rucksacks anyway. I expect some MR teams will love the AW139 while others will not. There will be some capability droops with the new aircraft and equipment, just as there is with any new system of work. A few flights will repeat that experience when they switch to AW189. What we can expect to happen then is that the crews will build their experience in a way that only a portion of military aircrew did. These are now career jobs and not a three year tour. We can expect excellent performance once the crews have learned how to fully exploit the new aircraft, new regulatory framework and new role equipment.


La oss gå flyr
Post edited at 01:16
 butteredfrog 12 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks Jim

Interesting to read your positive and informed opinion. It makes a refreshing change from the doomsayers.

Cheers Adam
OP Jim Fraser 12 Dec 2014
In reply to butteredfrog:
One of the most important things about assessing this change is to realise that the yellow paint is not a magic potion.

Then think about what would have happened if we had bought new aircraft for the RAF and RN. Does anyone believe that would go smoothly, or arrive on time, or with kit that worked, or without somebody making stupid money in profits? No chance. You know the routine: defence overspend, excessive lateness, out of date before it arrives, politicians mired in scandal over relations with defence industry lobbyists, calls for public enquiry. The usual.

So think about that scenario, nice cup of tea to wash down the chill pill, and compare that scenario with where we are now. Not so bad really is it?
Post edited at 19:34
OP Jim Fraser 15 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:


The second of the first pair of AW139 arrives. G-CIJW.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8567/15386899223_f986941076_c_d.jpg

Interesting ownership details. It shows chartered and Bristow. It is understood to be provided by AW at their cost (no corroborated). Either there is not a CAA category for that or there could be a third party or token charges.

Mark: G-CIJW
Current Reg. Date: 11/12/2014
Previous ID: NEW ITALY
Status: Registered
Aircraft Details
Manufacturer: AGUSTAWESTLAND SPA
Type: AGUSTA AW139
Serial No.: 31571
Aircraft Class: HELICOPTER
EASA Category: CS-29: Large Rotorcraft
Engines: 2: 2 x PRATT & WHITNEY CANADA PT6C-67C
MTOW: 6800kg
Year Built: 2014
Approved Maint. Programme: None
CofA / Permit: EASA Certificate of Airworthiness
EASA ARC Expiry: 10/12/2015
Validity Reference: 067269/002/002
Owner Details
Ownership Status: Chartered
Registered Owners: BRISTOW HELICOPTERS LTD, ABERDEEN, AB21 0NT

OP Jim Fraser 18 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/stop-gap-sar-helicopters-arrive-a...


Largely what UKCers already know but one or two new details.
OP Jim Fraser 21 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Happy Christmas Bristow! New S-92A, G-MCGH and G-MCGI, were registered on Friday. So there are now nine SAR-spec S-92A in the Bristow fleet out of an expected total of eleven.

What are those nine aircraft for? Let's have a look at how that would fit into the plan for S-92 at the five Lot 1 bases.

2 a/c are operational at Sumburgh
2 a/c are operational at Stornoway
1 training a/c at Stornoway
2 a/c for Humberside starting training 5th January and operations 1st April 2015
2 a/c for Caernarfon starting training in April and operations 1st July 2015

Later, we can expect another two aircraft for Culdrose which becomes operational on 1st January 2016.

Ah, but wait a minute. What if S-92A are needed for Inverness now: at least temporarily? So if AW189 SAR certification is say a year late, in October 2015, then there are now aircraft arriving that can provide a programme for Lot 2 (AW189) bases as follows.

INVERNESS
Start training period in Jan 2015 and operational Apr 2015 with 2 x S-92A. If AW189 are ready Oct 2015 then these S-92A are available to move to Culdrose for the training period before becoming operational Jan 2016.

WATTISHAM (vicinity of)
Start training period in Apr 2015 and operational Jul 2015 with 2 x AW139. If AW189 are ready Oct 2015 then it will still be some months before they arrive here. The transition-in is designed for only two bases at a time and there will not be enough resources to change over right away, especially with the extra training load of three aircraft types. Expect AW189 in early 2016.

ST ATHAN
Start training period in Jul 2015 and operational Oct 2015 with 2 x AW139. If AW189 are ready Oct 2015 then again it will still be some months before they arrive here. The transition-in is designed for only two bases at a time and there will not be enough resources to change over right away, especially with the extra training load of three aircraft types. Expect AW189 in early to mid 2016.

PRESTWICK
Highly likely to receive AW189 from the start when the training period starts here Oct 2015 in preparation for operations from Jan 2016. If AW189 does not make it in time for Prestwick then the excrement will really be hitting the ventilating device in a very messy and expensive manner.

LEE-ON-SOLENT
Way way out there in 2017. Beyond the radar range of this problem.


But I'm making this up, right? Correct. However, try doing the arithmetic. I expect other potential solutions are not going to be wildly different. If you can see a solution that is wildly different then please let us all know.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

As a correspondent rightly points out, for Culdrose, read Newquay.


(As RAF St Mawgan, Newquay last saw an operational SAR helicopter in 1974 though it was the SAR Force HQ and training base as late as 2008.)
drmarten 22 Dec 2014
In reply to Jon Wickham:

> Kinloss rescue co-ordination centre closure announced


This tidies things up, the aeronautical Distress and Diversion cell at Prestwick was closed last year, that role is now being carried out from Hampshire. I think money is playing a bigger role in these decisions that it should.
drmarten 22 Dec 2014
In reply to drmarten:
Of course the above should read -
I think money is playing a bigger role in these decisions than it should.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Maybe a better Christmas for Bristow than expected.
Post edited at 17:28
OP Jim Fraser 22 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A fascinating piece from Hansard in 1971. Mr Jeremy Thorpe.

"The Department of Trade and Industry is involved because the coastguard comes within its responsibility. The Ministry of Defence is involved because at present it carries out these responsibilities in certain parts of the country. The Home Office is involved because inland rescue comes under its responsibility. Instead of having a two-year delay between the phasing out of the R.A.F. helicopter unit and the introduction of the civilian service, as we had at Manston, the Government should have a plan so that some form of air/sea rescue may move in immediately R.A.F. stations close.

I would like, therefore, either an interdepartmental inquiry between the Ministries involved or an independent one-man commission or committee to report to the Government. There is no question about the importance of the matter. I know that the Government realise the importance of it, and if this debate has the effect of prodding them along a little faster towards solving the problem and producing a firm and concerted policy, it will have been useful."
OP Jim Fraser 22 Dec 2014
In reply to drmarten:
> I think money is playing a bigger role in these decisions than it should.


Really?

Which of the three Westminster Constituencies concerned is a normally safe Tory seat during hard electoral times?
Post edited at 23:50
N Owen, Team Leader, LAMRT 23 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Training commences for Lake District teams with aircraft from Humberside in January and continues through until it becoming operational in April
OP Jim Fraser 23 Dec 2014
In reply to N Owen, Team Leader, LAMRT:

> Training commences for Lake District teams with aircraft from Humberside in January and continues through until it becoming operational in April

I think some Keswick guys have done some S-92 stuff with us at Kintail.

Make sure you immerse yourselves in the downwash issue. Get your safety specs on and get them to hover over a safe bowl in a hillside so that you can barely stand up in the airflow. Then practise highline stuff with winchie and stretcher until you are all knackered. Never any surprises after that.

'Train hard, fight easy.'

Great aircraft. Remember all that power is keeping you safe in the air.

See how you get on asking for night work.


drmarten 23 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Oh I dunno Jim, I'm guessing it's not Prestwick?
I'm also wondering if there is another country in the Western world (standfast Wales and NI) that has so little search, rescue and location infrastructure based within it's own borders?

OP Jim Fraser 23 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> Maybe a better Christmas for Bristow than expected.


Indeed it is!

EASA certification of the SAR version of the AW189 was completed yesterday. AW issued a press release today announcing it.
http://www.agustawestland.com/news/aw189-sar-variant-achieves-easa-certific...

It is not yet up on the TCDS part of the EASA website.
http://easa.europa.eu/document-library/type-certificates?search=&date_filte...

Once it appears on the EASA website, there may be clues to the range of features included and the performance, limitations and equipment. There are concerns that the push to get this aircraft into service on time means that some features will not be ready and will become available later.

As we already know, G-MCGM is complete, registered and available in the UK. Delivering this aircraft to Bristow in time for it to be available for training in January is now possible.

Not completely out of the woods yet.
Post edited at 19:35
marko-99 23 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I dont see a mention of its de-icing capabilities. Has this been left off, as to speed up certification?
OP Jim Fraser 23 Dec 2014
In reply to marko-99:

> I dont see a mention of its de-icing capabilities. Has this been left off, as to speed up certification?

This is one of the features that may not be available during the earliest part of the aircrafts service life. We already know that Full Ice Protection System (FIPS) will not be ready from the start. FIPS is expected to include icing sensors, heated windscreen, heated air intakes and heated rotor blades.
However, there are concerns that the Limited Ice Protection System (LIPS) could also be incomplete. Once the certificate is up on the TCDS part of the EASA website there may be some clues. In any case, I would expect to learn more about this during the coming weeks.

Note that the AW139 started in UK SAR service in 2007 and FIPS was not certified until 2010.

You may be aware that icing conditions are not the Sea King's strong suit.
marko-99 23 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> You may be aware that icing conditions are not the Sea King's strong suit.

And thats why I asked, we were sold the story of how much better the 189 was over the Sea King, and one of these plus points was the 189`s Full Ice Protection System. Dont get me wrong, I believe the 189 will be a very capable SAR Helicopter but feel a bit short changed if the FIPS is missing, especially as you pointed out it took 3 years for it to be fitted and certified on the 139. On that note, will the FIPS on the 189 be the same as the FIPS on the 139? If so, then certification should be very quick should it not or is that just wishful thinking?
OP Jim Fraser 23 Dec 2014
In reply to marko-99:

So imagine that you buy half a dozen new Titanium ice screws for silly pounds sterling. Then you go out and try to use them and they are rubbish. Oops, the maker never tested them on THAT particular type of ice because it didn't naturally occur that winter and could not be created artificially.

Do you see where this is going?

Yes. If they don't get proper winters with proper icing conditions then you don't get your FIPS certified.

Some believe that the absolutely tightest timetable for FIPS certification would have seen it completed in 2015 but probably not by the 1st of April.

marko-99 24 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I understand what your saying Jim, and its best to take time on these matters and get it right.
Any word on how far away the AW189 Airframes are, that are getting built at Yeovil?

Merry Christmas to everyone on the forum, take it easy and dont worry about H-SAR for a couple of days at least!
OP Jim Fraser 24 Dec 2014
In reply to marko-99:
> Any word on how far away the AW189 Airframes are, that are getting built at Yeovil?

I have no recent info on this. In late spring, the delivery of the first Yeovil AW189 was expected to be a couple of months behind the first Vergiate example. Since the first one appeared 4 weeks ago then late January would be a good bet. However, I should probably just ring them up and ask them after the holiday.


> ... dont worry about H-SAR for a couple of days at least!

Easy for you to say!
Post edited at 20:19
OP Jim Fraser 25 Dec 2014
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Not completely out of the woods yet.


Fingers crossed that what is acceptable to EASA is acceptable to the CAA and acceptable to Bristow.

Oops, I think I forgot somebody. Did I forget somebody on Christmas? Oh yes, the DfT. Sorry Neil.


Heavens, this is complicated isn't it?
OP Jim Fraser 27 Dec 2014
In reply to marko-99:

> Any word on how far away the AW189 Airframes are, that are getting built at Yeovil?


MADE IN ENGLAND.

Registration Details
Mark: G-MCGN
Current Reg. Date: 23/12/2014
Previous ID: NEW UK
Aircraft Details
Manufacturer: AGUSTAWESTLAND LTD
Type: AGUSTA AW189
Serial No.: 92001
Aircraft Class: HELICOPTER
EASA Category: CS-29: Large Rotorcraft
Engines: 2
MTOW: 8600kg
Total Hours:
Year Built: 2014
Owner Details
Ownership Status: Owned
Registered Owners: AGUSTAWESTLAND LTD, LYSANDER ROAD, YEOVIL, BA20 2YB

OP Jim Fraser 02 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW189

Whatever happens here in the next 12 months, there has been good news for the future of the AW189 widely announced during the last two or three days. The Russians want 160 of them and this involves a Joint Venture eventually manufacturing in Russia.

It secures the future for the AW189 by putting more aircraft out there and from a range of manufacturing centres. This is rather like the history of the Sea King.

Russian helicopter manufacture could do with a shot in the arm. Although they have produced more helicopters than anyone else, unfortunately, more of them have hit the ground very hard. During the last few years they have worked hard to get some of their aircraft certified in North American and European jurisdictions and that effort has elevated standards. This sort of deal should help the modernisation process along.

The downside is that it is a risk for AW if the Russians do not operate or manufacture to good standards and it ends up with AW aircraft hitting the ground hard. Another downside may be for the folks at the Swidnik factory in Poland who probably saw Russia as their market.
OP Jim Fraser 04 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Time is passing and soon other operators will be looking at the AW189 for SAR contracts. Whether its the demise of Alouette and the Lama or the end of the line for sad old S-61 and Sea King airframes, people are looking at the new generation of aircraft for SAR solutions. As 21st century Sea Kings go, the AW189, which has beaten its modern competitors to market, is the pretty close in weight class and payload.

Six months from now or a fortnight from now you will see other players in this game but they will have been talking to AW for a long time. Another influence upon the development and deployment of the AW189 SAR version will be interesting to watch.
N Owen, Team Leader, LAMRT 04 Jan 2015
marko-99 08 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Whats happening at Inverness Jim? 5th of Jan was the start date for training with assets. Are there S92 Airframes up there now?
I believe the second AW189 (G-MCGN) is still a few weeks away even though it has been registered. Has anyone had any invites from Bristow Inverness for SAR training?
 richprideaux 08 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I saw this the other day, intended to post it then forgot:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-work-new-7m-search-8...

Nothing groundbreaking but adds to the overall resource of the thread I suppose...
OP Jim Fraser 08 Jan 2015
In reply to richprideaux:

> Nothing groundbreaking but adds to the overall resource of the thread I suppose...

Correct.


All of these are pretty much identical buildings so this looks just the same as what is at Inverness.
OP Jim Fraser 08 Jan 2015
In reply to marko-99:
During January there will be training meets at Humberside and Inverness where representatives of MR and other 'ground/maritime emergency service personnel' do the training and learn about the new service before the training is rolled out to all team members.

At the Inverness meet one would expect to have it confirmed that initial operations will be S-92.

=============

Although certified by EASA, we do not know yet whether the AW189 SAR is acceptable to the CAA, Bristow and the DfT. AFCS SAR modes, ice protection, range, payload, performance class and EMC are areas that SAR fliers and their engineers will be interested in.


AFCS - Automatic Flight Control System
Ice Protection - LIPS, FIPS
EMC - Electro-Magnetic Compatibility, mainly in the radio fit
Post edited at 19:39
 drunken monkey 09 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, whats the progress with NVG capability for the Bristows guys?
OP Jim Fraser 09 Jan 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

There have been jobs this winter when, as has been the case for years, it has been way past their bedtime and a yellow one came out to take over.

Of course, on April Fool's Day, some things will change.

It is known that the ITAR security associated with night vision equipment has been a problem for Bristow at some locations. As I am sure you are aware, there are some SAR helicopter bases where airport security mainly involves keeping sheep off the runway. One might speculate that the ITAR security aspect of NVG implementation may itself obstruct free communication about the state of preparations for NVG ops. The MCA stated a few months ago that work continues toward regulatory approval. S-92 have been seen flying around at night and there have been some internets posts alluding to NVG training. Overall, not much positive information but nothing negative in relation to MAIN contract preparations.

Although it is particularly annoying for those of us in the north-west to be dealing with this two-tier SAR service, it has to be recognised that it is not all down to the contractor. The aircraft that become operational in April will be the first UK civilian SAR aircraft with a full NVIS capability so this is new not only for Bristow but new for the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and new for the UK aviation industry. The customer bears considerable culpability for the absence of this capability so far. One might imagine MCA management not shedding a single tear if press and public lay any shortcomings at the contractor's door.

The greatest problem for service users is expected to be that Stornoway remains on the GAP contract, without a contractual requirement for low light capability, until 30 June 2017. This appears to mean that from April, Inverness takes over as Stornoway's night-shift 'carer' instead of Lossiemouth. This is the same Inverness that is starting up with the wrong aircraft and must go through the extra pain of changing from S-92 to AW189. It is not hard to conclude that there is no shortage of things that can go wrong.

The draw of the north-west on dark winter nights sixteen hours long can mean that the greater part of the North Sea will be covered only by Humberside.

It remains possible that we will all be pleasantly surprised by an early adoption of NVG at Stornoway.
 ScraggyGoat 09 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

'The draw of the north-west on dark winter nights sixteen hours long can mean that the greater part of the North Sea will be covered only by Humberside'

Or less likely, and conversely
with night time simulataneous incidents in, or a single incident multi SAR-H tasking to the North Sea, the Highland/Scottish MRTs may be spending more time with thier casualties.

For what it's worth (probably very little), i think the the gap craft will be upgraded, just a question of when.

But overall it's Same old, same old ........ a rescue bird can only be in one place at one time. The new contract has less bases with faster, longer endurance, better equipped birds, which is great for the caz its flying towards...........so long as there is no top-trump re-tasking enroute, and just don't ask about incident number three or four on the list.

So remind me about "the ability to surge" again
OP Jim Fraser 09 Jan 2015
In reply to ScraggyGoat:

The Bristow surge map shows how every part of the UK mainland is covered by between 4 and 7 helicopters (not including the spare at each base), except ... eh ... em ... the Ben Nevis area which is only covered by 3.

(Not expecting Sumburgh at Kintail any time soon.)

Let's not forget that the contractor is not tasking these aircraft. Also, that when availability all goes badly wrong, as happened during the Colwyn Bay incident in 2012, when Valley were off-line and Prestwick then broke a winch, a third base turned out to finish the job and it all ended well.
 drunken monkey 12 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Hi Jim thanks for the reply. Yeah I'd heard from a friend that the recent job in Torridon involved....lets say.....R100 AND R137....

I hope that Bristows/whoever can get this sorted asap. The guys need time to train with this equipment which wont happen overnight.

As an aside - Been some incredible flying in the recent jobs on Ben Nevis and in the Cairngorms by R177 and R137.
OP Jim Fraser 12 Jan 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

> Hi Jim thanks for the reply. Yeah I'd heard from a friend that the recent job in Torridon involved....lets say.....R100 AND R137.... . I hope that Bristows/whoever can get this sorted asap. The guys need time to train with this equipment which wont happen overnight.

"The customer bears considerable culpability for the absence of this capability so far. "


> .... Been some incredible flying in the recent jobs on Ben Nevis and in the Cairngorms by R177 and R137.

Not news.

OP Jim Fraser 12 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
BRISTOW SAR - SIKORSKY S-92A - 20150111

G-MCGA to G-MCGD are operational on the GAP contract.

G-MCGE is at Humberside (HUY) which starts training this month and is operational from 1st April 2015. Flying around the North York Moors and hovering over little pretend hills.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7509/16068199299_f33a8e996d_c_d.jpg

G-MCGF and G-MCGG are at Stornoway (SYY) [the S-92 training base] and flying around the Minch near Stornoway.

G-MCGH and G-MCGI are believed to be still at Dyce (ABZ) for engineering work. Can anyone confirm this?
Post edited at 19:13
 drunken monkey 13 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Is news to me - And i'm sure the troops on the ground appreciated not having to carry the stretcher out in those conditions as you can fine well relate to.
OP Jim Fraser 15 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> BRISTOW SAR - SIKORSKY S-92A

> G-MCGH and G-MCGI are believed to be still at Dyce (ABZ) for engineering work. Can anyone confirm this?


In fact, these aircraft left Southampton and flew to Aberdeen on Monday evening.
 Jon Wickham 17 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Photos from some of the first MRT/Bristow training sessions on Wasdale MRT's and Cockermouth MRT's Facebook pages:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cockermouth-Mountain-Rescue-Team/59059923762...
https://www.facebook.com/WasdaleMRT

Looks like there was a film crew there as well.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Jan 2015
In reply to Jon Wickham:

Border ITV report about the Bristow Humberside visit to the Lakes today.
http://www.itv.com/news/border/update/2015-01-17/mountain-rescue-team-helic...



Training with Bristow Inverness is delayed.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I know nothing about the relative merits of the latest generation of helicopters, but recently in Houston Texas I was very surprised to discover that the emergency medical services were using Airbus helicopters and not an American make (such as Augusta, Bell, Boeing or Sikorsky).
OP Jim Fraser 17 Jan 2015
In reply to John Stainforth:
There are huge numbers of Airbus Helicopters/Eurocopter aircraft in the USA. The reason for their success is their maker's close attention to the needs of the commercial market and their low running cost. Larger American helicopter manufacturers are addicted to their routine fix from the US Dept of Defense and other government departments and agencies. If major companies are struggling then the Americans just start a war. Everyone from Pizza Hut to Sikorsky did well out of Afghanistan.

The S-92 just happens to be a very good fit for the DfT's contract technical specification for Lot 1. The AW189 is a good fit for the Lot 2 spec but there was also pressure from Government to use a British made aircraft. This is part of the effort to turn Westland (Agusta Westland , Yeovil) into a proper commercial company instead of retaining the American model where we have to start a war every time our people need more jobs.

As it turns out, the AW189 was really the only show in town. the EC175 would not have been ready either, would be even later and may have struggled with some aspects of the spec. Older aircraft would struggle with the spec.
Post edited at 21:40
OP Jim Fraser 19 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

As expected, the MoD's contract for Search & Rescue (SAR) and Support Helicopter services in the Falkland Islands will use the SAR version of the AW189. This is good news for the UK SAR Helicopter Service since another SAR user coming a couple of years after the UK contract award means that the aircraft will be an established SAR tool and its further development for SAR is probably assured.

The contract has been won by AAR Airlift Group, supported by the incumbent support helicopter contractor British International Helicopters (BIH) and Air Rescue Systems (ARS).
http://www.aarcorp.com/aar-awarded-10-year-search--rescue-contract-in-the-f...

Well done BIH.

It will be interesting to learn how the BIH spec differs from the Bristow spec.



ABOUT BRITISH INTERNATIONAL HELICOPTERS
British International Helicopters (BIH) is the UK’s largest domestically owned helicopter operator and the only British-owned company in the offshore sector operating in the United Kingdom. Part of the Rigby Group (RG), the parent company for a portfolio of privately owned and highly successful businesses operating across Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, British International Helicopters (BIH) operates a fleet of 25 helicopters and employs over 150 personnel.


http://www.aarcorp.com/airlift/
http://www.britishinternationalhelicopters.com/
http://www.airrescuesystems.com/
Post edited at 20:44
OP Jim Fraser 26 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Sikorsky S-92, registration G-MCGF, arrived at Inverness at the end of last week and is currently sitting in the new hangar.
marko-99 26 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I noticed it today Jim, sitting outside the hanger. Hanger looks all fixed now, but never noticed a second S92 inside.
Was also up at RAF Lossiemouth and noticed no sign of any Sea Kings (not even out on the pan) are they still on 15 minute notice for shouts? Them being inside a closed hanger all day would suggest to me they are not.
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jan 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> Was also up at RAF Lossiemouth and noticed no sign of any Sea Kings (not even out on the pan) are they still on 15 minute notice for shouts? Them being inside a closed hanger all day would suggest to me they are not.

Normal operational routine continues at D Flight and it will remain so between now and 31st March. New staff have continued to arrive to fill aircrew vacancies as necessary. Minor aspects of non-essential non-operational activity have been scaled down. Aircrew training and training with MRT continues as normal. Per Ardua Ad Astra.


> I noticed it today Jim, sitting outside the hanger. Hanger looks all fixed now, but never noticed a second S92 inside.

Only one S-92 is currently deployed to Inverness (G-MCGF). Only one S-92 is currently deployed to Humberside (G-MCGE).



Last week, Bristow acquired one new aircraft. It is an Agusta Westland AW189 SAR version, G-MCGM.
 Jon Wickham 27 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Do we know what the call signs for the new aircraft will be? I believe that existing Coast Guard aircraft seem to be the name of the base plus the aircraft type e.g. "Sumburgh S-92". It just doesn't have the same ring to it as 'Rescue Helicopter'!
 drunken monkey 27 Jan 2015
In reply to Jon Wickham:
Well Stornoway's callsign is Rescue 100, and Sumburgh are Rescue 102. So i'd guess it would be along those lines.
Post edited at 13:24
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jan 2015
In reply to Jon Wickham:
As drunken monkey says, current UK Coastguard branded aircraft are using Rescue 100 from Stornoway and Rescue 102 from Sumburgh.

Overall, it currently looks a bit like this.

RESCUE 100-106 HM-Coastguard-branded contractor SAR aircraft

RESCUE 110-118 Irish a/c
RESCUE 122-133 Seaking Flights (RAF)
RESCUE 137-139 Seaking Flight (RAF Lossiemouth)
RESCUE 169-171 Seaking (RAF Chivenor)
RESCUE 177-179 Seaking HMS Gannet
RESCUE 193-195 Seaking 771 Sqn (RNAS Culdrose)

These are only used when on a rescue task. On other occasions the callsign reverts to one describing the aircraft or its operator.

- Coastguard 100
- Helicopter 137
- Navy 177

New aircraft registration letters for the new contract were certainly assigned some time ago. It is likely that rescue callsigns have also been assigned in advance. If not then I am sure nobody is too bothered. There are plenty of numbers and making it up as they go along is what ARCC are really good at.
Post edited at 14:42
 Carolyn 27 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> New aircraft registration letters for the new contract were certainly assigned some time ago. It is likely that rescue callsigns have also been assigned in advance. If not then I am sure nobody is too bothered. There are plenty of numbers and making it up as they go along is what ARCC are really good at.

LOL - I'm glad I wasn't actually drinking my coffee whilst reading that last line, it'd have been messy - that's so true!
Post edited at 19:16
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jan 2015
In reply to Carolyn:

Shush Carolyn. The sentence started as a clear complement but was then fettled for ambiguity.

 Carolyn 28 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Making things up as you go along (or should we call it improvisation? Flexibility?) has its place - better than being completely locked into protocols, even when they're clearly inappropriate to the situation, like another organisation I'd better not mention!
 drunken monkey 28 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I dont get the wee dig at the ARCC?
OP Jim Fraser 28 Jan 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

Just playing with the it.

That 'Principle of War', Flexibility, is seen at its best in places like ARCC. Sometimes it does leave you thinking 'What the hell happened there?'
OP Jim Fraser 29 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The acceptance by Bristow of the first AW189 last week is a great step forward but we're not out of the woods yet. There are still hurdles to clear before the aircraft can enter SAR service.

It could be April, though that seems unlikely, but it could be next year.

OP Jim Fraser 30 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> ... ... ... The concept of an additional SAR Air Operating Certificate is gone.


Well maybe not.

The CAA position seems to have changed as they, like everyone else involved in this, learns how this new stuff can work. It IS better to be right than quick with this stuff so 'keep calm and carry on'.

So as believed at an earlier stage, there will be a Commercial Air Transport (CAT) Air Operating Certificate (AOC) and there will be a separate SAR AOC.

It seems to be still true, as posted above about CAP 999 version 2, that the Operator is responsible for making their case to the CAA about how they intend to perform the relevent task. The CAP is not prescriptive and therefore the onus is on the operator to anticipate and document every detail of the task involved.

This included things like flying with passengers without giving them a safety brief. That's why MRT and Aux CG and so on get pre-training. Some of this stuff might sound daft but those details are important. Then there are maintenance plans and rotorcraft flight manuals and airworthiness certificates for the aircraft involved. If man was meant to fly then we would have been given wings but the best we can do is the Civil Aviation Authority. Suck it up.

OK, so first we have a CAT AOC and can take off from Inverness and fly to Glenmore for training. What else? What about all that crazy SAR stuff?

Yes, all the stuff about flying close to obstructions, winching, special VFR minima, low flying, fuel states, dangerous goods, and much more. Well they have to go through the whole thing again with all that extra stuff to get a SAR AOC.

So there you have it. No, wait a minute. Some flights are not CAT and not SAR. Eh, em, er, what about flights that are Emergency Medical Services? If we pick a guy with head and chest injuries from a snowy motorway, are we going to fly him to hospital way up at WHAT HEIGHT? I hope not. Does that mean we also need a EMS AOC the same as an air ambulance? Well, I don't know. I'd like to know but I don't.

So Bristow haven't been saying much. They've been a bit busy right? No kidding.

The aircraft weighs 12 tonnes and the paperwork weighs HOW MUCH?
Post edited at 00:01
 Carolyn 30 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> The aircraft weighs 12 tonnes and the paperwork weighs HOW MUCH?

Oh do behave. That's a second close shave with the coffee......
OP Jim Fraser 31 Jan 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A Gold star for the poster who can spot the mistakes in this.
http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/bristow-scores-achievements-scot...
marko-99 01 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A Gold star for each mistake is it Jim?
I think I have 4 ...Ask me again on April the 1st and sadly it could be more...
OP Jim Fraser 02 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-MCGF from Bristow Inverness is heading for the hills. It has headed past Loch Glass behind Ben Wyvis and heading into the 'badlands' of the Northwest Highlands.

Have a good day chaps. There are certainly worse days for flying around the NW Highlands. Hope you took your cameras.
OP Jim Fraser 02 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thank you to all those who have maintained an interest in this subject and viewed this thread over 15000 times.

On UKC, we naturally have a particular interest in helicopter support for search and rescue in wild and mountainous terrain. However, that is clearly not the only part of the work of a UK SAR Helicopter Service. "Worse things happen at sea."

Portugal
vimeo.com/67010576

Iceland
youtube.com/watch?v=T6vzsY_nML8&

Norway
youtube.com/watch?v=UJ_CcZUSZuA&
vimeo.com/19906004
vimeo.com/75312703

Ireland
vimeo.com/14432548

UK
youtube.com/watch?v=LjzxjLt6eRc&
youtube.com/watch?v=JOuFDON8BtI&
vimeo.com/9401837
youtube.com/watch?v=2qcHNtpkJ2o&
youtube.com/watch?v=QnCRjcczYxI&
youtube.com/watch?v=AXZdDaoyIjA&

"it looks as though it could possibly turn into a biggie"
youtube.com/watch?v=gLLnTnCjmwE&

On a lighter note, they tell me that "all the nice girls love a sailor".
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media/royal%20navy%20responsive/images/news/e...
OP Jim Fraser 02 Feb 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> A Gold star for each mistake is it Jim?

> I think I have 4 ...

What school did you go to that was so free with the Gold Stars?

OP Jim Fraser 03 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
More about the ARCC move.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/cameron-confirms-a...

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/feb/kinloss-rescue-centre-closure...

Much though I regret this move, I do not support some of the campaigning against it. People are quite commonly taking the position that the move reduces the quality of the service in Scotland or in the north of Scotland. That may well be one of the results but the ARCC does not belong to one part of the UK. It belongs to one million square miles of the UK SRR, so we should consider the effect on the entire SRR.

It is possible that the resulting organisation will end up being closer the the JRCC model (Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre, as used in Iceland or Norway) though I wouldn't bet on it. However, in a country of any size or diversity, the JRCC model, just as with the previous UK ARCC, is best split into two or more locations. The Government are not doing that. Whether split or not, I take the view that those location should not be in major urban areas. I suggest that successful SAR management will be best served if staff are recruited from a largely rural area where self-reliance is a normal fact of life and everybody listens to the weather forecast.

Just as some folk from Forres may struggle with Mengham Rithe and wonder if they are being wound up if a job is reported at Nob's Crook, I am sure this will be as nothing compared to how folk from Fareham or Gosport will struggle with Sgurr nan Ceathramhnan and Gleann Gniomhaidh below it, or Pen Llithrig y Wrach, or Torpenhow. However, those of us in the Highlands or North Wales or Cumbria should recognise that the largest area of 'Very High Risk' for UK SAR is a row of blocks extending from Weymouth to Hastings. There is only one 'Very High Risk' block in Scotland and it covers mainly Renfrewshire. Almost the entire Kintail MRT area is covered by blocks that are 'Low Risk'. It would be too easy to dismiss the south coast high risk blocks as an anomaly caused by kids on air beds and yachting with Google Maps but those are not so different from the many equivalent SAR jobs on the hill.

The JRCC model used by Norway provides a desk for each organisation involved in SAR rather than one organisation trying to do everything when it doesn't have the variety of skill sets required. Joined-up thinking and joint working: often a bit of a struggle for Brits but it has to be done if you want the best outcome for the poor soul lying in the snow or bobbing about in the sea.

The Government are fixing the wrong problem with the wrong solution.
Post edited at 21:27
OP Jim Fraser 04 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
GG out night flying at Stornoway.
Post edited at 00:33
 Welsh Kate 07 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW139 in Coastguard colours recceing around Pont ar Daf, Neuadd Ridge and Fan Fawr at lunch time (standard places for locating some of our 'clients').
OP Jim Fraser 07 Feb 2015
In reply to Welsh Kate:
We'll make a plane-spotter of you yet!

Possibly G-CIJW
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55198703@N02/15386899223/
which for some reason does NOT appear on ADS-B. Maybe your new best friend.

GCIJX is the other one and it has been flying around Norwich during the last few days.

One of the possibilities is that G-CIJW is already making a new home at St Athan. However, that is very early for a contract start there on 1st October. Maybe just getting some hill time which is no bad thing. (G-MCGF from Inverness has been flying around Ben Wyvis and the Cairngorms during the last week.)


We need to watch out for changes in the programme. With no announcement for the Manston replacement to succeed Wattisham, it is possible that changes might be made to allow more time to sort that out. Of course, Norwich is not only a Bristow O&G base but the only operational AW189 base in the UK at present. Perhaps G-CIJX will stay at Norwich. 'In the vicinity of' Wattisham, so maybe that's the solution. Not perfect but workable.
Post edited at 17:05
OP Jim Fraser 07 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

It turns out that the one in the Brecon Beacons was CHC. There is an AIS track for G-SARD from Portland showing it out there today from 1215h to 1315h.

The latest Bristow fleet are on ADS-B, which is the way ahead for aviation tracking, while CHC are registered on both but no ADS-B track showing up for G-SARD.

http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=127074
http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1118572
 Welsh Kate 07 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for the info, Jim
OP Jim Fraser 12 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> ... ...

> It remains possible that we will all be pleasantly surprised by an early adoption of NVG at Stornoway.

News expected soon.


> ... ... 'In the vicinity of' Wattisham ...

Believed to be settled though not yet announced. Hopefully, news soon.
OP Jim Fraser 13 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

No sooner does one new helicopter turn up than another arrives. Here's one that slipped in under my radar during the last couple of weeks.

G-SASS, the Scottish Ambulance Service Air Wing's first new Airbus Helicopters EC145T2 (MBB-BK 117 D-2) has been delivered. The second aircraft is expected to arrive during the next few weeks. These will replace the two EC135 aircraft (Helimed 2 at Inverness and Helimed 5 at Glasgow) that are currently operated for SAS Air Wing by Bond Helicopters (and Gama Aviation).

"Both aircraft will be handed over to Bond’s Design and Completion teams at Gloucestershire Airport who will equip them with the appropriate medical, Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS) and communication equipment to make them fully functioning air ambulances certified for both day and night Helicopter Emergency Medical Service (HEMS). The aircraft will also be equipped to operate over water to enable the Scottish Ambulance Service to continue to reach island communities. Both aircraft are expected to begin operations with the Scottish Ambulance Service this summer."

The EC145T2 is the talk of the industry around the world because of its performance characteristics. In terms of Scottish Ambulance Service operations this means that even in some of the most extraordinary circumstances of taking off and landing at improvised and unsurveyed land sites, this aircraft will be able to operate safely.

It has more space inside for patient care and treatment, greater range, more speed, fenistron tail like the EC135, advanced avionics including 4-axis AFCS, 30 minute MGB run dry time, float kit, NVIS, de-icing, and improved crashworthiness.


Do I expect to see these picking up casualties in the hills?

No, not really. On very very rare occasions when conditions are good and a suitable landing site is identified, that could be appropriate.

I do expect them to be seen more often picking up casualties from the road-side in the bottom of the glen after a mountain rescue team has taken them off the hill. Night operations, in particular, will make that more practical.


http://helihub.com/2015/01/28/new-ec145t2-arrives-with-bond-air-services/
http://www.ukemergencyaviation.co.uk/G-SASS.htm
https://www.facebook.com/scotambservice/photos/a.322453601172580.76344.1561...
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&...
marko-99 14 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I`m puzzled, the Scottish Ambulance Service announce that they will be getting a new type of aircraft and will be fitting them for the first time with Night Vision Imaging, this is met with full positives, thumbs up!, brilliant!, about time!
On the other side of the coin, Bristow announce exactly the same for their SAR-H program. This is met with nowhere near the same enthusiasm, and questions about the kit, the value of it, the training given etc,etc.
Don`t get me wrong, I`m not accusing you Jim, or anyone on here of this aggression towards Bristow, but find it hard to work out as to why there is so many negative comments about Bristow on so many other forums.
 ScraggyGoat 15 Feb 2015
In reply to marko-99:

As far as I can see its a David and Goliath situation, the underdog gets the better of the doubt while it's acceptable to give David criticism. Bond, Bristows and CHC are the big three and thus are assumed fair game, with Bristows being the biggest, thus top of the podium for stone throwing. I think Bristows is being criticised for not having had NVG, despite the contract they fulfilled not requiring it, on the basis they are experienced enough to know better. Jim will point out that the civil servants should have felt the heat on this on as much as the contractor.

As you would expect the commercial pilots (non Sar) I have met from these companies have clear high personal standards, and furthermore some have been allowed in thier flying careers to gain decades of experience, rather been not forced out to desk jobs. If the same is true for Bristows Sar so much the better, time will tell. In short the individuals have the same capacity as the military, does the institution they are in let them reach that capacity......I'm not qualified to comment on that one.

The issue (regarding SAS and charity provided Air ambulances) from the little I know is tasking, I know one senior medic (whom I shall not identify) who has a cause for a good working relationship with ARCC, whom will in a very clear, rationale and evidence based manner outline his complete contempt for SAS tasking protocols (as opposed to crews). Knowing that he is a team player he will have given them (politely) the benefit of his observations over the last decade, to no avail.

Having good kit and crew is one thing, if it's not tasked in a timely manner to an appropriate incident, means it's devalued. One suggestion is for all helmed and charity air ambulances UK wide to have thier tasking strategy reviewed and possibly linked or taken over by ARCC, or controlled in conjunction with Ambulance dispatch. Obviously this mostly a side issue from search and rescue from remote and hostile (environment) locations which concern us as climbers, or MRT as first responders.

Though I have to agree, as a future NW highland resident (though fortunately and hopefully without needing to be, in proximity to an A&E), the ability of SAS aircraft to improve thier capability to pick up casualties from incident sites, or complete medical transfer recoveries to regional centres of excellence at times of darkness has to be welcomed.

Beggars can't be choosers, but Getting people to the right place, in the dark, in good time from outlying areas is hopefully a step closer.
OP Jim Fraser 15 Feb 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> I`m puzzled, the Scottish Ambulance Service announce that they will be getting a new type of aircraft and will be fitting them for the first time with Night Vision Imaging, this is met with full positives, thumbs up!, brilliant!, about time!

> On the other side of the coin, Bristow announce exactly the same for their SAR-H program. This is met with nowhere near the same enthusiasm, and questions about the kit, the value of it, the training given etc,etc.

> Don`t get me wrong, I`m not accusing you Jim, or anyone on here of this aggression towards Bristow, but find it hard to work out as to why there is so many negative comments about Bristow on so many other forums.


Yes. it's a funny old world.

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It is 62 years and a few days since the Fleet Air Arm and their Dragonflys rescued 840 people across East England and the Netherlands in feats of outstanding flying in tiny rudimentary helicopters. Those feats are still admired today in this age of highly trained specialist crews in large complex and powerful machines. Those events stamped the mark of helicopter search and rescue into the public imagination forever.

It is just under 62 years since the Royal Air Force started the world's first dedicated SAR helicopter squadron. Somebody painted them yellow.

It is about 22 years since an aircraft of the Royal Air Force's SAR Force performed the first UK helicopter rescue accomplished using NVG, in the mountains of the NW Highlands.

It is about 17 years since the National Audit Office highlighted the inadequacies of the Coastguard contracts and noted their reliance on back-up from SAR Force and the Fleet Air Arm. Uh-oh!

It is about 14 years since, quoting the NAO findings, a UK SAR working group wrote the UK SAR helicopter Provision and Coverage Report and noted the lack of DETR/CG data for inland incidents. Also that "both MCA and MoD considered it appropriate to look forward towards replacement aircraft during the coming 5 years". Really?

This year we shall witness the start of the first entirely-planned SAR helicopter service for the UK. It will be the first civilian UK SAR helicopter contract with a requirement for 'low light capability'. An end to British muddling though?

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Also:

It is 67 years and a couple of days since Mr Alan Edgar BRISTOW, on February 7th, 1948, succeeded in revictualling the keepers of the Wolf Rock lighthouse from the air, in a Westland Sikorsky S-51(Dragonfly), after efforts to send supplies by sea had failed. On the 25th May 1949, he was awarded the Silver Medal of the Royal Aero Club for this feat.

It is 66 years since Mr Alan Edgar BRISTOW succeeded in rescuing four injured French foreign legionnaires from the Vietnamese jungle under fire in a borrowed Hiller 360A running about 100 kilos over-weight. He was awarded the Croix de Guerre.

It is about 44 years since the first Coastguard helicopter contract with BRISTOW at Manston.

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The history of air ambulances is quite different. In particular, air ambulances as part of civilian health provision is a far newer concept than helicopter search and rescue. Regardless of funding or branding, aircraft have always been operated by a private helicopter contractor.

The Scottish Ambulance Service Air Wing have the most accomplished and integrated air ambulance service in the UK. Not for the first time, they are about to step up to another level of service. Bond have been the aircraft operator from the start. The service started as a six month trial in 1989 and has been continually developed in the incremental manner that is traditional safe and successful in aviation.

Elsewhere in the UK, air ambulances are run by charities. Some provide a vital service in difficult geography though others operate regardless of true operational need. They are often not well integrated with the rest of the health service. Some air ambulance charities are known more for bitching at each other than life-saving. The helicopter operator keeps his head down and doesn't get involved. Like military SAR, in spite of the chaos, the public perception is always highly positive.

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This reveals the real difference. If you engage enough in publicity, and journalists don't ask any serious questions, the British public are all yours.

Military SAR are quite open about their operations. At MoD level, SAR Force HQ and locally, they engage well with the media. They get journalists and camera ops out in their aircraft regularly. It's a huge image and communications success.

For the charity air ambulance types, publicity is how they exist. It is the staple of the corporate diet.

Bristow work under the HM Coastguard brand for MCA Aviation. ---- CENSORED ----.

Whatever hype the public have believed about MoD provision over the years and whatever inadequacies of government contracts have strangled effective MCA coverage, the poor contractor is prevented from defending himself and will have to carry the can for all the failings of others.


OP Jim Fraser 20 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:


A letter from the DfT confirms the Manston situation and a move to Lydd.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-31542599
OP Jim Fraser 26 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Service Launch at Humberside today.
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/UK-s-new-search-rescue-helicopter-service...


S-92A G-MCGH in the video at Humberside (in addition to G-MCGE) and G-MCGI seen at Inverness at lunchtime yesterday (in addition to G-MCGF).
 drunken monkey 27 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim - From a purely Scottish point of view. When do Prestwick and Lossie hand over to Bristows? And is there likely to be a gap in NVG capability whilst this happens?

I heard that Cairngorm MRT were at Inverness the other week and were told 2016 for NVG capability on Bristows cabs. Jobs like Lochaber's big one in coire eoghainn on the Ben the other night would potentially become a more serious and protracted undertaking if the Bristows assets are going to be reluctant to fly in the mountains at night.
drmarten 27 Feb 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

Bristow takes over at Prestwick 1st Jan 2016.
OP Jim Fraser 27 Feb 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

In preparation for an article that is expected to appear in Casbag edition 36 shortly, Bristow have recently given helpful answers to direct questions about NVG capability on MAIN contract aircraft and GAP contract aircraft.

The magazine will be available as usual on the SMR website.
http://www.mountainrescuescotland.org/
OP Jim Fraser 27 Feb 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

> ... ... When do Prestwick and Lossie hand over to Bristows? ... ...

See above including the post at the following address.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7853480
Delays in the AW189 SAR programme mean the service at Inverness will start with S-92A.


drmarten 28 Feb 2015
In reply to thread:

There is a 4 page article on the SAR Helicopter contract in the latest edition of Scottish Mountaineer, the MCofS magazine (I received mine this morning).


OP Jim Fraser 04 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Here is an indicator of where the UK contracts stand in a world context.

SHEPHARD's Rotorhub
Feb-Mar 2015

"AN EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW?
On a global level, the UK has probably gone furthest towards embracing the commercial SAR concept, with many other countries now looking closely at the mechanics of its contracts. In 2013, the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) awarded a £1.6 billion ($2.44 billion) ten year SAR contract to Bristow Helicopters. It will commence in September 2015, with 22 aircraft – 11 AW189s and 11 S-92s – and conditions include 98% availability and response times set at 15 minutes during the day and 45 minutes at night. On 19 January, the UK Ministry of Defence went a step further towards eliminating military involvement in SAR, announcing the award of a ten year £180 million contract for rescue and support services in the Falkland Islands to Illinois-based AAR Airlift Group, working with British International Helicopters (BIH). Two AW189s will provide cover, with a pair of S-61s acting in support."
OP Jim Fraser 10 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW189 news off Helihub.


Upper Michigan's Sawyer airport used for winter copter tests
17 Feb, 15

FORSYTH TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) — The U.S. Army and an Italian aerospace and military company are planning to carry out three months of winter icing testing for a commercial helicopter at Sawyer International Airport in northern Michigan's central Upper Peninsula.

The Army's Redstone Test Center's Aviation Flight Test directorate near Huntsville, Alabama, has sent a team to Sawyer to ice test the twin-engine AW189 helicopter. The group is working with an Italian flight operations team for AgustaWestland, maker of the twin-engine AW189 helicopter.

Preliminary test trials were conducted last year in Duluth, Minnesota. The icing trials allow the gathering of a large amount of data on the helicopter's performance. The goal of the testing program is to get Federal Aviation Administration certification of the helicopter's ice protection system.

The Army has expertise in simulating icing conditions with a modified CH-47D Chinook helicopter that is equipped with an icing spray system, Slepian said. The sprayed water creates an icing cloud that the AW189 flies through, and crew members then note the effects of the ice formed on the helicopter.

In recent days, the winter conditions have been a bit too wintry, with blustery snowfalls and temperatures dropping well below zero, said airport Manager Duane DuRay.

"The weather has not been favorable for what they need to do," DuRay said. "As soon as the weather cooperates, they're going to do their testing. ... Once they start testing, I think they're going to go out every day."



AW189 Certification Validated by the FAA
3 Mar, 15, Source: AgustaWestland

AgustaWestland today announced that the AW189 medium twin engine helicopter achieved FAA validation of its EASA certification, allowing deliveries and operations to begin shortly with customers in the United States.



AAR Signs Contract for Two AW189s for Falkland Islands SAR
4 Mar, 15, Source: Airbus Helicopters

AgustaWestland announced today it has signed a contract with AAR Airlift Group to provide two new generation AW189 helicopters to perform search and rescue in the Falkland Islands.

OP Jim Fraser 10 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
AW189 news in the P&J


https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/512963/north-sea-helicop...

Cracks found on two new North Sea helicopters – less than a year after they took flight
by Alison Campsie
7th March 2015

Cracks have been found on two offshore helicopters which have been in flight for less than a year. The Bristow operated AW189s are being repaired after concerns were raised during maintenance. Bristow has been using the craft to transport North Sea workers flying out of Norwich. It is understood that the operator is the first to use the craft manufactured by AgustaWestland. A spokewoman for Bristow said: “During maintenance, non-structural fractures were discovered in a non-load bearing area of the frame. “They are still safe to fly as the issue didn’t affect the structure of the aircraft.” It is understood that the fault was recorded around a fortnight ago. The spokeswoman for Bristow said the helicopters were due to return to service this week.




[Experienced helicopter operators say that cracking of some sort is inevitable as a new type beds in. SAR aircraft are likely to be more highly stressed that O&G aircraft but also their hours will be lower. We can expect that that engineering staff from Bristow SAR and AAR/BIH will be all over this problem in the next few weeks looking at the specific implications for SAR operations.]
Post edited at 22:41
OP Jim Fraser 13 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A Bristow SAR launch event will take place at Dalcross (INV) shortly.

OP Jim Fraser 14 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Flightglobal have published an article suggesting that the first UK-built AW189 (G-MCGN) will be formally delivered to Bristow in a few days.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/delivery-nears-for-first-uk-built...

They also mention the AAR/BIH deal and a possible HK GFS deal. They refer to the cracking problem on the O&G version and describe cracking of internal panels in the cabin.

Currently, G_MCGM is the only AW189 registered to Bristow and G-MCGN has been on the register since December registered to AW. During this week, AW have also registered G_MCGO/P/R/S/T which may account for the aircraft currently in build at Yeovil.
OP Jim Fraser 14 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Meanwhile, over at Sikorsky, S-92 development does not stand still.

http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/Sikorskyannouncesweightincreaseandn...
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Is there a direct impact to SAR operations of the extra 544kg?
OP Jim Fraser 14 Mar 2015
In reply to The Ex-Engineer:

> Is there a direct impact to SAR operations of the extra 544kg?

That's maybe four more fat fishermen winched off on the first run. Enough payload to carry them and enough extra fuel carried to give extra time in the hover winching them. In a mountain context, more MRT with big bags carried out to the search area on the first run.


The S-92 is American and therefore it is overweight.

Even its much admired little brother the S-70 Hawk has weight issues resulting in problems balancing fuel/payload with range. Anything that allows operation with greater payload potentially means greater range.

All UK SAR S-92 operates with an auxiliary fuel tank in the cabin, as its predecessor did, so range is clearly important. The reference to hot and high implies that there will be performance improvements and this is likely to mean improved single engine performance and greater safety in the hover. All good for SAR.

They also mention noise and vibration. The S-92 is noisy and has particular problems that have the potential to affect aircrew health. If major work is done on S-92 noise and vibration then one might expect these known problems to be addressed.

Bristow have been very progressive with their kit purchases for this contract but if a new S-92 package is available in 2017, it might be too soon to expect money to be spent on upgrades. We'll just need to wait and see if these are the kind of upgrades that will get absorbed into maintenance schedules.

OP Jim Fraser 14 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Not a lot of mountain flying showing up in the ADS-B tracks. Seventeen days to go.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
SIKORSKY on youtube
"A Dedication, Bristow UK Search and Rescue"
youtube.com/watch?v=tonnt9zZExg&


Like most of the recent publicity material: too many WETS. Nice video though.


The Kintail MRT video guide to 'dry' jobs and training:
- youtube.com/watch?v=w4fp78x1CxA& (Kintail MRT training with CG100, CHC S-92, 2011.)
- youtube.com/watch?v=o_xgGcIfHPQ& (Kintail MRT training with CG100, CHC S-92, 2008.)
- youtube.com/watch?v=9pqhxp6hY1U& (Cairngorm whiteout.)
- youtube.com/watch?v=7vpzo-cl_2Y& ( and Kintail MRT's Doctor in second 'wet' part.)
- youtube.com/watch?v=8iUZqFwox2I& (Note the classic John Prince comment "I'm just flying it.")
- youtube.com/watch?v=8jIrouD6TTI& (Avalanche - Kintail MRT.)



Any excuse to call Kintail 'dry'!
Post edited at 21:56
OP Jim Fraser 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This afternoon, an army of journos, a few mountain rescuers and a Coastguard flash mob gathered at the new Bristow hangar at Dalcross (INV) for the Bristow Inverness launch event.

http://hmcoastguard.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/inverness-search-and-rescue-heli...

http://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/314224-ceremony-to-mark-new-civilian-s...
(Glenelg and Kintail MRTs working hard in the background to spoil some of the shots. Sorry Sam )

I spent three hours there. For some of those present, it may have been a case of ooh look at the new toy. However, I think I have seen an Sikorsky S-92 somewhere before so I attended to other business.

I spent most of that time talking to Inverness SAR pilots and pilots who form part of the management team at Bristow SAR. My main concern was the regulatory framework. In 2012, my conversations with the CAA led me to believe that there was commitment within government and CAA to delivering a regulatory framework for life-saving flight that was workable for UK SAR in a service equivalent to previous providers. Today, I wanted to know whether the CAA has delivered the goods on those SAR flying rules. After conversations with several highly experienced flyers, I believe that the answer is that they have delivered.

I also spoke to people about previous civilian SAR contracts, about NVG, and about the AW189, incuding AFCS SAR modes, icing protection systems and NVG.

I spoke with pilots, Bristow management and MCA communications people about presenting more publicity with a mountain theme. In fact, I'd say I kept hammering it home. Their problem of course is that they do not yet get enough mountain work to generate footage of the gripping nature of the amazing fishing boat rescue that was recently screened again int hew Sikorsky video. Good training video would be useful and there should be some of that around already. If anyone has any good S-92 mountain training or mountain operational footage hiding on their camera card then lets see it!

36 pilots and 42 rear crew are moving to Bristow on Managed Transition. (So statistical estimate of 70 to 80 spot on.)

Bristow Inverness will operate with a really impressive proportion of former RAF Lossiemouth SAR aircrew both through Managed Transition and other routes. These guys know about mountains. Same faces, same service? Not quite. Several of them seem to be smiling a lot more now that they have seen the kit they will be working with. Less abandoning broken helicopters on mountains, less in-flight fire-fighting, less online gaming (due to aircraft offline!). So same faces, smiling more, four or five thousand shaft horsepower and the lots of super 21st century role equipment. Unlike a Sea King SAR hangar, the most sophisticated piece of equipment in the Bristow SAR hangar is NOT the entertainment system in the crew room.


The DfT and MCA are already thinking about how they will run the competition to replace this contract is 2023/26. Joined-up thinking and long-term planning in British public procurement: today's scoop! Remember where you heard it first folks.


 Boogs 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for keeping us up to date Jim it is appreciated . Cheers .
 Welsh Kate 17 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for the detailed update, Jim, definitely some positive news there!
 drunken monkey 18 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Shiny!
OP Jim Fraser 18 Mar 2015
In reply to drunken monkey:

> Shiny!


Shiny and sensitive (US CFR22 Parts 120 to 130).
OP Jim Fraser 18 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Photos disappearred again. Approvals issues on UKC again perhaps?
OP Jim Fraser 21 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Bristow Humberside seems good to go.

Crunch time for Bristow Inverness.

About now, decisions are bound to be due about whether the contractual and regulatory requirements are fulfilled and thus whether the bases are ready to go live. Though Humberside has the correct aircraft and had time to get training done, Inverness has been delayed by the storm damage and the AW189 is not ready. We should not underestimate the training load that the AW189 situation places on the company and the Inverness base in particular. The storm damage has placed additional pressure on the training schedule.

If SAR Helicopter service does not start from a Bristow base on time, will it be the end of the world?

No. The implementation of this contract is a project stretching across a period of over two years. Fundamentally, service will commence when it is safe to do so. Delay will entail expense and reputational damage for Bristow. Any such expense and reputational damage will be tiny compared to the potential cost of going ahead and operating unsafely.

Has any MCA helicopter contract been delayed before?

Yes. The 2007 to 2012 contract with CHC operating at four MCA bases used aircraft new to SAR at all of those bases and there were problems, especially with the AW139. AFCS SAR modes, icing protection systems. Eh? Hang on a minute ...


 Welsh Kate 21 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks as ever, Jim. Any idea of whether there's likely to be knock-on delays with the stationing & training on 189s at other intended bases? Specifically St Athan. Thanks
OP Jim Fraser 21 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:


'One little-appreciated factor is that what in the past appeared to be the finest mountain flying we have ever seen was probably an extremely stupid thing to do.'
OP Jim Fraser 22 Mar 2015
In reply to Welsh Kate:
> Thanks as ever, Jim. Any idea of whether there's likely to be knock-on delays with the stationing & training on 189s at other intended bases? Specifically St Athan. Thanks


There are currently 7 AW189 SAR version on the register with G-MCGM to G-MCGT registrations. Only G-MCGM is registered to Bristow and G-MCGN is said by some to be near acceptance and due to transfer to Bristow soon (not convinced). The remainder appear to represent the aircraft that Agusta Westland have in build at Yeovil.

Seven aircraft is enough for three bases. Those are Inverness (2 ops and 1 trg), Lydd and St Athan.

Another 2 aircraft are required for Prestwick (1st jan 2016) and Lee-on-Solent (1st April 2017).

No "knock-on delays" regarding aircraft supply. Availability of crews and the training load will determine how quickly it all rolls out once everything is approved.
Post edited at 00:32
 Gael Force 22 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This must get the prize for the most boring thread in the world..
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OP Jim Fraser 22 Mar 2015
In reply to Gael Force:

Prize accepted.


When may I expect your cheque?


If you understood how many news articles and internet fora threads full of pointless ignorant rubbish have been prevented by boring threads like this them you might not be so negative!
Post edited at 12:18
 Gael Force 22 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Good point...
 Welsh Kate 22 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for the reply, Jim. This may not be the most scintillating thread forum users have seen, but it's one of the most valuable for some of us!
OP Jim Fraser 23 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Unfortunately, the Royal Air Force has recently been attempting to shoot itself in the foot.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/shabby-fury-mod-cancel-fare...



(No amount of FP can overcome this level of stupidity.)
OP Jim Fraser 24 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I'd like to remind you of the situation we find ourselves in with respect to SAR aircraft as the contract commencement date approaches.

The Westland Sea King helicopter fleet operated by RAF SAR Force dates from 1978 (HAR3) and 1996 (HAR3A). The Fleet Air Arm SAR aircraft are HAR5 converted from HAS5 dating from about 1981. Many of these aircraft are approaching 40 years old and are of a type first flown in 1959.

At the time that these aircraft were entering SAR service, commercial helicopter companies and the civil regulator were unhappy with the already aging S-61, of which the Sea King is a variant, because of its inferior single engine performance being unsuitable for passenger transport. Since no alternative high performer was available on the market, this led to a new design variant of the Puma that eventually became the Super Puma. Meanwhile, in UK SAR, what was broadly the same airframe, with the same performance problems, played the role of the new improved type!

Like other British helicopters, mountains were not the Westland Sea King's strong suit. British helicopters have always been primarily naval weapons systems and therefore performance much above sea level has never been an important consideration. The Sea King, like its predecessor, will Hover Out of Ground Effect (HOGE) in standard conditions at a maximum of 3200 feet. It will not have escaped your attention that this is some way short of the magic number of 4416 feet. (It hasn't escaped the attention of those who wrote the tech spec for the new contract either.) Additionally, the single engine performance referred to above means that in circumstances of nearby obstructions, it often has to operate "COMMITTED". That call of "committed", is one often heard but probably rarely understood by MRT on the intercom across the decades. On a hot summer day with still air, getting search teams out on the ground has been a slow process as the Sea King thrashes its way through thin air with two or three rescuers on board.

Three things have conspired to make the Sea King a viable aircraft for SAR in British mountains.
- It is windy, and helicopters love a wee bit of wind. It provides translational lift.
- It is cold, and helicopters love a wee bit of cold. It provides dense air to push against.
- The floppy, carbon-based, ape-descended life-forms in the green onesies.

In the 1950s SAR helicopters were needed in all sorts of places to scoop aircrew from broke jets out of the sea. At an early stage, Bristol Sycamores were stuck on trucks and hauled off to the active station in preparation for fast jet training exercises. Within about three years a network of SAR bases had developed across most of Britain. This was at a time when helicopters, in spite of maker's claims on range and speed, struggled to make it a few dozen miles without breaking down and were no faster than cars. Acklington, Aldergrove, Boulmer, Brawdy, Coltishall, Chivenor, Finningley, Horsham St Faith, Leconfield, Lee-on-Solent, Leuchars, Linton on Ouse, Lossiemouth, Manston, St Mawgan, Thornaby, Thorney Island, Valley, and Wattisham have been used as RAF SAR bases. The Fleet Air Arm also maintained a SAR capability including home land bases. First in the early 1970s, and later across the 1980s, the Coastguard let contracts with a civilian contractor. More modern aircraft became more reliable and capable so fewer based were needed. Thus we arrived, through a succession of muddled improvisations at the twelve bases that are used today. The new contract is the first entirely-planned SAR helicopter service for the UK and uses ten bases.

In 1998, the MoD formed Joint Helicopter Command. A decision was made not to absorb SAR Force and the Fleet Air Arm SAR units into JHC. That may have been the moment when their fate was sealed. However, it has not been helpful that war-fighting in far off hot places has been the primary focus of the armed forces during intervening years. There was no chance of new aircraft for any purposes not directly connected with war-fighting and if somebody wanted to take the SAR task off their hands then senior service officers were going to be delighted. In 2001, the Provision and Coverage Report was done for the MCA and then in 2006 it was updated. For one reason or another, what was set in motion around 15 years ago stumbled repeatedly until this year a single civilian contract will commence implementation. The ridiculous backdrop to this event includes military helicopters coming out of our ears as they all return from the Middle East and the Navy preparing for carrier SAR provision.

With SAR aircraft that have nearly a forty year history in the role, crews have access to a huge pool of knowledge about how the ageing Westland Sea King behaves in almost any circumstances. Although the Sikorsky S-92 is a highly capable aircraft and has been in SAR service for eight years, the knowledge base is a mere splash compared to the Sea Kings vast pool. The regulatory framework for civilian SAR in the UK during that period has not been highly developed and that has further restricted the development of the S-92 SAR knowledge base. The knowledge base for the AW189, no matter how capable the aircraft, is a tiny droplet when measured on the same scale.

Modern training methods, experienced crews and the availability of simulators will make things easier but getting out in the wild and DOING IT counts for a lot and, in particular, nothing can replace the training hours on NVG. In the early stages, every SAR operation will be an important building block.

The most important thing to remember is that these factors affecting the introduction of new aircraft would have affected military units if we had bought the RAF and Fleet Air Arm new aircraft to replace the Sea Kings. In those circumstances, there would be no stimulant for upgrading the civilian SAR regulatory framework and the four MCA bases would continue operating with an overly-restricted regulatory regime, no mountain technical requirements and no NVG.





OP Jim Fraser 24 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

ADS-B shows that on Monday afternoon, the Bristow SAR second S-92A at Inverness, G-MCGI, which seems to have sat in the hangar for ages, was out flying.
OP Jim Fraser 24 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

"The UK SAR Helicopter Service: The Starter's Flag is Up!"
is an article at page 12 of Casbag 36 from the eMagazine page of the Scottish Mountain Rescue website.

http://www.mountainrescuescotland.org/online-casbag/


OP Jim Fraser 26 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> "The UK SAR Helicopter Service: The Starter's Flag is Up!"
> is an article at page 12 of Casbag 36 from the eMagazine page of the Scottish Mountain Rescue website.
> http://www.mountainrescuescotland.org/online-casbag/

Unfortunately, the first version uploaded does not have the credits and captions applied to the photographs. Credits are due to Bristow Helicopters Ltd, Cockermouth MRT and Bolton MRT.
OP Jim Fraser 29 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The Sea King: Britain's Flying Past
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r1z3g
29 days left to watch.


OP Jim Fraser 29 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:


AW189 PILOT PERSPECTIVE (AW, Mar2013)
youtube.com/watch?v=ruGylnAxW8s&

AW189 (AW, Feb 2014)
youtube.com/watch?v=d0WzM2nZRrQ&

Flying in the AW189 (Cabin video, Malaysia, Mar 2015)
youtube.com/watch?v=-3wKPq2xfR0&

AW189 Helicopter Test Flight, Arlington TX (Dec 2012)
youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6_NOAIzTI&

Flight Test: AgustaWestland AW189 (Vertical, Jan 2015)
vimeo.com/120512004
 Colin Wells 30 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks a lot for taking the time to post that Jim - it's the clearest exposition I've read anywhere about the reasons for the change, its implications - and potential teething troubles. Really appreciate it.

(Was out on the Ben on Wednesday and saw (and certainly heard) what - hopefully - may be the last rescue flight of the Paraffin Budgie thundering across after winching an unfortunate pal of Alan Halewood's from Italian Climb after being spat off by spindrift. An hour later and it was damn nearly us as well! Very glad to think they were still on station though - we'll miss them for sure).

Cheers, Col
 Tom the tall 30 Mar 2015
In reply to Colin Wells:
Just watched John Sergeant's hour long film about the sea king, worth a look but sadly no mountains. On iplayer, first screened bbc2 Sunday evening.
OP Jim Fraser 31 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Lossiemouth and Leconfield's last day.

Keep safe out there.


https://heavywhalley.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/the-last-day-and-farewell-to-...
OP Jim Fraser 31 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Definitely S-92 weather this week.
Bellie 31 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Anyone remember this..

https://www.youtube.com/show/rescue

A bit of nostalgia as we say goodbye to Rescue 137/138
Post edited at 13:58
OP Jim Fraser 31 Mar 2015
In reply to Bellie:

Remember? Aye. They filmed my first callout!
OP Jim Fraser 31 Mar 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Farewell to the Sea King
by: David 'Heavy' Whalley
http://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/page.php?id=7241
Post edited at 19:54
OP Jim Fraser 01 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Welcome to the new era.

You will have noticed that the changeover has taken place but the sky has not fallen in.

OP Jim Fraser 01 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Rescue 951: hot handover.
https://www.facebook.com/lochabermrt/photos/pcb.807787495937122/80778646927...

But it's not about helicopters. It's about the poor soul lying in the snow.



 chris_s 02 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

There's also an hour-long programme on the Sea King on BBC Radio Scotland on Saturday morning at 7am. Interviews with John Prince (mentioned above), climber and former pilot Graham Stein, Heavy, a couple of folk who have been rescued, plus the crew of Navy 177 on the day they attended the Rest and Be Thankful coach crash (just so happened we were recording with them that day, so we captured the whole incident from their point of view). It wasn't an easy job by any means as landing near the coach crash in high winds was extremely difficult.

For those outside Scotland you can listen live on the Radio Scotland website or here for 30 days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05p9ng4
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OP Jim Fraser 03 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Unfortunately, the Royal Air Force has recently been attempting to shoot itself in the foot.


> (No amount of FP can overcome this level of stupidity.)


Packed in the Drouthy Cobbler. A few old sar boys and mrt.

CAS hasn't turned up. Surely somebody must have told him it was on?



(News has reached us that while we were chatting over a few refreshments in Elgin, the fire service were called out in North Wales after a Squadron Leader's ears burst into flames.)
OP Jim Fraser 04 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Probably best when an Aeronautical Co-ordination Centre is in the hands of those who know about Aeronautics, about Rescue, and about Co-ordination.



Hansard. 1925. The Lords considering a Bill for the transfer of the Coastguard from the Admiralty to the Board of Trade.

"COASTGUARD BILL
LORD ABERCONWAY
... ... Another point which, perhaps, the noble Viscount will explain is this: On what system will appointments be made to the force if this Bill passes? At present appointments, I believe, are confined to naval ratings—petty officers of the Navy. Under this Bill the President of the Board, of Trade could appoint anybody—a superannuated gardener or chauffeur, or anybody without special training. ..."


Nothing new under the sun.
 James Edwards 05 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I was sat in my kayak a couple of miles of shore today reading an email with a pdf attachment about the new call signs for the new choppers when it swooped out of the sky and buzzed past.

I didn't realise that the new tech that they had included email intercept and reading screens from on high!
James
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OP Jim Fraser 07 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Vertical magazine interview the Sikorsky program director.
http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/AlookatBristowsUKSARSikorskyS92sasf...

The aircraft shown is in delivery condition and does not include the Bristow SAR interior fit. The seating arrangements are therefore temporary.

(When she refers to Hostile Environments, remember that in aviation regulatory terms, Hostile Environments includes all open sea at latitudes greater than 45 degrees.)

This and Sikorsky's heavy representation at the Inverness launch event can be taken as part of this contract's place on the world stage. This is an important event and the world is watching.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-MCGM (Bristow's sole AW189 SAR) was in the Brecon Beacons yesterday and now back to 'wets' off Cromer.

CG951 (Inverness S-92) was in the Southern Cairngorms and then Thurso this afternoon. No idea if it's training or a job. It was at the Southern General in Glasgow on Saturday which presumably was a hospital transfer: anybody know?
 Welsh Kate 07 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Yep, the 189 came in over Bridgend and up to the Beacons from there. We assume it got bored with the flatlands of Norfolk
marko-99 07 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

CG951 flew down to Callander for a Medivac and then on to Glasgow Airport, I was very impressed at its return flight, less than 1 hour from Glasgow to Inverness - thats fast! Jim, do you know if it is using the remote fueling sites? I have heard that its planning to go to Oban/Inverness etc instead of using the remote sites.
OP Jim Fraser 08 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:



The remote fuel sites have slipped off my radar and I have forgotten to ask more about them. The sites are marked in green on one of the Bristow UK SAR maps (http://www.bristowsar.com/index.php/uk-search-and-rescue/sar-bases/) but I have not had any confirmation of this.



As for speed, these have Vne of about 165 knots and cruise of about 145 knots. 145 is 167mph or 269km/h and when flying with a good Scottish tailwind the ground speed can be quite spectacular. I tracked the Stornoway aircraft on AIS, Small Isles to Inverness, at over 200mph once. Travel NE will usually be fast with the prevailing wind. AW189 is a wee bit faster.
marko-99 08 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
If you could find out about the remote fuel sites Jim, that would be a great help.
The local Coastguard Teams were always out to give a hand every time Rescue 100 did a job, they were trained in testing the fuel and refueling the Helicopter, this saved a massive amount of time - for the casualty,MRT and crew.
If it now has to depart for 40+mins to get fuel from the closest Airport then this is certainly not as good a service as the MOD provided.
I know the new helicopters have only 4 crew (Sea Kings had 5) and if the winchman is on the hill with the casualty that only leaves 1 in the back - then refueling is very difficult.
Is this a Bristow rule or a new Coastguard rule?
OP Jim Fraser 08 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW189 G-MCGM tour of English National Parks today. Dales, Lakes and Peak.

Not sure if was a flyby or bore-by since the ADS-B height reading seems to show it underground around the summits!
 Nbrain 08 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
"southern General in Glasgow on Saturday which presumably was a hospital transfer: anybody know?"


I think they were just testing out the helipad at the new hospital as the new building isn't open yet.
Post edited at 22:09
 drunken monkey 09 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The remote sites were managed and re-supplied by the military IIRC Jim. I've no idea if they have any intention of keeping that going once R177 & R178 finish up.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Having seen the images of a couple of landings in the peak underground might not be a bad shout, not the lightest of birds. We are expecting more touching wheels than actual full landings for evacs.
OP Jim Fraser 09 Apr 2015
In reply to Pepper:

The partial landing has always been a feature of SAR helo work and I have seen a few quite interesting ones! We can expect that both S-92 and AW189 will be doing this regularly. With low ground clearance, no matter how many wheels are touching, power may be applied to prevent the aircraft settling. That will mean more downwash while working around the aircraft. That is one of the reasons why I encourage teams to contrive situations with maximum downwash for training exercises. 'Train hard, fight easy.'

In reply to Jim Fraser:

A hole had to be dug out to protect the camera underneath, we are working to this being standard op from now on!
OP Jim Fraser 09 Apr 2015
In reply to Pepper:

> A hole had to be dug out to protect the camera underneath, we are working to this being standard op from now on!


Not good.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A video of Rescue 951 in action at Ben Nevis.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=844083725629411&set=vb.19070010763...


The MCA have been coming up with videos of maritime stuff for a while. That allows people to think that the service is mainly about the sea. In terms of legal necessity, it may be true that international conventions force the UK to have such a service. However, the reality of service operation is that 70+% of jobs are LAND jobs and mountain jobs provide the most challenging part of that work. Now we have a video of a real mountain job at a low-grade climbing route on Britain's highest mountain.

A good start. Well done guys.

Winter conditions and at a significant altitude but daylight, no precipitation and 'a light breeze'.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Apr 2015
 Dave B 10 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

It's in the local press that the south east helicopter based at Lydd will be based there for one year, but may return to Manston should that reopen as an airport.

Announced in a marginal constituency by transport minister asking with promises relating to the compulsory purchase of Manston site, now scheduled for conversion to other users...


http://m.thanetgazette.co.uk/Transport-minster-says-hopes-reopening-Manston...




OP Jim Fraser 11 Apr 2015
In reply to Dave B:

> It's in the local press that the south east helicopter based at Lydd will be based there for one year, but may return to Manston should that reopen as an airport.


Yes. The Bristow basing plan currently includes one temporary base.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Apr 2015
In reply to marko-99:
> If you could find out about the remote fuel sites Jim, that would be a great help.

The basing and surge maps provided by Bristow show remote refuelling sites at Plockton, Glenmore, Braemar, Fort William, Oban and Killin in a broadly similar pattern to the previous regime and this pattern of operation is reported to be set to continue.

This aspect seemed to take a while to sort out. However, in the end of the day it's just a tank of fuel. Yes, there are security aspects and technical aspects to fuel care but it's not really hard. JetA1 is getting moved around the Highlands every day. (If anything goes wrong with this aspect of the service then I shall ask Bristow if they want me to assimilate it into my retirement planning.)


> The local Coastguard Teams were always out to give a hand every time Rescue 100 did a job, they were trained in testing the fuel and refueling the Helicopter, this saved a massive amount of time - for the casualty,MRT and crew.

I am not familair with this pattern of working. Where does this happen?


> If it now has to depart for 40+mins to get fuel from the closest Airport then this is certainly not as good a service as the MOD provided.

The normal accepted practice has been 30 minutes for refuelling plus transit time to a remote site. I have been in a mil SAR aircraft when using a remote refuelling site and that timing seems right. Faster aircraft fitted with ice protection systems mean shorter transit times and therefore shorter refuelling breaks.

CAP 999 v2 provides for SAR refuelling in the following manner.

Refuelling with passengers on board
3.12 Procedures are to be established for refuelling and de-fuelling (if applicable) with SAR passengers on board.

Training and checking process
4.7 The SAR technical crew member is to be trained in accordance with the requirements of Part-ORO Subpart TC and all applicable requirements for HHO under Part-SPA Subpart I (HHO) with the following additional items:
- 11. Conducting refuelling/defueling and rotors-running refuelling.

My 'Air-Ground Collaboration' sheet (2011) reads as follows.
" ... suggested benefits for continuous collaboration between SAR aircraft and MRT during Land SAR operations.
... ...
- When aircraft fuel is low, allows remaining fuel to be used to contribute to the operation so that the operation can continue to advance while the aircraft is refuelling."

During normal aviation operations, the following EASA recommendations apply.
Hot refuelling should only be conducted:
- in unforeseen and exceptional circumstances;
- in accordance with the specific procedures for hot refuelling established by the TC holder of the aeroplane;
- with no passenger on board, nor embarking or disembarking;
- under permission by the aerodrome operator; and
- in presence of the aerodrome Rescue and Fire Fighting Service.


> I know the new helicopters have only 4 crew (Sea Kings had 5) and if the winchman is on the hill with the casualty that only leaves 1 in the back - then refueling is very difficult.

Sea Kings have four: exactly the same. You must be thinking of the Highland Emergency camera op!
Wessex had 3 and SK and 61 have always had 4.
Post edited at 15:14
OP Jim Fraser 11 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

One aspect of the remote refuelling that may arise as we go forward is that a Sea King is easily trapped by winter weather and a S-92 (or a AW189 with FIPS) is not. Once a pattern of working has been well-established with these aircraft, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that the pattern of fuelling sites and the methods of working may change.

What we already know for sure is that there will be a reduced need for remote refuelling in some conditions. Where a Sea King trapped by weather under icy winter clouds over Broadford might have to fill its tanks ready for an entire evening of hover-taxiing back to Raigmore, a S-92 just goes up through the cloud, over the top, cruises west at 170mph, puts back down over the sea in the Moray Firth and makes its way to the hospital.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A programme about the Fastnet Race 1979 was broadcast this morning on BBC Radio 4.
"The Reunion: The Fastnet Race Disaster".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05q5ynq

OP Jim Fraser 17 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

HUMBERSIDE: out there doing it.
youtube.com/watch?v=9TgJjNRO3bY&

INVERNESS: out there doing it.
youtube.com/watch?v=LKA2Y_0l3X0&
(The first video release of the new service doing mountain work.)
OP Jim Fraser 18 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Questions are being asked in some quarters about the readiness of the Bristow flights. These centre around Night Vision Goggles. Unfortunately, this includes ***t-stirrers who claim that NVG is not part of the new contract.

The reality seems to be much less dramatic. At a base location where it won't get dark until August, the AW189 delays and the storm damage delay appear to have conspired to prevent completion of NVG training for at least some crew. NVG training is believed to include two levels to account for experienced and non-experienced crew-members. Those without previous NVG experience are believed to have twice as much training to do as those who have used NVG previously. It's clear from the ADS-B tracks that there is night training going on.

Training for SAR partners is also affected. Resources are channelled toward real rescues and basic contract compliance so I am expecting a few things to get put to one side for a few weeks. I wish it were different but it's not.

Rehearsals should be getting underway for a bit of a repeat performance in July. One base, Caernarfon, will have the correct aircraft type and a completed base while Manston is expected to be at a temporary base at Lydd with a stand-in aircraft.

Clearly, Caernarfon is one of the most important bases from the viewpoint of mountaineers. It is a S-92 base, the base is complete, and an experienced ex-Valley pilot will be running things, so the prospects for a good clean start at Caernarfon should be excellent. However, they have run out of S-92 aircraft. Another two aircraft will be on order to complete the fleet but those would have been for Newquay in January. If they do not arrive soon then the training aircraft GG from Stornoway and perhaps one of the aircraft from Inverness or Humberside would need to be redeployed.

Maybe interesting at Manston/Lydd. I am expecting AW139 (G-CIJX and G-CIJW).
 Davy Gunn 20 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim is there any prospect of the new aircrews taking on RECCO as an airborne avalanche search tool as per most of the other alpine nations.
OP Jim Fraser 20 Apr 2015
In reply to Young Fox:

There is no requirement for RECCO in the contract technical specification.

I have continued to suggest across the last two and a half years that ICAR Air Commission participation by our aeronautical partners in the UK (ARCC/SAR Force/MCA Aviation/Bristow/ .... ) should be encouraged. There has been no progress with that idea. Therefore, discussion and demonstration of systems used by other countries in mountainous terrain may go unnoticed.

However, I do not think that RECCO is the most promising airborne detector for UK use. There is a very limited use of RECCO here although ski resorts will tend to be hot-spots of RECCO use.

Everyone has a mobile phone though. The Swiss have been developing systems for detection of phones including detection of specific phones. Current procedures here for accessing mobile phone information might be a problems but with a fix for that administrative problem I can see a time not far off when these systems would be valuable in UK SAR.

The next problem is aircraft EMC and certification. The UK SAR aircraft have a huge electro-magnetic burden already and adding more such kit could be difficult.
 stumc 21 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim,

Not sure if this is the place or not but I shall pile in none the less.

One thing that at the moment seems to be missing from the thread is real time operational experience with the new aircraft/operator.

Having operated with RAF, Navy, Bristows and CHC in the past and now recently with R951, I can confirm that the service provided was more than up to the task. Yes it was not quite as slick in places as previous operators and yes there was the occasional question mark raised as to what was happening as it maybe did'nt fit in with previous operating procedure. But there was no doubt that the task was achieved and will continue to be achieved.

One noticeable thing was how a crew change can and will change the service provided, in terms of willingness to push the aircraft a little more to deliver troops on the ground. But then this has always been the case with ALL of the other SAR helicopter operators and was very obvious with R100 on a number of occasions.

I for one will be more than happy to work with the Coastguard in the future and have no lasting concerns that once past the bedding period and ground based SAR agencies have become accustomed to new procedure, the service provided will be just as capable.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Unfortunately, the Royal Air Force has recently been attempting to shoot itself in the foot.


> (No amount of FP can overcome this level of stupidity.)


This appears to be a uniquely Royal Air Force exhibition of poor judgement and as such it has no effect on the Royal Navy's ability to conduct celebrations that feature in reports by British Geological Survey.



OP Jim Fraser 22 Apr 2015
In reply to stumc:

> Not sure if this is the place or not but I shall pile in none the less.

This is the place. Thanks Stu.


> One noticeable thing was how a crew change can and will change the service provided, in terms of willingness to push the aircraft a little more to deliver troops on the ground. But then this has always been the case with ALL of the other SAR helicopter operators ...

No kidding!
OP Jim Fraser 25 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

As of earlier this month, the second AW189 SAR, and the first UK-built aircraft, G-MCGN, appears in the register with the registered owner Bristow Helicopters Ltd instead of Agusta Westland.


As of earlier this week, Sikorsky S-92A, G-MCGJ appears on the register with the registered own Bristow Helicopters Ltd. This is the 10th S-92A in SAR spec of the 11 required for the UK SAR contract. It is the aircraft seen last month at Heli Expo at Orlando and shown in recent Sikorsky publicity.

There is some information about the Sikorsky build list in the public comain but there is currently no indication of the 11th aircraft.
OP Jim Fraser 25 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

NEXT STAGE - 1 July 2015

Caernarfon (replaces Valley)
2 x Sikorsky S-92
Available aircraft: G-MCGJ (newly arrived).
At least one aircraft from another base is likely to be redeployed here.

Lydd (instead of Manston) (replaces Wattisham)
2 x Agusta Westland AW189 - aircraft delayed!
Stand-in aircraft: Agusta Westland AW139.
Available aircraft: 2 x AW139, G-CIJX and G-CIJW (recent evaluation and training at Norwich).
2 x AW189, G-MCGM and G-MCGN (recent OpEval and training at Norwich) but unlikely to be ready,

===================

MRT in North Wales should be hearing from Bristow Caernarfon by now if lessons learned in January have been acted upon!
Post edited at 22:53
OP Jim Fraser 25 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The plan for introduction of the AW189 is that it will be deployed first at a base with a relatively benign environment and be deployed at Scottish bases last. Aircraft will deploy with all major systems such as FIPS and AFCS SAR modes fully operational.

The priority is to have it right rather than early. This means that we may be waiting for the AW189 for longer than we would like.
OP Jim Fraser 25 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Once we see what happens with S-92A deployment for Caernarfon then the pattern may emerge of how Bristow will fill the bases with 11 x S-92A and only a restricted number of AW139 while the AW189 remains unavailable.

With modern levels of aircraft availability, it was never really necessary to have 22 aircraft. Initial proposals from bidders were believed to be in the region of 14 or 15 aircraft for the total fleet for 10 bases and two training aircraft.

Bristow have 10 x S-92A delivered, there are 2 x AW139 from AW, which makes 12 aircraft available already and Bristow only have 9 bases to deal with until Lee-on-Solent changes from CHC in 2017.
 wercat 27 Apr 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Would be nice to see a farewell flyby in the Lakes - sure a lot of people would turn out. Still seeing the Seakings here
OP Jim Fraser 29 Apr 2015
In reply to wercat:
> Would be nice to see a farewell flyby in the Lakes - sure a lot of people would turn out. ,,,


I expect that anything resembling a farewell will be robed in grey and red rather than yellow. Sadly, the Royal Air Force has been intent on causing itself significant reputational damage over this. Fortunately, the Fleet Air Arm appears to have no reservations or neuroses about marking the end of service in a way that makes proper recognition of decades of outstanding service.

The RAF management have until the end of SK service in the Falkland Islands on 31st March 2016 to grow a pair.

===========================

I well remember the day that Avro Shackleton service ended. They over-flew towns across in the north of Scotland at low level. I recall CPO Tyler screaming "Contra-rotating props!" and rushing to the window just before the sky went dark over Dingwall High Street as they passed very low overhead.

Likewise the Blackburn Buccaneers in 1994 with aircraft painted in the colours of several squadrons. The story goes that the boss didn't know that they had painted one in Fleet Air Arm colours. I am not betting on the Fleet Air Arm returning the complement and painting one yellow for Hogmanay!
Post edited at 01:19
OP Jim Fraser 01 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Registration for a third of Bristow's AW189 SAR was processed this week. G-MCGP was already listed on ADS-B and was in the air over Somerset, Dorset and Devon both Wednesday and Thursday afternoons.

(A wee loop past Dorchester. Could they see it from the Frazer-Nash office I wonder?)

It is still registered to Agusta Westland at this stage. The next one should be not far behind it.


Also expecting S-92A, G-MCGJ, to be in the air during the next few days.

 Welsh Kate 01 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Nice to know the next generation of Westland helicopters are still flying over Dorchester - we used to get frequent visits from Yeovilton and RNAS Portland when I was growing up there!
OP Jim Fraser 02 May 2015
In reply to Welsh Kate:

Frazer Nash Consulting are consultants to the DfT for this contract including involvement in the implementation phase.
http://www.fnc.co.uk/news-events/news-archive/2012/frazer-nash-to-assist-in...
http://www.sartacs.com/cms/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01...

Last I heard, the FNC work was being managed from the Dorchester office.
 Northsea 03 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Interesting link from STV.. obviously as always smoke & mirrors with costs now involved with training utilising a civilian contractor, flying under CAA legislation.
http://m.stv.tv/news/north/318671-helicopter-operator-bristow-slammed-by-ca...
OP Jim Fraser 03 May 2015
In reply to Northsea:
> ... ... obviously as always smoke & mirrors with costs now involved with training utilising a civilian contractor, flying under CAA legislation. ...


Don't be too sure about which smoke and which mirrors.

COSTS
I have talked about how the cost structure might affect operations and training with those whose job it is to know this stuff in detail. It was pointed out that around 80% of the cost is fixed, that about another 10% is not fixed but driven by market forces, and that left a small portion of the costs that had a direct relationship to things like flying hours and operational demand. A large portion of the remaining 10% is controlled by operation demand which is also not controllable and much of the remainder follow from the specification and the operational demand through regulatory requirements. The manner in which the contractor charges is controlled by the contract and there is little wriggle room. It is what it is.

To summarise, the portion of the costs that could be cut by cost saving measures is roughly a tenth of the cube root of bu99er all. "Not worth the reputational impact."


TRAINING
The training programme at Humberside has gone largely to plan. The training programme at Inverness is in tatters because of the AW189 situation and the storm damage at the base. It is unfortunate that this has happened at a base that is key to overall service provision and serving several of the most challenging areas of sea and land. That is a large part of what has driven the points made in that report.


TRIGGERED LIGHTNING
Flight cancellations because of forecasts of triggered lightning are for SAR training flights only and SAR operations are not affected.

This is a newly identified aviation phenomenon that was highlighted in an academic paper by Met Office research and development staff in 2012/13. That work has now led to a subscription forecasting service for triggered lightning.

The Cairngorm MRT training session was not the first Scottish MRT training with civilian SAR aircraft cancelled on this basis. Both GAP and UK SAR main contract bases have cancelled on this basis. I had recently started researching this phenomenon before hearing about the Cairngorm situation from a team member. I definitely know a lot more about it than I did ten days ago but there is a long way to go yet. I hope to get an opportunity to discuss it with both Met Office and Bristow staff.

One of the world's most respected helicopter engineers posted the following statement on an internet forum some years ago.
"The newest helos have to meet lightning strike criteria that older ones did not. ... ... The AB-139 and S-92 are ... types I know that have to meet the new criteria, ... ."
An interesting choice of type since, though they had not yet entered SAR service here when that was written, these are the only types currently in UK CivSAR service!

A helicopter pilot I spoke to recently who is in a management role and has helicopter trials and research experience insisted that a properly electrically bonded aircraft is unlikely to be damaged by such events. Affected aircraft are normally high by SAR standards (2000 to 3000 feet) and are struck by lightning that is between objects (clouds and aircraft) in the air and there is no discharge to ground. He has seen the Met Office forecast and has described it as dots of different colours to signify low, medium and high risk locations. (Unfortunately, the forecast is for 12 noon on the day in question and thus becomes less useful. The weather systems are moving across the country at roughly 20mph and the necessary formations are building and dissipating all the time.)

So this is a phenomenon that has been shown to exist in the real world and have real effects on helicopter operations. The science is new. It is ongoing. The effect on helicopters may not be fully understood. Some of the aircraft damaged by lightning of this or other types have been subsequently shown to have faults that allowed lightning to cause greater damage. Major civilian contractors are taking the phenomenon very seriously and the MoD is not (so Willie is right to say that the Sea Kings would be flying).
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OP Jim Fraser 10 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

951 appears to have had a busy day yesterday out and about in the hills of Lochaber and the Cairngorms.
OP Jim Fraser 10 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> NEXT STAGE - 1 July 2015

> Caernarfon (replaces Valley)
> 2 x Sikorsky S-92
> Available aircraft: G-MCGJ (newly arrived).
> At least one aircraft from another base is likely to be redeployed here.
> ... ...
> MRT in North Wales should be hearing from Bristow Caernarfon by now if lessons learned in January have been acted upon!


Anything happening at Caernarfon?
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> Anything happening at Caernarfon?

No.
It's unfortunate, but it seems that Bristows will have to open their Caernarfon operation with a damage limitation exercise. I believe the North Wales teams were told early in March that they could expect training with the S-92 to commence "within in 6 weeks". 22 Sqn are regarded here as a vary hard act to follow and the empty hangar so close to the stand-to date has not gone unnoticed.
Post edited at 23:07
OP Jim Fraser 13 May 2015
In reply to Rattus:

Here we are, "hot off the press".

G-MCGJ arrived in the UK about 3 weeks ago and would have been at Dyce for engineering work. An anonymous spotter reported it at Caernarfon last week and the Aviation Wales website also reports G-MCGJ as having arrived on the 7th May.
http://www.aviationwales.com/2015/05/1st-bristow-search-and-rescue-helicopt...

Also last week, G-MCGK appeared on the register and a spotter at Dyce has listed it. No photos have escaped into the wild yet.

So what does this mean for the training programme? Well, the primary objective will be that the newly-arrived crews, probably consisting of a mix of old Valley folks and Transition Team, gel together in a way that will mean that at the end of every SAR shift they are ALIVE. Let's assume that Wales is not as windy as Scotland and nothing important gets blown away. We can guess at them getting the basics of that sorted in an absolute minimum of two weeks to a level where they can do Stage 1 training with SAR partners at the SAR Base or another aviation site. 21st May earliest?

In the last few days of May or the first few days of June, G-MCGK could be expected to be ready if all the right kit is on time at Dyce. It might be deployed to Caernarfon. Alternatively, those at Stornoway might simply bring G-MCGG to Caernarfon. Guess-work, guess-work!

Only a few days will be available for training of SAR partners in the initial period because aircrew training takes priority. If the NVG issue has already been dealt with at Stornoway then that aircrew training can progress in a reasonable period and June can start to fill up with regular visits from MRT, lifeboats, AuxCG and other SAR partners. Ongoing aircrew training will still have priority.

It does not take much to go wrong for that fantasy timetable to get well out of sync.

Your new Chief Pilot at Caernarfon is a really good guy with RAF and CivSAR experience and the gongs to prove it. He is an ex-Valley guy but has experience of maritime and land SAR operations in several districts. He knows what mountains are. If the programme turns to sh1t, it's not his fault, so help him out.



*** If anyone from the North Wales MR teams is going to be holidaying in the Highlands next week then GET IN TOUCH NOW! ***

 richprideaux 13 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

I wonder if they will have extra time on avoiding the massive wind turbines that were erected in the middle of the airfield?
OP Jim Fraser 14 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Anything happening at Lydd?

Temporary base?

Aircraft still at Norwich a couple of days ago.
OP Jim Fraser 16 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A video on Vimeo from Shephard Media about the AW189 at Brighton recently.
vimeo.com/127840616
Sam reciting the script and a few close shots of G_MCGN.

========================

Doubts have been expressed about the whereabouts of the new S-92A G-MCGK. A second aircraft is expected at Caernarfon in two or three weeks and GK might be part of that scenario but it has been suggested that GK is not at Aberdeen for engineering work yet.

========================

Statements have been made about AW189 entering service in October or November 2015. I shall expect deployment to Lydd between November and January.

These October and November dates tend to suggest AW189 will be available for start of service at Prestwick in January. Do not get your hopes up. We should expect that it will serve several months in a more benign environment before it appears at Prestwick where it would serve the Lakes and Lochaber.


OP Jim Fraser 16 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-MCGJ in the air out of Caernarfon today. (But then some of you already know that!)

Good luck to everyone who is involved in the work-up period during these next few weeks.


In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-GJ airborne out of Caernarfon again this morning - fam. trip around the hills. That's more like it! Now, where's GK?
OP Jim Fraser 19 May 2015
In reply to Rattus:

> ... Now, where's GK?

191834ZMAR15, just overflown Kielder and approaching Hawick on its way north.

OP Jim Fraser 21 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
I am not long back from an evening training exercise that I organised with Bristow Inverness for a group of Kintail, Dundonnell and Torridon MRT folks.

- Ticked all the boxes for Stage One training (training videos, aircraft brief and winch practice),
- Had several questions answered,
- Learned about future plans for training,
- Saw their mission map showing their jobs so far: 50 days in and these guys have really been out there doing it,
- Had aspects of the training slightly delayed because R951 was still out on yet another job when we arrived.



[Observed a Scottish Ambulance Service Air Wing operation when we were out on the pan. While we were doing our winching, Gama's King Air met an ambulance on the other side of the airport before departing. Always good to know those guys are there. I hope the patient had a good outcome.]
Post edited at 00:25
OP Jim Fraser 23 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Training of the new staff for the new ARCC at Fareham is expected to have started about now at RAF Shawbury.

One key player has stuck his head above the parapet and entered his new ARCC job on his linkedin profile. This confirms what his former colleagues were saying a couple of months ago. He is a former OC D Flight 202 Sqn with 7000 hours Sea King SAR flying and USCG exchange experience on the Jayhawk. World-class SAR CV.

OP Jim Fraser 28 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Decent flying display in Snowdonia today was there?
OP Jim Fraser 30 May 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Looking like a very busy day for R951 today.

It flew north over the Northern Cairngorms twice today and visited other corners of the nation at various times since early this morning.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-MCGK has been delivered to Caernarfon this morning.
OP Jim Fraser 03 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-MCGM and G-CIJW not recorded in the air for a few days but G-MCGN AND G-CIJX still buzzing around Norwich.

Any signs of activity at Lydd?
 Dave B 03 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

From my understanding they are not flying from Lydd yet and won't be for a few weeks. They are still flying from Wattisham i believe.
OP Jim Fraser 03 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Wattisham and Valley finish 30 June and Lydd and Caernarfon start 1 July. A work-up period of up to three months precedes these dates.

Caernarfon base is complete and the correct aircraft are in place. Aircrew training has been taking place for a couple of weeks and some SAR partner training will take place between now and the end of the month.

Lydd is a stand-in for Manston and gets a temporary base. Lydd gets AW139 aircraft as stand-in for AW189.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Another busy day at Bristow Inverness and GF just overflown Inverness (2222A) headed west.

GE from Humberside out in the lakes around Helvellyn and Scafell Pike this afternoon.

GK training in Snowdonia this afternoon.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW139 and AW189

AW139 G-CIJW not seen but G-CIJX up most days last week around Norwich.

AW189 G-MCGM also not seen but interesting activity elsewhere. On Thursday morning, G-MCGN flew from Norwich to Yeovil (Agusta Westland). On Thursday afternoon, the newest AW189 currently flying, G-MCGP, flew from Yeovil to Norwich. The CAA Register shows that a change in ownership is currently in-process for G-MCGP (currently still shown as Agusta Westland).
In reply to Jim Fraser:

It's a fair racket that Sikorsky makes going over my house in Caernarfon. Can't wait for my training day with the rescue team.
OP Jim Fraser 08 Jun 2015
In reply to higherclimbingwales:
Wait until you're under it in a concave feature! 12t and 5000shp. Pack your earplugs and safety glasses. Welcome to the 21st century.


Train hard. Fight easy.
Post edited at 00:44
marko-99 08 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, is there any actual word on when the AW189 will be put in to service? When Lydd goes live in a few weeks with the AW139 then Bristow/MCA will have financial penalties imposed on them. It looks like production of the AW189 is a good bit behind schedule, is there a possibility that one of the bases will lose the AW189 altogether? I have a feeling that the S92 airframes in Inverness will make a trip down to Prestwick at the end of the year and Inverness will get the AW189`s last instead of first, seeing as Inverness Hanger was purpose built for 3 airframes and for training all the crews on the 189.
OP Jim Fraser 08 Jun 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> Jim, is there any actual word on when the AW189 will be put in to service?

Operational Evaluation continues. The movements to and from Yeovil may indicate a modification or upgrade of some kind is being rolled out. There is probably a substantial paperwork trail being created to underpin what is being achieved.


> When Lydd goes live in a few weeks with the AW139 then Bristow/MCA will have financial penalties imposed on them.

You might think so. However, the Government wanted the AW189.

"What needs to be understood is that although the general public think that the purpose of this contract is public safety, for many, the purpose of this contract is also to provide the helicopter industry in the south west of England with a completely fresh start. That fresh start is supposed to be as more of a maker of civilian helicopters: a role that has always eluded Westland in the past. The AW189 is expected to be step one of this transformation from MoD benefit scrounger to commercial starlet."
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7944720

So by obeying Government directions and selecting the AW189, the contractor has ended up in this mess. AW is the main problem here, plus the government trying to organise the economy of the south-west of England. So who will be in trouble? I wonder who is paying for the AW139s? Were they a pound each or some such deal? Don't know.


> Is there a possibility that one of the bases will lose the AW189 altogether?

No.

Remember that Lee-on-Solent does not get AW189 until 2017 anyway.


> I have a feeling that the S92 airframes in Inverness will make a trip down to Prestwick at the end of the year ...

This contract was always intended to be capable of operating at the contracted availability level with one aircraft at each base. Since late 2012, this contract has been modified to ensure that it can continue operating with one type only. All eleven S-92A have been delivered. The pressure eases because they also have the AW139.


> ... ... Inverness will get the AW189`s last instead of first ...

The 189 will be deployed first in a more benign environment. At a location such as Lydd, it can prove itself and iron out the wrinkles before heading into Coire na Ciste on a wild night from INV or PIK.

OP Jim Fraser 08 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

R951 (GF) and R948 (GA) were out helping SARDA, Kintail, Torridon, Dundonnell, Lossiemouth, Police Scotland and others search for a missing person today. A successful operation.

R948 (GA) been busy again later and currently on approach to Raigmore Hospital as I type this.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Pack your earplugs and safety glasses.

Yeah, keep getting remniders to not forget them - no goggles, no flying.

OP Jim Fraser 09 Jun 2015
In reply to higherclimbingwales:

> Yeah, keep getting remniders to not forget them - no goggles, no flying.

Ski goggles work great but they are expensive and easily damaged if they spend long period in a working rucksack.

These
http://www.diy.com/departments/bq-safety-glasses/204948_BQ.prd
also work well for helicopters but are dirt cheap. They can be enhanced with a piece of shock-cord and a cordlock round the back of the head and polished with Nikwax waterproofer to make them more water repellent. At a couple of pound each you can have a box of them at the base for the price of one pair of goggles and carrying a pair in the sack all summer and save the goggles for winter.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

we've been issued with a set of Bloc goggles and some industrial grade ear plugs.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Jun 2015
In reply to higherclimbingwales:
> .. ... and some industrial grade ear plugs.


Those should help

These aircraft will have full external ear defence available in the cabin. We were using them yesterday in 951. Like the intercom headsets, these need to be worn upsides down when wearing a helmet if they are to fit over the ears properly. (The head strap will then be under your chin.) However, once we get to standing room only and there are up to 21 passengers, which is the stated maximum according to the Bristow SAR website, then many of those people may have to rely on ear plugs.

(Having said that, on past occasions in the NW when S-61N or S-92 passenger capacity was maxed out, most of the passengers were probably ready to sleep through a helicopter flight!)


Oh, and make sure you get a brief on the details of intercom headset use.
Post edited at 00:07
August West 10 Jun 2015
I have been issued some Bolle goggles...

http://www.bolle-safety.com/safety-spectacles/cobra-cobtprpsi

and some ear plugs similar to these...

http://www.shop3m.com/3m-e-a-r-taperfit-2-regular-corded-earplugs-hearing-c...

However the first training session is a Wednesday and there is space for 5 members only as the training will be shared with 4 other teams, and it's 50 miles away from base.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Local mountain rescue teams met with Bristow Inverness at Dalcrosss on Monday evening to talk about training records and operational matters (and raid the biscuit box in the crew room).

A very useful evening.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
SAR AW139 G-CIJX flew to Lydd on Friday 12th June. It returned to Norwich this morning and flew a typical training sortie near Cromer before both AW139, G-CIJW and G-CIJX, flew to Lydd this afternoon. JX landed there just under an hour ago.

So i think this means that the temporary base at Lydd is now a reality. Regarding aircrew training, we can hopeful that the work has been completed at Norwich during these last few weeks. It is therefore reasonable to expect that Lydd will be ready for training with local SAR partners shortly. That would mean that Lydd would be in reasonable shape for operations to commence on the 1st July.


(That's good because I think some of the folks at Wattisham might have a winter holiday booked in the South Atlantic.)

Post edited at 19:00
OP Jim Fraser 19 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-CIJX out and about today exploring "the soft underbelly of the United Kingdom": the coast near its new home.


And looking like a 'wets' day at Caernarfon with G-MCGJ.
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

MENTIONED IN DESPATCHES

(As posted by me elsewhere.)
On Saturday, " ... without the aid of a safety net or stab vest, and with limited fire support, Clark Broad gave a presentation to the Scottish Mountain Rescue General Committee, prior to our AGM, on Bristow SAR implementation. Questions from the floor focussed on delays affecting Inverness.

As usual, the contractor is expected to take the blame for decades of DfT shortcomings and MoD aircraft and equipment inadequacies are overlooked. ... "
OP Jim Fraser 27 Jun 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Where are we now?


AW189
G-MCGM, G-MCGN and G-MCGP are complete and have been flying. Production continues at Yeovil where G-MCGR and G-MCGS are believed to be in an advanced stage of build.

In relation to the bases that have commenced service, and will commence service in the next few days, production is only slightly behind. Of course, a range of other matters affect deployment.

There appeared to have been some change around with AW189 at the beginning of this month when G-MCGP came out of Yeovil. Limited AW189 flying has been done recently. There may be a concentration on preparing the AW139 for Lydd now that this deployment is imminent and several AW189 test targets appear to have been achieved in the early part of the year.


BASES
The pattern emerging is that bases planned as S-92 bases do not have problems achieving full capability but things are more complicated for bases using stand-in aircraft. It is also true that both Inverness and Lydd have had accommodation problems.

Humberside
- Out there doing it . Believed to be all good.

Inverness
- Out there doing it. Number of Q2 jobs may exceed typical Q2 numbers for Lossiemouth.
- Stand-in aircraft: S-92A. Change to AW189 will complicate matters at a later date.
- NVG training partially complete and due to complete in a few weeks.
- Delays in training with some SAR partners.

Caernarfon
- Service due to commence next Wednesday.
- Believed to be all good to go.

Lydd
- Service due to commence next Wednesday.
- Stand-in base for Manston.
- Stand-in aircraft: AW139.
- NVG: believed OK but not corroborated.
- Training with SAR partners: not information.
(I don't know who is getting Chief Pilot at Lydd but my heart goes out to him or her.)

St Athan
- Work-up period due to commence next Wednesday.
- Stand-in aircraft expected: not seen.

Boulmer
- End of service and no replacement base, 31st September 2015.
Post edited at 12:35
OP Jim Fraser 06 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

CAERNARFON
Bristow Caernarfon commenced service on Wednesday and operations started with a lower limb injury mountain job. The week continued with further maritime and mountain jobs.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/new-bristow-search-rescue-...
http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2015/07/02/new-civilian-helicopter-rescues...

I was fortunate enough to be spending those few days in Dyffryn Ogwen and from local high points heard or saw some of their early activity.

As at Humberside, Caernarfon commences service with the correct aircraft type and full contracted capability.

LYDD
The position at Lydd is less satisfactory. Commencement of service at Lydd is delayed until 1st August 2015. This delay is due to the added complexity of having a stand-in aircraft type (AW139 instead of AW189) operating out of a hastily arranged base. Aircraft type is the principal cause of delay with the resulting training load likely to be critical.

It is expected that service will commence at Lydd with full capability. However, survivor/passenger accommodation in a 139 is a bit sketchy. With 2 seated survivors and 2 rear-crew present in the back of a 139, 2 stretchered survivors, even if there is space for them, are not going to get modern standards of care. Fortunately, Lydd is not the most demanding corner of the Kingdom's SRR.

http://helihub.com/2015/06/03/bristow-uk-picks-danzer-modular-buildings-for...

Let's remember that the contractor is making the best effort at Lydd in the face of damaging delays caused by Agusta Westland and the Manston Airport situation.
OP Jim Fraser 14 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> BASES
> St Athan
> - Work-up period due to commence next Wednesday.
> - Stand-in aircraft expected: not seen.

Seen.

The second pair of AW139 (G-CILN and G-CILP) have been at Norwich recently and these are destined for St Athan in due course. G-CILN appears to have joined G-CIJW and G-CIJX at Lydd during the last few days, making three aircraft on base which must help move thing forward there.

So now we know what will be at St Athan and supporting MR/SAR in the Brecon Beacons and on Dartmoor from October for several months.


As previously noted, all eleven of the S-92A are delivered and they are all in SAR service or training (GG at SYY). In a Sikorsky production list, published 30th June, there are no aircraft annotated with UK registration.
Post edited at 23:58
 Welsh Kate 15 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for the update, Jim. Caernarfon's S92 was down at New Quay picking up a cas and taking them to the Heath in Cardiff at the weekend so we may well see that as well as the 139/189s down here.
OP Jim Fraser 15 Jul 2015
In reply to Welsh Kate:

The Sikorsky S-92A is supposed to be the long range Lot 1 aircraft so it makes sense that as this contract rolls out the size, speed and range of the S-92A eclipses that of other types.



The speed of it was demonstrated some years ago when a Stornoway aircraft tracked on AIS travelling NE (with the prevailing wind) toward Raigmore Hospital Inverness did over 200mph ground speed. Similar speeds have been demonstrated recently. This puts the Sea King completely in the shade. The 189 could be even faster.
marko-99 15 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

what happens Jim if the AW189 is not ready for the 1st October? Does Prestwick start training with AW139 or S92?
And when the AW189 goes live, who gets it first?......The bases that have AW139?
It will be interesting to see how Bristow works this out, but I'm sure they will.
OP Jim Fraser 16 Jul 2015
In reply to marko-99:

The AW139 will not be deployed in Scotland.

The AW189 will first see UK SAR service in a more benign environment where it will not have to cope with North Atlantic storms or winter mountain conditions. We can take that as meaning Lydd then!

The absence of AW189 at Prestwick would mean deploying S-92A as at Inverness.

No further S-92 annotated with a UK registration are on the current publicly available Sikorsky production list and no clues appear in the CAA's UK register. It must be remembered that having two aircraft per base was a late amendment to the plan for this contract and was introduced in late 2012. This means that originally all bases were meant to operate with one aircraft and still achieve the 98% availability requirement by the use of a small number of spare aircraft. The two aircraft per base system is meant to allow for the entire base network to be operated using one aircraft type. The two aircraft per base system has been useful for Bristow so far because of the way that it allows any delays in the training programme to be fixed with extra training flights.

If you roll out the lot without AW189 then it looks like this.
7 bases on S-92A
2 bases on AW139
1 base still with CHC
1 base still with CHC and due to close

Here is one way it might pan out.
(I am making this up but it is not inconsistent with what we already know and the way this was planned originally.)
Put 2 of the 4 x AW139 at each of St Athan and Lydd.
Put 1 x S-92A at each base (5 bases plus 2 stand-ins equals 7).
(basic operational coverage achieved)
Put 1 more S-92A at Stornoway as the training aircraft
(3 left)
Put 1 more S-92A at Culdrose because it is the newest S-92 base.
(2 left)
Put 1 more S-92A at Prestwick to help with the training load there but it is also the spare for Humberside and Caernarfon.
Put 1 more S-92A at Inverness as the spare for Inverness, Stornoway and Sumburgh.

Even if AW189 is available for Prestwick, they still have to steal S-92A from the currently-deployed pairs to equip Culdrose which commences service at the same time as Prestwick.

They might still get more S-92A, and that has been discussed in the trade press, but there is currently no evidence available for this.
marko-99 16 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks Jim, its pretty much on the same lines as I was thinking, but the training load must be huge for the crews.
Pilots coming from Sea Kings then have to train on S92 for a few months then train on the AW189?
I know that the AW139 - AW189 cross over for pilots is a lot easier as both aircraft have very similar cabs/Avionics.
OP Jim Fraser 16 Jul 2015
In reply to marko-99:
In the EASA Operational Evaluation Board Report, the hours for rating an AW139 rated pilot for AW189 are roughly half of those for an initial type rating (where 189 was first multi turbine) and about 70% of those for an additional type rating (where 189 was NOT first multi turbine).

That is not to say that the training load is not still VERY DEMANDING but it does let us understand how there is a sensible path to the final objective using the existing skill base of a portion of the team and the work that can be done with the four AW139s.

For the three dozen Managed transition pilots, two-pilot, twin turbine ops are normal, but there are two major issues.
- Civil licence and first type rating
- Glass cockpit
Once those are covered then they're in the grove. They now know how this works and every day is a school day! Always easier without the smell of leaking AVTUR and smouldering wiring though.

For all the pilots, the best thing is more ticks in boxes and no invoice!


Meanwhile, as chaos reigns around them, at Humberside and Caernarfon: "Pass me another rich tea please".
Post edited at 15:47
OP Jim Fraser 16 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Whatever happens in the DfT's UK SAR Helicopter Service, the key date for others is the 1st April 2016.

- RAF SAR Force and ARCC Kinloss end service
- ARCC Fareham commences service to replace ARCC Kinloss
- AAR/BIH/ARS, using AW189 on a MoD contract, commences service to replace SAR Force in the Falkland Islands

It therefore remains possible, though maybe not likely, that the UK SAR will not be the first deployment of the AW189 for SAR service. Mount Pleasant may not be busy but it has considerable challenges that will not be seen at Lydd.
OP Jim Fraser 21 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The plot thickens.

Lots of people very quiet about the AW189.

A few stories not quite straight.

October? - November? - January? - - - April?
marko-99 21 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

No news is surely good news where the AW189 is concerned.
I have actually forgotten where we are with its SAR certification. I think they are just working hard at it, and as we have not heard of any MORE setbacks, then thats fine.

Jim, maybe the month delay with Lydd going live will surprise us all. It would be nice if Bristow new it was getting the green light with the 189 this month and held Lydd back for that reason and not for the reasons we think.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Jul 2015
In reply to marko-99:
Unfortunately, although the AW189 is fundamentally a great aircraft, it is starting to slowly emerge that engineering systems supporting SAR role fit have problems. We already knew that the long range fuel tank gives a ground clearance problem and is over twice the weight that some expected; but that is not the end of it.

Down at Redhill there are 2 helicopter companies side by side each working a contract with a different UK Government department for commencing SAR service with the AW189 during the next nine months.

One has a couple of thousand UK employees and a few hundred SAR employees and the senior management of the SAR operation are plank drivers or training administrators. With redundancies expected in the dominant oil and gas arm, everyone is very busy looking over their shoulder.

One has a few hundred UK employees and a few dozen SAR employees. The management team of the SAR operation could meet in a Robbie R44 and many key personnel have hovered over the same sort of places in the dark in a previous life.

It is going to be very interesting to watch which one of those responds most nimbly and knowledgeably to these problems and gets the best grip on things.
Post edited at 02:57
OP Jim Fraser 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Shephard Media's Rotorhub has published their June/July edition with an article about the SAR AW189 based on interviews with MCA management at Brighton in May. October start and all that.

May is a long time ago.


I think the lads can put the knee-pads back in the cupboard for a while yet.
marko-99 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

That sounds grim, I was probably being too much of an optimist anyway!!!

April/May 2016 for Inverness/Prestwick?

We will probably moan when the S92 gets replaced, as all the SAR teams using it will be used to the new ways working with it by then.

As always, many thanks Jim for your knowledge and input, and keeping us informed.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Jul 2015
In reply to marko-99:

Yes, S-92A start for Prestwick is a real possibility. Things like callsigns are already set up to deal with that contingency. I am sure that somebody within Bristow SAR has a plan for aircraft redeployment to deal with it but we are unlikely to learn anything about that until it is actually happening.

The Inverness situation shows us that bases starting without the correct aircraft struggle to keep all the balls in the air and just a few extra things going wrong can cause major problems.

Lydd should be interesting. Take a deep breath, wait a month, and it will work fine? Let's see. I wish them luck.

I am sure the Chief Pilot for Prestwick has had his fingers crossed for some time in the hope of a straight-forward start with the correct aircraft. It would be nice to think that all his dreams will come true but I am not confident.


Though it is proving to be a stressful and annoying year for many involved in this, it is a ten year contract. We know where this is headed and it will be a very able service. By Q3 2016, this will all look very different.

marko-99 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Not sure if you have seen this -

https://twitter.com/hashtag/aw189

A quick look down the list and it says there are 3 on the line getting built - SAR/189 - they look far from ready.

Also shows the latest G-MCGS out on display at RNAS Yeovilton.
Post edited at 17:30
marko-99 22 Jul 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This got my attention -

From "Flightglobal" last week -

AgustaWestland appears to be closing in on approval for two increasingly delayed items: type certification for its new AW169 light twin – which was due at end of last year – and for the limited ice protection system (LIPS) on the AW189 super medium.

However, the more comprehensive full ice protection system (FIPS) for the AW189 – which is key to its full deployment in the UK on search and rescue (SAR) missions – will not come until the second half of next year.

Speaking at a 12 July event at its Yeovil, UK manufacturing facility, Daniele Romiti, AgustaWestland chief executive, says European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification for the 4.5t AW169 will come “in a matter of weeks”. Customer demonstration flights using the initial production example had earlier been carried out in June.

Romiti says final meetings with EASA have been held and it is now “about paperwork”. He blames the delay on the complexity of the certification effort, specifically around new-generation equipment.

“As soon as technology enhances capability of the products, so it impacts on certification,” he says.

Romiti offers a similar timeframe for the arrival of the LIPS on the AW189. “It is going to be certificated within weeks,” he says.

The availability of ice protection appears to have been behind the delayed service entry of the SAR variant with Bristow Helicopters in the UK. So far the operator has received three examples of the 8.3t rotorcraft but has yet to deploy them to active SAR bases.

FIPS, however, will not be ready until “mid-next year”. Initial tests of the system were conducted late last year “and there are the last few points we need to confirm next winter”, Romiti says.

“Full operational capability for the helicopter will be delivered from mid-next year.”
In reply to Jim Fraser:

We landed at Lydd yesterday to clear Customs on the way back from France. The SAR hangar has a roof but no walls and G-CILN was parked outside. I was unable to glean any news or even speculation from the Traffic Office on what Bristow might be up to.
Nick
OP Jim Fraser 24 Jul 2015
In reply to Rattus:

> ... The SAR hangar has a roof but no walls ... ...

So the opposite of where Inverness were six months ago?

OP Jim Fraser 01 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Bristow SAR S-92 are no longer showing up on ADS-B online sites.
OP Jim Fraser 01 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

This should be start day for Lydd.

Anyone seen or heard anything?
 Dave B 01 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

On hols. Will ask tomorrow.
 Dave B 02 Aug 2015
In reply to Dave B:
From my source, They are training but not yet operational. Meant to be Sept start. They don't have the scheduled aircraft as ye.
marko-99 02 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Bristow SAR S-92 are no longer showing up on ADS-B online sites.

They are still showing on some AIS online sites
OP Jim Fraser 03 Aug 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> They are still showing on some AIS online sites


The MMSI for these is a mess though. It is possible that the advent of ADS-B made the MMSI less of a priority.

G-MCGF at Inverness and both the Humberside aircraft certainly show up OK.
marko-99 04 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Anyone know what the Lydd position is?
If its another month delay that must be for structural problems and not aircraft ones, they know that the AW189 wont be ready for service for another 9 months.
In reply to Jim Fraser:
A couple of observations from North Wales:

G-GJ is still showing on AIS whenever it is out and about, albeit with the incorrect MMSI Number (initlal 1 missing).

G-GK was just offshore the other day, at 1000 feet and within 5 miles of my location - good strong ADS-B signal, but absolutely nothing on AIS, either here or from other ShipPlotter stations along the coast. A search on Marine Traffic shows this aircraft's AIS transponder to be still in Pennsylvania (last update 29.4.15!)

At 1090 MHz, ADS-B requires a much tighter network of ground stations, and line of sight to the aircraft - the cabs disappear quite quickly at low level between the hills, but remain visible far longer on AIS, even when well inland. There's no doubt that AIS is by far the more reliable system for SAR asset tracking.

Oh, and the Coastguard Apron view has now disappeared from the Caernarfon Airport webcam.

Nick
(formerly Rattus)
Post edited at 16:58
OP Jim Fraser 04 Aug 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:
Yes Nick, Same up here. They just dissappear like they are on second-rate radar. This is, after all, about the occasional lost airliner rather than about people who are doing genuinely difficult flying.

I saw the Coatesville signal in Marine traffic too.


It may be that the comms fit on the S-92 is undergoing some kind of service or modification resulting in ADS-B blackout. Alternatively, the known MCA problem with the principles of Open Government may infecting Bristow operations during a difficult period when well-informed tax-payers need extra reassurance that this service is a successful replacement.

What's your money on?
Post edited at 19:31
marko-99 08 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Strange that it now only shows on ADS-B sites as just S92 and is no longer showing on AIS sites at all.
Post edited at 14:09
OP Jim Fraser 08 Aug 2015
In reply to marko-99:

What I have seen is no history and no airframe data on ADS-B but still showing up on live display and as you say simply S92.

S-92 and possibly AW189 affected but AW139 OK.

Some of the AIS always been poorly sorted out and not seen a change there.


marko-99 09 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

R951 in Fort William tonight (pitch black,cloudy,light drizzle) to do a Medevac to Glasgow. Does this mean that it is fully NVG capable? It did punch a hole in the cloud rather quickly after it took off and then levelled out at 7000ft.
OP Jim Fraser 10 Aug 2015
In reply to marko-99:

Punch a hole is the S-92's party trick. Straight up, over the top and let-down on radar over the Moray Firth. Their de-icing and all the other good electric toys on that thing enable them to head into trouble and always be able to get back out (up!) in a way that would bring a Sea King a whole load of grief. (The AW189 will have the same capabilities.)

No more spending all day/night hover taxiing back across country in the mist/snow or all the way round past Durness.

This is not really connected with NVG. In fact, we can go further than that and say that in the circumstances when this party trick is most useful, NVG may sometimes be unusable because light levels will be too low. Yes, too low.

DFT 18536258 v11 Version 1.0
NRP10045UKSARHSch2.1Specification
4.2.2.1.3
The Avionics Suite must enable Aircrew to conduct aided visual searches in low light conditions down to 2 mlux.
[2mlux is taken to be a near moonless clear night without cultural lighting.]

The best kit goes significantly beyond that spec. We can be sure that the Bristow NVG beats the spec by a margin. However, once you have thick cloud and no cultural lighting it gets to something beyond just dark that most modern Europeans probably don't understand exists.

marko-99 11 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> in a way that would bring a Sea King a whole load of grief.

Exactly what I was thinking!
I did an autumn Medevac job (Climber with head injuries) with Rescue 177 Sea King in 2013 with identical weather but slightly colder, it took almost 2 hours for it to fly from Prestwick to Fort William, the crew told us that they flew into the bad weather about half way here, no de-icing so not able to go up and over the cloud. In the end they had to creep back down Loch Lomond, around the coast and up towards Oban and then on to the Fort.

As always with R177, very professional and impressive flying but it has to be a good thing that the new aircraft will get the needy to major Hospitals faster and safer.

Jim, on another note - any more news on Lydd or the AW189 FIPS?
OP Jim Fraser 12 Aug 2015
In reply to marko-99:

The line is that after the Inverness situation, no further bases will start without NVG. If we assume that NVG is the problem at Lydd then the NVG training there may have an effect on progress at Inverness and vice versa. Looking like 1st September for Lydd.

There are indicators that earlier optimism was misplaced and FIPS will require another winter. Not happy.

However, it is what it is and it is all still heading in the right direction, if slowly.

MCA reporting is a concern as we close in on the end of milSAR service and next year's ARCC move. As I pointed out earlier,
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7989505
their reporting has had clear shortcomings for some time and there is currently no indication of useful improvement.

One for Mrs Ellman and the Honourable Members I think.

 Dave B 14 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

According the RNLI Margate lifeboat, Lydd starts operationally at 14:00 today. I have no further info currently.

My previous comment about which airframe would be using was poorly worded and was simply meant to indicate that there would not be the finally intended airframe initially.
marko-99 14 Aug 2015
In reply to Dave B:

Thats a welcome surprise about Lydd, I dont think anyone was expecting it to go live before 1st September after it missed its August start date, well done to all involved.

NEXT - St Athan.
Is anything training over there? Has anyone seen the new base? is that where the other 2 AW139 are going?
OP Jim Fraser 14 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The rumour mill has had a few indicators for Lydd start during the last couple of days but I wasn't taking that too seriously until lunchtime today.

The plan is for AW139 to stand-in for AW189 at the English and Welsh bases and S-92A to do the Scottish ones. The AW139 and AW189 have, as indicated above, sufficient similarities for the EASA AW189 type rating to half the hours for AW139 pilots. Although this is an important advantage, we should not under-estimate the increased complexity, time and cost involved in operating with a third type.

ADS-B shows G-CIJX was hovering at the cliffs east of Dover this afternoon. Not known if this was operation or training.

Neither of the other two AW139 is showing up on the system at present. It is possible ADS-B is off but more likely that all the resources had been channelled to Lydd recently. I know that the pressure is really on right now. I wouldn't expect much in the next few days but certainly September is likely to get frantic.

We have to anticipate that in the great scheme of things delaying St Athan for a couple of weeks would not be such a big deal if it allowed resources to be channelled to some of the other major tasks. Everybody has to be on the ball with NVG when real darkness starts in Q4. With transition crews still very much a part of the picture and Managed Transition guys still training, there is little slack and limited redundancy in the system. AW189 work still has to progress in the background.

Currently, there is no NVG + FLIR cab in Scotland and a fix for that is urgent.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Quaintly misleading headline here
http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2015/08/14/first-agustawestland-rescue-hel...
as Grough trumpets the "entry into service" of the AW139.
OP Jim Fraser 15 Aug 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:

A bit of a 'party line' article from Grough. Well done for going out and finding these statements but not so well done for not following up on the slightly bizarre picture they paint.
In reply to Jim Fraser:
They have at least acknowledged my comment and corrected the misleading headline.
Nick
Post edited at 13:56
drmarten 15 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> Yes Nick, Same up here. They just dissappear like they are on second-rate radar. This is, after all, about the occasional lost airliner rather than about people who are doing genuinely difficult flying.

Given the holes in coverage and number of aircraft using it, it is third-rate radar. The ADS pudding is somewhat over-egged at the moment.

Back on track the SAR hangar at Prestwick continues to progress, as far as I know they are still expected to go live on Jan 1st 2016.


OP Jim Fraser 17 Aug 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Another milestone in views. 30,000 views now so somebody is still interested. Good.


Elsewhere, UKC is somewhat put in the shade as on one forum the same subject has seen 5700+ posts across 5 threads and attracted over 990,000 views. What that shows is that this contract is very important to the helicopter industry generally and that not just the UK but the world is watching.
 Welsh Kate 02 Sep 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Had a report of a CG liveried chopper flying into St Athan tonight.
OP Jim Fraser 02 Sep 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Not one but two apparently!

AW139s G-CILN and G-CILP arrived at St Athan just as the sun went down. One month work-up period. Not long.


Only one base to start up on this round. Catch-up time perhaps. Full spec for Inverness, fill some gaps and get more AW189 work done.


And a thought for the permanent ending of SAR service at RAF Boulmer. I expect the border and lakes MRT will be hurting over that one.
 Welsh Kate 03 Sep 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

G-CLIN was out again last night over the sea. You're right, there's very little work-up period! Good thing we had a play with Portland CG when they were over a couple of weeks ago!
 Iwan 03 Sep 2015
Llanberis Mountain Rescue seem to be posting a lot of photos on Facebook of team members carrying stretchers. In the days of the Sea King they never posted such photos. I made a comment about this on their Facebook page but they quickly deleted it. I wonder why.
 richprideaux 03 Sep 2015
In reply to Iwan:

They have carried stretchers (and posted photos) for years.
 andrewmc 04 Sep 2015
In reply to Iwan:

> Llanberis Mountain Rescue seem to be posting a lot of photos on Facebook of team members carrying stretchers. In the days of the Sea King they never posted such photos. I made a comment about this on their Facebook page but they quickly deleted it. I wonder why.

Perhaps it is more of a novelty now that they have better helicopters? :P
I also never realised that the Seakings were a Sikorsky design (built under licence here in the UK).
OP Jim Fraser 11 Sep 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
ADS-B shows plenty of activity by the new St Athan AW139s over the Brecons and the Bristol Channel during the last few days. G-CILN over Cwmbach heading home from the Brecons now. Hopefully the essential aircrew stuff will be sorted soon and the MRT and Lifeboats can get to play.

Good luck folks.
Post edited at 12:55
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The last Sea King ZE369 left Valley by road this morning to go into storage at Gosport and the SAR hangars are now empty - end of an era. We understand that the Sea Kings from Boulmer and Chivenor will be flown direct to Gosport when those flights stand down next month.

Meanwhile, down the road at Caernarfon, the Coastguard S-92s have already clocked up their 100th operational sortie.
 Welsh Kate 16 Sep 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:

And it's looking increasingly like the 139s'll go live at St Athan without MRT having had any training with them.
In reply to Jim Fraser:
I was just having a quick look in G-INFO to see if any additional AW189s have been registered, and lo and behold, another S-92A G-MCGY has found its way onto the register. Is this destined for Newquay, and if so is it a tacit admission that 189 icing clearance is going to stay on the wish list for the foreseeable, and that Inverness can look forward to a long and happy future operating the S-92?
Post edited at 22:16
OP Jim Fraser 23 Sep 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:

A few important questions answered here.
http://helihub.com/2015/09/23/bristow-uk-to-import-four-more-sar-s92s-in-pl...

Inevitable.

OP Jim Fraser 02 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A bit of a mystery surrounding the situation at Chivenor and St Athan. A one week delay in the changeover is in place.

In this so-called newspaper article there is the usual uninformed emotive b0110cks.
http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Chivenor-Sea-King-Concerns-private-Brist...

Some reports state the MCA has asked for a this delay.

Elsewhere there are suggestions that the flight at St Athan is ready but some other mysterious reason has led to this situation.

Does anyone know what's going on?


And, more importantly than a few days delay at St Athan, has Boulmer ended service?
OP Jim Fraser 04 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Bristow St Athan active from today.

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Chivenor-search-rescue-handover-official...
Post edited at 15:55
 Welsh Kate 04 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Yes, St Athan had its first callout very shortly after going live earlier today.

We are awaiting our training.
OP Jim Fraser 04 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:


Meanwhile, further north, the GAP contract continues. Rescue 948 at Morvich in typical Kintail autumn weather.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205042414560996&set=a.1186234...
OP Jim Fraser 05 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

CHIVENOR
End of SAR - 22 SQN 'A' Flight RAF Search & Rescue Chivenor North Devon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdrYddajiAU&feature=youtu.be


BOULMER
202/A
youtube.com/watch?v=5m87gtGTdeg&
youtube.com/watch?v=gSB-M-NT-YY&
marko-99 06 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Any Aircraft at Prestwick yet?
Has a start date for training been issued?
Not hearing much at all.
OP Jim Fraser 09 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Things starting to happen at Prestwick.

The new buildings are ready and key personnel are gravitating towards Ayrshire and Cornwall.

At Prestwick, as I understand it, you'll be getting Craig Sweeney AFC as Chief Pilot and Rob Seall as Chief Crewman. These are top guys who, well, don't need to look at a map to work out where Prestwick is! Craig has been keeping his hand in at Bristow Stornoway for the last year or so. I don't have numbers for Managed Transition at Prestwick but the final numbers of highly experienced rum drinkers is expected to be significant.

We now know that Prestwick will start with S-92, though, like Inverness, it is planned as an AW189 base. (Newquay was always planned as a S-92 base.)



Meanwhile at Inverness, Goggle work has been taking place and their full-time low light capability is due to commence, probably on the next shift.


Whatever details some of us may have been moaning about, the job stats continue to show that the HMCG-branded Bristow aircraft are out there doing it A LOT.
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Airborne this morning is G-MCGY / CG924, the first of the stop-gap S-92As making its way south from Aberdeen towards its new station at Newquay.
OP Jim Fraser 11 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Bristow Inverness:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/inverness/718266/busy-first-six-m...

163 jobs in six months.
(Lossiemouth Q2 & Q3, 2014: 121, 2013: 127.)

390 jobs on the Main contract across all bases in spite of late intro of NVG at Inverness and late start at Lydd. The number from Defence Economics at Abbey Wood for 2014 Q2 and Q3 for the predecessor bases was 348. Q2 jobs have been on a slightly reducing trend since 2009.

The use of the term 'taskings' implies that their figure corresponds to the 'callout' numbers from Defence Economics rather than the 'incident' figures which are lower.

Anyway, it looks like CivSAR works.


Next question - Will we ever see proper statistics about UK SAR helicopter work in the future?

Next question - Will CivARCC work?
OP Jim Fraser 11 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
G-MCGZ appeared on the CAA register this week. This is Sikorsky S-92A serial 920262 that was previously listed on the Sikorsky production list as being an offshore variant for Bristow in Louisiana. FAA registration as N262U at Bristow Louisiana was cancelled on Wednesday and it appeared on the CAA register for Bristow Helicopters Ltd of Dyce on Thursday.

Another two aircraft are marked in the recent production list for Bristow Louisiana. Although there are currently no indicators for transfer to UK SAR in the published documents that I have found, one of those aircraft appears to have been already in the skies around Coatesville PA during September. The FAA register is incomplete and no spotters' pics can be found to establish its livery. It remains possible that it could find its way here.
Post edited at 15:20
marko-99 12 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, Im thinking more and more that the S92 airframes that go in to Prestwick will stay there and Bristow will just cancel the 2 AW189 ones from the contract. AgustaWestland have not held up its end of the deal if you ask me.

The Inverness SAR base was also designed as a training base for the AW189 so I would imagine that will stay as planned.
OP Jim Fraser 12 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:


Not a matter for Bristow.

- They did not decide on the diversity of size in the contract.
- They have not been responsible for the AW189 delays.
- They are not the ones who have been trying to turn Westland into a proper commercial civil aircraft supplier.

- They seem to be playing a significant role in pressing AW on development of the 189 and associated role equipment.
- They seem to be assisting in the procurement of additional S-92 aircraft though it seems unlikely that they are paying for them.
- It is believed that they are not paying for the 139 stand-ins.

marko-99 14 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thats pretty much the reasons why I think Bristow will cancel the two AW189 airframes, this and training workload for crews and techs.

Is it not April 2016 that the Falklands SAR contract starts with AW189 helicopters?
Will there be enough cabs built to go round?
OP Jim Fraser 14 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:

I am not expecting the that building sufficient AW189 airframes will be the problem. The basic AW189 seems to be a successful new aircraft that may go through a few occasional problems that you expect with a new type.

The matters that affect AW189 for Bristow and AAR/BIH are principally concerned with the SAR role equipment fit. We can expect that there will be equipment common to both end-users but also equipment that is different. The AAR/BIH requirement for the Falklands will naturally have different priorities from UK SAR and the individuals leading on that contract may have a different approach to those at Bristow. Also, the customer in the Falklands is the current SAR operator.

If I was BIH then I think I'd be using the Bristow situation as a stick to beat AW with.
OP Jim Fraser 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Bristow Inverness crews became fully operational with the low light capability last weekend.


So we are now back where we were six months ago when HALF of the SAR helicopter flights operating in Scotland had a low light capability and then only the two nearest to the equator.

Huh?

And they are typically 140nm apart whereas the flights in southern England, where again only half the flights have a low light capability, are typically 75nm apart, and of course up to 10 degrees nearer the equator.

Makes perfect sense.


Keep calm folks. We're moving forwards!
Post edited at 00:10
 Welsh Kate 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

St Athan had its official opening today with all the brass invited. Still no news on our training.
 Welsh Kate 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

"Bristow’s aircraft and crews have been at the St Athan base since July 2015 making preparations for the service going live and conducting a raft of training exercises with local search and rescue partners"

er.....
OP Jim Fraser 16 Oct 2015
In reply to Welsh Kate:


I can tell you're impressed.
 d508934 21 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

http://cro.org.uk/incident-712015-oct-20th-tue-17-22-whernside-north-yorksh...

do you know Jim if previously used hospital helipads are all up to required spec for Bristows? wondered if in this example Leeds hospital helipad was perhaps too weedy. or possibly unavailable/not used for other valid reasons.
OP Jim Fraser 22 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

> do you know Jim if previously used hospital helipads are all up to required spec for Bristows? wondered if in this example Leeds hospital helipad was perhaps too weedy. or possibly unavailable/not used for other valid reasons.


I believe that there is a well-appointed, rooftop, lit and staffed helipad, with fire fighting support, at Leeds General Infirmary. It is listed by the Air Ambulance Association but this does not include size and loading. I have no idea if that Helipad was previously used by SAR Force aircraft from Leconfield or Boulmer. However, my understanding is that it does not appear in the 2015 RAF listing of surveyed helipads.

There are many possible reasons for remote road transfer, especially if done from an accredited and well-equipped aerodrome.

If you observe the wording in the report then the words "low cloud" and "loss of daylight" feature prominently and these are likely reasons for the remote landing and road transfer. In spite of the altitude of the airport, in the conditions that appear to have prevailed, it provided an appropriately low risk landing site with wide open approaches and landing areas, radar, nav aids and 24 hour operation.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2265/2223877660_c5a5ff589d_o.jpg
This contrasts sharply with the situation at the LGI helipad in a confined space in the middle of a highly congested area.
http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/45759-1/LeedsGeneralInfirmary-eb271...

Pilots CAN take risks that other civil pilots cannot take when they are undertaking SAR flights for an SAR operator in an SAR aircraft. That elevated risk level is an option to be used when required and is not mandatory.
Post edited at 20:18
 d508934 23 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

thanks Jim, very interesting and informative as always. would be interesting to compare hospital helipads previously used by RAF/RN/Coast Guard and the Sea Kings with what Bristows are now able to use, and see if any are no longer possible, for instance Fort William would of course be of interest. No idea where to start with that though - probably more efficient to just examine the '2015 RAF listing of surveyed helipads' which you mention - is that publicly available?

cheers
marko-99 23 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

Are you asking if the designated landing sites in Fort William are the same for Bristow/CG as they were for RAF/RN SAR aircraft?
Belford Hospital Fort William does not have its own helipad.
OP Jim Fraser 23 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A lot of people probably think that you can land a helicopter anywhere. Well, ...

A licensed 24 hour helicopter landing site is a complicated facility to maintain. I have examined that subject in detail and I know it's true. If you are in the aviation industry and have a staffed facility with already-qualified aviation professionals then it is not so hard but at a mountain rescue base or a hospital it can be a bit of a nightmare. This is why improvisation remains so common.

Helicopter Landing Sites for SAR and air ambulance are a problem everywhere in the UK but especially at a significant number English hospitals. In addition to sites that simply do not have the space or appropriate structures, there are many that haven't got the money to provide a place for somebody else's aircraft to land. Air ambulances in Scotland are part of the NHS and therefore part of an integrated system so there is more pressure for estates people to build helipads. Once you build one then you might as well make it suitable for all the aircraft that the EMRS http://www.emrsscotland.org/ are likely to use. With a charity air ambulance and the boundary issues, things don't splice together so well.

Even at a mountain rescue base that folk think is in the middle of nowhere, there are problems. Often the ground is not good. Rural properties are more likely than urban ones to have overhead lines for telephone and electricity and at only 5 to 7 metres and on brown poles they can be a devil to spot. Livestock, tents, newly mown hay, ...



Some military Flight Information Publications are available for sale to civil aviators.
https://www.aidu.mod.uk/Milflip/



Some sites were already next year, next year, next year for accommodating 9 tonne Sea Kings and now we have 12 tonne S-92.
drmarten 23 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim,when a SAR flight rocks up at a hospital with a casevac are there firefighters in attendance? Do the hospitals provide any ground crew of any sort, or does a flight operate purely independently? I'm thinking the NHS won't provide any staff but perhaps the local fire brigade may make a standby appearance?
marko-99 23 Oct 2015
In reply to drmarten:

Local Coastguard Rescue Teams were always called out in Fort William and the whole west coast of the Scottish Highlands to assist with Helicopter landings. These were not just the Coastguards own helicopters but also SAS Helimed and Royal Navy (CasEvac)
Its actually part of the local Coastguard SAR Teams job, manning Helicopter Landing Sites. Helimed can only operate at night (low light) with them present as the teams have green and red landing lights that have to be used before it can land. Usually its the ARCC that tasks them.
Firefighters are usually used in cities that are not near water (no local Coastguard teams nearby) or at Hospitals where fuel for the aircraft is present (I think)
drmarten 23 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:

Thanks for that Marko, I wasn't aware of the Coastguard's role.
OP Jim Fraser 25 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
> ... .... a stick to beat AW with.

And so it came to pass.
Post edited at 00:29
OP Jim Fraser 25 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> ... ... 1st April 2016.

> - AAR/BIH/ARS, using AW189 on a MoD contract, commences service to replace SAR Force in the Falkland Islands

> It therefore remains possible, though maybe not likely, that the UK SAR will not be the first deployment of the AW189 for SAR service. ...


The first of two SAR variants of the AW189 is now undergoing flight testing at Milan. It is on the Italian register using one of AW's prototype registrations.

Introducing a new type to SAR service in a territory thousands of miles from base and from the manufacturer's plant or from any major aviation infrastructure carries considerable risk. The type of back-up plan suitable for the UK would be useless. The type of collaborative effort that makes life possible in territories like the Falklands will be necessary in this case to ensure that the contract does not stumble.

 d508934 26 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:
> Are you asking if the designated landing sites in Fort William are the same for Bristow/CG as they were for RAF/RN SAR aircraft?

That's it, had naively assumed landing sites would be the same (for Fort Bill and nationally)

> Belford Hospital Fort William does not have its own helipad.

ah, i am mistaken and blame my crap memory. although wikipedia disagrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belford_Hospital (but I'll ignore that for now!)
Post edited at 09:54
OP Jim Fraser 26 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

Fort William, both hospital and MRT, has been relying for years on the fact that in the Highlands it is generally not hard to find a space to land a helicopter.

The improvised solutions have been the West End car park, Ben Nevis Industrial Estate and disused land at Carr's Corner. Unfortunately for Lochaber MRT, Ben Nevis Industrial Estate has bucked the normal Highland trend and there are objections to helicopters landing there.

You might look at the bags of space near the new police station that is about the same distance from Lochaber MRT base as Carr's Corner and an ambulance is normally there anyway. Well the whole scenario is soon to change since some of that land has recently been purchased for building a new Belford Hospital.
http://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/1330169-highland-council-buys-land-in-...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34452008
A full-on 12+ tonne lit helipad is bound to be part of that. Surely?


There are a few reasons why landing sites might differ between providers.

One is that 'restrictions in training' differ slightly. What that is about is that the same risk level is not used in training as is used in an operational flight so this will affect the choice of landing site during training sorties. There have always been differences between providers. RN and RAF practices have developed and converged during the last 15 years because of Joint Helicopter Command and the Military Aviation Authority. Bristows are under CAA rules and will operate under procedures developed by the company and the CAA for the contracted task.

A second is that the aircraft size, weight and performance are different.

Sometimes it is just that somebody didn't get the memo!

 d508934 26 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

thanks again Jim. would have thought that some thought had gone into this in advance wrt the difference between training exercises and the real deal once Bristows becomes active, and that CAA regulations would have been cross referenced to available landing sites for SAR use across the country, so that they know where they can and cannot land in different eventualities.

There has been a few years to work this out I'd have thought! Will be charitable and assume it's all in hand...
OP Jim Fraser 26 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

Best not to assume joined-up thinking as it's not very British.
 d508934 26 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

does indeed seem as if the private sector influence was insufficient to correct the usual public sector approach!
OP Jim Fraser 26 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

> does indeed seem as if the private sector influence was insufficient to correct the usual public sector approach!


Quite.

A letter I wrote about helicopter privatisation to Danny Alexander MP on 18th May 2010 included the following bullet point.
"Private is not better than public. Good contracts are better than bad contracts. Good management is better than bad management. "
marko-99 27 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

> That's it, had naively assumed landing sites would be the same (for Fort Bill and nationally)

Landing sites are a bit of a concern in Fort William, we have gone from 4 to just 2 in a very short time, and one of those is only for the next few years. This is not because of the new Bristow/Coastguard contract, if the MOD Sea Kings had been going for the next few years they would be in the same predicament.

1 - As Jim says,objections to helicopters landings in the Ben Nevis Industrial Estate have been going on for the last few years, business properties have been left empty due to the noise and very close proximity to the LMRT base. Also Police had so many calls about noise from the houses that surround the Industrial Estate that they had to stop aircraft landing at certain times and only able to land for casualties.

2 - The West End Car Park is no longer used because there are so few Police Officers to man it when SAR Helicopters land. This could be fixed by them calling the local Coastguard Team to do it - as I mentioned before, but between the Police, The ARCC and Bristow nobody is speaking to each other so its game over.

3 - Carrs Corner - This is actually the best landing site we have but the land is rented, and earmarked for Housing and as such Bristow, the local Council nor the MOD wanted to spend any money on it as it is short term.

4 - The Belford Hospital is years and years away from getting built on the old Tesco site (if it ever goes ahead) even if that does happen Ive been told that it would only be for the SAS HeliMed aircraft, again for noise and close proximity to future businesses.

The sad thing is that no one is doing anything about a designated landing site and the blame will probably fall at Bristow's or the Coastguards door.
OP Jim Fraser 28 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> 2 - The West End Car Park is no longer used because there are so few Police Officers to man it when SAR Helicopters land. This could be fixed by them calling the local Coastguard Team to do it - ... ...

You would think the new Coastguard management could fix that.


> 4 - ... .... Ive been told that it would only be for the SAS HeliMed aircraft, again for noise and close proximity to future businesses.

So no full spec EMRS for residents of Lochaber unless the job can be squeezed into a 145T2?


> ... ... the blame will probably fall at Bristow's or the Coastguards door.

Always.


So anyway, where would the Bond 105/135/365/332 have been operating from? Back in 2010, Fort William was being presented as the ideal aeronautical location. Cough! ... Splutter! ...
 d508934 28 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:
thanks for the detail Marko. Seems crazy that things are getting to this stage with no clear plans for the new contractor. I wonder if BMC/SMC could investigate? presumably LMRT and Scottish Mountain Rescue have made preferences known but that no-one is listening.
Post edited at 12:13
marko-99 28 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> You would think the new Coastguard management could fix that.

The new "Future Coastguard" will probably get on the case...... In the future!

> So no full spec EMRS for residents of Lochaber unless the job can be squeezed into a 145T2?

RN Sea Kings and CG S92s did EMRS jobs in the past when the SAS Air Ambulance was unavailable or could not fly due to bad weather and the AW189 and S92 will continue, but landing at Carrs Corner and not the planned new hospital.



marko-99 28 Oct 2015
In reply to d508934:

I think the Highland Council should really be the ones getting prodded about this, as a dedicated helicopter landing site is vital to the Fort William area. I do know that the local council is aware of this problem.
In the end I think it comes down to money, whoever is paying for it will have to buy quite a large bit of land, enough for more than one airframe, just a few months ago we had R177, R948, R951 and Helimed 5 land here in a 6 hour period.

LMRT would obviously want the aircraft to land at their base in the Ben Nevis Industrial Estate and there is several good reasons for this but the people making the decisions (Police,local Council, CAA) will always have the final say.
marko-99 28 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, I thought all SAR AW189`s would be built in Yeovil, not just the UK Coastguard ones?

http://helihub.com/2015/10/28/falklands-sar-aw189-test-flying-in-full-colou...
OP Jim Fraser 29 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:

If you don't like helicopters then it is probably a mistake to live at the bottom of Britain's highest mountain or near a medical facility anywhere in Scotland.

It is common that during the most dangerous phases of flight, local government insist on making things more difficult than they need to be. Asking any aircraft to be quiet is a major safety issue and more so for helicopters than planks. The only way to have a low power and quieter helicopter operation is with a runway. Clearly, that is not going to happen in aeronautically-challenged Fort William (and it is of limited use for a 145 on skids).

Generally, the more you constrain helicopter operations, the more intense the noise and downwash problems are going to be at some stage of the flight. Uncertainty, which has dogged the Fort William situation for years, is another way of making things much worse because pilots spend more time at low level wondering which landing site is viable and acceptable or waiting for somebody to move their car.

What is needed is planning. Who is responsible for planning? Eh ... local government.

Here is what is written about noise at an airport with a lot of helicopter traffic.
"Properties within 10 miles of (this) Airport should expect to be exposed to helicopter traffic ... .
... ... The pilot is required to fly in the safest manner possible taking into account various parameters such as weather conditions, other aircraft, whilst remaining within Rules of the Air."


(25 years ago, I was in a road traffic accident in Lochaber with at least 6 casualties and I can tell you that there are some people alive and still able to walk today because helicopters landed in and around Fort William. Thank you Belford. )
OP Jim Fraser 29 Oct 2015
In reply to marko-99:
> Jim, I thought all SAR AW189`s would be built in Yeovil, not just the UK Coastguard ones?


(Nice cab. Lots of smiley faces around at BIH & ARS. Apologies to anyone I ignored at the bar at Glenmore Lodge last Saturday night. I was receiving Falklands helicopter porn on my phone!)

See above.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x8151679
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x8158380

The Falklands contractor has inherited knowledge from the UK SAR main contract process related to the AW189 SAR version. Remember that more than one bidder was planning to use AW189 therefore knowledge of that aircraft became quite widely spread across the industry. If you have a smaller and more agile organisation and key personnel have world-class specialist experience then maybe you can achieve more than with a larger organisation with key managers who are not appropriate specialists.

AW are in a bad place over this. The SAR role equipment problems that affect Bristow have also affected BIH. BIH may have a few advantages. Different customer, more agile organisation, key personnel, slightly different pattern of expected tasking, but most of all they can use the Bristow situation as a big stick to beat AW with.

Can you imagine how bad it is going to look for AW if a second SAR contract is late because of problems with their aircraft? If they can make sure that the AW189 starts on time in the Falklands then it's all about Bristow. If the AW189 doesn't start on time in the Falklands then it's all about Agusta Westland. So how important is it to them that the Falklands aircraft are right?

And it will get even more complicated yet.

Wait until you hear Bristow people talking about this! The next few months will be very revealing. Don't take any notice.
Post edited at 04:44
OP Jim Fraser 31 Oct 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
The General Committee of Scottish Mountain Rescue heard a presentation from the Deputy Chief Coastguard, Dougie MacDonald on Saturday Morning at Glenmore Lodge.

QUESTION
How many people with aviation experience in general and SAR aviation experience in particular will he have working there?

ANSWER
4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC

Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.
Also:
- Manager of ARCC reports to Deputy Chief Coastguard.


QUESTION
How much direct involvement will there be with SAR aircraft during training?

ANSWER
During December or January, there will be visits to ARCC Kinloss and Inverness base.


OTHER
Reassurance was given about NVG preparedness at Prestwick. It was indicated that most Prestwick crew are ex-mil with NVG experience. This fits with what I have already been told by others.
Post edited at 22:18
drmarten 05 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

What role are those controllers carrying out?

I'm sure I read something on the BBC about a helo turning up at Prestwick to begin training this week but I can't find it unfortunately.

In reply to drmarten:

The new arrival at Prestwick was G-MCGG, formerly the training aircraft at Stornoway.
Nick
marko-99 05 Nov 2015
In reply to drmarten:



> I'm sure I read something on the BBC about a helo turning up at Prestwick to begin training this week but I can't find it unfortunately.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13943862.New_search_and_rescue_helicopte...
drmarten 05 Nov 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis/marko :

Thanks for the info, the link reads much the same as the article I'm positive I read on the BBC but neither article mentions the full story, being as they are press releases from Bristow.
I found this article while searching for the elusive piece, now this is how you accompany an article with a picture. Quite limited in numbers, problems with certification and poor hovering capabilities.

http://article.wn.com/view/2015/11/04/New_Search_and_Rescue_Helicopter_Arri...

Any info on the roles of those controllers?
OP Jim Fraser 05 Nov 2015
In reply to drmarten:

> Any info on the roles of those controllers?

As I understand it, these folks will be similar to ARCC controllers now. Often, those have been former SAR pilots from RAF SAR Force (Flt Lt) and sometimes Fleet Air Arm. The controller provides overall direction and authority during the shift while the deputy controllers (typically SNCO former rear-crew) are working the systems to make it all happen. an HF operators in the radio room and an airman and a Corporal on the MCC are the other shift members. I think OC ARCC would normally be on days and be a Sqn Ldr.

I don't have detailed information about how the MCA will man the shifts but recruiting info and other snippets indicate that the core staffing may be broadly similar.

I have a current organisation chart for the associated MCA management structure including transition management, external professional advisor and finance. Like the UK SAR Helicopter Service, regardless of the branding, this is not a Coastguard operation but MCA/DfT.

There are conflicting reports about the experience of the staff who have been recruited. It may be that there is some confusion between the controllers and ordinary operators. Currently, I am not expecting operators to arrive at the new ARCC with the aviation focus and experience of the RAF NCOs who have done this previously. One might ask if more may fall on the controller and manager: ranked like Gp Capt and Sqn Ldr but paid like Flying Officers.



Although there is evidence that some things will be different, there is not evidence of anything that makes me expect failure. As with the UK SAR Helicopter Service, there are those out there who are expecting failure. I am concerned and a bit skeptical but won't be expecting failure unless I see proper evidence for it.

OP Jim Fraser 05 Nov 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:

> The new arrival at Prestwick was G-MCGG, formerly the training aircraft at Stornoway.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x8092217

Fast becoming Bristow's turn to make it up as they go along. I can't find any evidence of the fabled two further S-92A in the near future. Not worried.
drmarten 06 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Thanks for that Jim, another piece of the pie I wasn't aware of. I've come to expect teething problems in most complex projects these days. The worries come with the extent of the teething problems and how they are dealt with, but they'll get there in the end.
OP Jim Fraser 06 Nov 2015
In reply to drmarten:


It is interesting to consider how we would have viewed this 10 or 20 years ago. The answer, of course, is that most of us wouldn't. A couple of poorly informed column inches here and there and that's your lot.

When Fleet Air Arm SAR first came under ARCC 35 years ago and when ARCC moved from Plymouth and Pitreavie to Kinloss 20 years ago, who knew any of the detail?
marko-99 06 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim, I think I can remember at the Bristow SAR event a couple of winters ago up in Inverness this coming up (I know you were also at it) but not talked about at depth as the future about ARCCK was not made public at that time.

I have also spoke to the Coastguards west of Scotland Commander and he told me about 18 months ago that personnel (RAF/NAVY/CG/CIV) were training then at ARCC Kinloss for the new implementation, so can we now assume that things have probably already changed?
Is it not just a change of base that happens now?
OP Jim Fraser 06 Nov 2015
In reply to marko-99:

> Jim, I think I can remember at the Bristow SAR event a couple of winters ago up in Inverness this coming up (I know you were also at it) but not talked about at depth as the future about ARCCK was not made public at that time.

That was the Inverness Bristow Engagement Event on 5th December 2013.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x7596908
Contract award had been nearly 9 months earlier.

Damien Oliver, the MCA's Asst Director Aviation was there for the MCA. However, nobody was saying publicly which way it was going to go at that time.

Probably, the MoD had already made it clear that it was divesting itself of all SAR tasks. (And of course at a time when we are absorbing stuff into the defence budget to try to convince our NATO partners that we are spending enough, this is all quite ridiculous.)


> I have also spoke to the Coastguards west of Scotland Commander and he told me about 18 months ago that personnel (RAF/NAVY/CG/CIV) were training then at ARCC Kinloss for the new implementation, so can we now assume that things have probably already changed?

> Is it not just a change of base that happens now?

The ARCC announcement was one year after that engagement event. The advertising to recruit Senior Aeronautical Operations Officers and Aeronautical Operations Controllers started in January 2015, so there was no training associated with this 18 months ago. The first specialist aeronautical training that I am aware of was at RAF Shawbury this spring. A visit to ARCCK is due to happen in a few months.

I am not aware of any arrangement for Managed Transition in the ARCC plan or whether there are current staff transferring through their own efforts. As far as I know, on 1st April 2016 it is new base, new command and control system and new staff.


[I have an intimate and up-to-date (today) knowledge of trying to get the Government to pay for travel between north Morayshire and the SE of England. Not easy. Never imagine that things like that happen just because they are important. By the time Osborne is finished with us in 2020, this sort of thing will be sorted out with a voucher for bicycle hire.]

OP Jim Fraser 12 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

AW 189 for Falklands SAR.

8600Kg MAUW
4.30hrs endurance
Over 165Kts certified max level speed
40kts side ways and backwards
Great OEI performance (the 189 has the same engines as the S92 but is 2 -3 tonnes lighter)
180 degree radar with multiple target tracking
EO Pod with IR sensor
CCD HD daylight cam and IR laser range finder (which can feed target details to FMS)
Trakka white/IR moveable searchlight (both that and EO pod can auto track aligned with radar and target transfer to FMS)
AIS
Multiband multi target homing
Digimap
HF
Satcom with digimessaging
Polycom winchman radio
Full V/UHF FM and AM
Duplex SAR AFCS with full SAR transition, autohover and search pattern modes with FMS coupling
Cabin Mission Console with 4 separate display sections for all mission display and control capability
full NVG capablity
Duplex hoist
bespoke SAR cabin design with specialised rotatable crew seats and versatile tunnel storage
installed Oxygen (All Thx to IB)
4 independent white/IR moveable spotlights and 2 hover floods
good icing and snow clearance
USL hook
wire cutters
5 external camera
full HD video and audio and FMS recording
Aircraft intranet
and more......

Probably carrying a few of the same short-comings as the Bristow aircraft including electrical power management issues and software matters. Still nearly 5 months left to sort stuff.

They have the advantage of having only two aircraft to put into service.

There are some pluses and minuses but the spec is not hugely different from Bristow's. It may feel different to the rear-crew though.

OP Jim Fraser 12 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Currently quite quiet on the AW189 front with Bristow and AW-Yeovil. So will they surprise us or will it be 2016-Q3? I am thinking Q3.


So if they are still up to their necks in AW189 work through to this time next year, and G-MCGG has had to go south, what chance NVG at Stornoway and Sumburgh before 2017? Still living in hope.
 Welsh Kate 12 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The online training module for the 189 is live, which suggests movement of sorts.
OP Jim Fraser 16 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Oops. A wee spot of bother for Caernarfon's Golf Juliet.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=874193069336813&id=13529578...

All helicopters have a very limited ability to deal with sloping ground. In Alpine countries and North America there are countless stories of aircraft landing on slopes at ski resorts and not able to get off again or sliding into greater difficulty.

The technical spec in the contract, in Schedule 2.1, at 4.1.1.1.2, is 10 degrees.
OP Jim Fraser 18 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The stats are out today!

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ter-statistics

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...september-2015


A serious amount of work being done by these folks.
1
 Tom the tall 18 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Is the incident with CRO the first mechanical failure?
Report here: http://wp.me/p5l0u2-gr
Edit: just seen you linked to the Facebook report of the same incident above, sorry!
Post edited at 22:15
 Jon Wickham 19 Nov 2015
In reply to Tom the tall:

The CRO Ingleborough incident does beg the question, what would have happened if the incident hadn't been close enough for a vehicle mounted crane to be used? We know in the past that the RAF have extracted a u/s Sea King with a Chinook. Does Bristow have a MOU with the RAF for this?
OP Jim Fraser 21 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Links morphing depending upon where I paste them again!

DfT SAR Helicopter stats.

General page.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/search-and-rescue-helicopter-stat...

This period.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/search-and-rescue-helicopter-stati...

OP Jim Fraser 21 Nov 2015
In reply to Tom the tall:

> Is the incident with CRO the first mechanical failure?

SAR or HEMS aircraft sliding or sinking after landing on sloping ground is not new! It happens all the time to 3 tonne helicopters in many parts of the world and we shouldn't be too surprised if it occasionally happens here to 12 tonne aircraft.

Sliding on sloping ground.
youtube.com/watch?v=ie2JmWy26_c&

The rotor system likes a nice smooth symmetrical relationship with the landing gear and there are a few things that can go very badly wrong when the force vectors get screwed up there.

Ground resonance.
youtube.com/watch?v=0FeXjhUEXlc&
youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2CAzEpytU&

IF the pilot of GJ got into that situation through his actions to avoid incipient ground resonance = HERO.
OP Jim Fraser 29 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

GY and GZ at Newquay.
http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Second-search-rescue-helicopter-dubbed-Cornish/...


Prestwick believed to be working to stay ahead of the plan by being out there training with SAR partners.
Anyone care to provide more detail?

 Lucy Wallace 29 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

We've been training with the Prestwick crew (Arran): https://www.facebook.com/arranMRTfundraising
OP Jim Fraser 29 Nov 2015
In reply to Snoweider:

> We've been training with the Prestwick crew (Arran): https://www.facebook.com/arranMRTfundraising


Great pictures.
OP Jim Fraser 29 Nov 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

One S-92A at Prestwick and two at Newquay?

Well, let's see. There are already 6 x S-92A in Scotland, three of which are spare aircraft, and Prestwick is 290nm nearer the engineering base at Dyce than Newquay. Makes sense.

However, maybe something else will turn up by the New Year. I can't think why though.
marko-99 05 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A strange one today on Flightradar24, aircraft "OYHIH" flying from Norwich to Aberdeen is showing up as a small jet but on Shipfinder it is showing as a SAR Helicopter, could it be a SAR AW189?
In reply to marko-99:

According to the Danish civil register, OY-HIH is an AW139, newly registered (1.12.15) to Atlantic Airways in the Faroe Islands, presumably making as much progress as the weather allows on its delivery flight.

Nick
In reply to Jim Fraser:

> However, maybe something else will turn up by the New Year. I can't think why though.

To plug the gap between the S-92 and AW189 registrations, S-92A G-MCGL has now been registered and ferried from Southampton to Aberdeen. If, as it is probably safe to assume, this one is destined for Prestwick, we now have a full complement of 14 S-92s at 7 stations, plus 7 AW139s at Lydd, Lee, Portland and St Athan. Who needs 189s?

Nick
 jonny taylor 06 Dec 2015
In reply to Lapis Cambrensis:

> Who needs 189s?

Somebody who doesn't fancy having a large auxiliary fuel tank sitting in the middle of the cabin?

(Not to knock the aircraft as a whole though. Although it is clearly designed around maritime work and not mountain work)
marko-99 06 Dec 2015
In reply to jonny taylor:

> Somebody who doesn't fancy having a large auxiliary fuel tank sitting in the middle of the cabin?

> (Not to knock the aircraft as a whole though. Although it is clearly designed around maritime work and not mountain work)

Its yet to be seen if the AW189 is designed for mountain work with that big belly. Its auxiliary fuel tank could be more of a hindrance than the one in the cabin of the S92.
OP Jim Fraser 07 Dec 2015
In reply to marko-99:

21st century Wessex.

In the fullness of time, I am expecting to see admirable work from the AW189 and we will easily see why it is worth having the two type on the contract. It is smaller and lighter, very powerful, and possesses important control features.

I say "in the fullness of time" not only because of the current delays but for the reasons outlined above
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=558507&v=1#x8013139
as follows.

"With SAR aircraft that have nearly a forty year history in the role, crews have access to a huge pool of knowledge about how the ageing Westland Sea King behaves in almost any circumstances. Although the Sikorsky S-92 is a highly capable aircraft and has been in SAR service for eight years, the knowledge base is a mere splash compared to the Sea Kings vast pool. The regulatory framework for civilian SAR in the UK during that period has not been highly developed and that has further restricted the development of the S-92 SAR knowledge base. The knowledge base for the AW189, no matter how capable the aircraft, is a tiny droplet when measured on the same scale."


marko-99 16 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

UK – Second SAR S92 arrives at Prestwick -
http://helihub.com/2015/12/16/uk-second-sar-s92-arrives-at-prestwick/

Jim, do you know if there are any more SAR AW189 being assembled at Yeovil?
The two Falkland SAR cabs came from Italy and it was my understanding that all SAR AW189 would be built in the UK at Yeovil.
Its still my belief that the S92 cabs in place now will stay and the AW139 cabs will get replaced with the AW189`s in the future.
OP Jim Fraser 17 Dec 2015
In reply to marko-99:

We know that there are seven on the register and most of those have been flown. The remaining registrations remain unused. Unless you have ten non-S-92A aircraft in the fleet then the DfT's plan for service resilience that was central to the contract process from October 2012 onwards does not happen. At that point there is a serious mismatch between the reasons for awarding to Bristow and reality. Although things could still go wrong, there is little chance of AW189 not being on-time in the Falklands and therefore this far more like it is all about Bristow.

£1.6bn is a lot of money to give to somebody who is doing half of it. Remember there was talk of a two contractor contract like GAP at one stage. They could easily have put Lot 2 to Bond, who would have been all over AW from day one.
marko-99 17 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

The Dft, MCA and Bristow are getting the finger pointed at them from all directions but surely the UK Government should carry most of the blame as massive pressure was put on the bidders to use the AW189 even though it had hardly turned a blade at time of the contract being awarded.
I think the bidders for SARH that were going to use the EC225 Super Puma never stood a chance of winning the contract, but if they had won, how would things look now?
OP Jim Fraser 17 Dec 2015
In reply to marko-99:

The 225 is a great machine and it is used in several challenging territories for SAR. I think the maker's spec for SAR states 3 stretchers and 6 seats which puts it into Lot 1 territory. Not as good a fit at that accommodation level as the S-92 though. More of a candidate for a single-type fleet in Lot 3 but we know that was a non-starter from about Oct 2012 onwards. The 225 wasn't exactly popular in late 2012 and through 2013.

Looking around the market, where would you go for an economical machine for Lot 2 spec during that period? Take a big risk on the AW189 or take a big big risk on the EC175?

You could argue the toss on the range and endurance side of things but in the real world of high latitude SAR you want serious margins there and that is what we now have in both UK SAR and FI SAR.

The PR machine is now telling everyone that the issue is all about FIPS and that this is being fixed this winter.

Well sorry folks but many knew two years ago that FIPS certification could easily slip to winter 2016/17 because that is just what happens with that stuff. That meant that AW189 might have had to enter service in April 2015 on a LIPS (limited) icing spec (which is certified for a range of conditions that sound a bit like a Scottish winter).

So it's not all about FIPS. Bristow management have no sense of history. Long ago, Alan Bristow was sacked by Westland for punching his somebody. (Call that 'The Westland Affair I' and this is something like 'The Westland Affair XIII'.)

If we get FIPS paperwork sorted in Q2 2016 and deployment at Lydd in Q3 then Yeovil have time to get their act together and re-work all the other issues. (Drum Rrrrrrroll ... ) Yes, it looks like it was all about FIPS and people save face. We already know that generally the journos in the industry specialist press are either not bright enough, or otherwise not inclined, to see through to the truth.
OP Jim Fraser 18 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

A wee reminder of where we are now. The implementation phase is scheduled to be complete on 1st July 2017.

Bristow Prestwick and Newquay start on 1st January to replace the two Fleet Air Arm flights.

Between 1st January 2016 and 1st July 2017 there are four things due to happen.

- AW189 _ (aka The Westland Affair Mk XIII)
- NVG for Stornoway and Sumburgh _ (Pleeeease.)
- GAP to MAIN contract changeover at Lee and Sumburgh (1st Apr 2017) then Stornoway (1st Jul 2017)
- End of service at Portland (30th Jun 2017)
OP Jim Fraser 24 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Golf Lima arrived at Prestwick.

youtube.com/watch?v=zGJ9slPQuCQ&
OP Jim Fraser 24 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

MCA youtube channel with lots of helicopter video.

https://www.youtube.com/user/officialCoastguard/videos
OP Jim Fraser 31 Dec 2015
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Tomorrow morning in Ayrshire and Cornwall the sun rises over a new era.


Not a dry eye in the house.



Forward!
 fmck 01 Jan 2016
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Watched the navy chopper fly over my house last night heading south to Prestwick. Seemed lower than usual which was nice, but very sad.
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Jim,

I don't pretend to understand all the issues involved, but I'm glad that there are people like you who are around to try to make sure the change has as little impact on 'us' as possible.

I thank you Sir.
marko-99 02 Jan 2016
In reply to Jim Fraser:

Rescue 999 first tasking 1/1/16

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1117418438283086&id=1...

Crew was ex Lossie Sea King, Prestwick Sea King and Stornoway S92
OP Jim Fraser 03 Jan 2016
In reply to marko-99:

Yes, there have been a lot of changes at Stornoway over the period of this contract. A few key players have moved around. All told there were to be 78 Managed Transition aircrew which probably equates to a majority of the aircrew at some bases once they have done their training and the Transition Team is phased out. It will be several months yet before everyone from Managed Transition is on shift at Prestwick at which point you will often find that there are the same people hovering over you and meeting you at the door.

In reply to Jim Fraser:

Each time I read your posts on this subject I feel reassured that the biggest change in search and rescue in my lifetime has been managed fairly well. Are my thoughts accurate or should I be worried about the lack of the yellow helicopter buzzing me in the future?
OP Jim Fraser 04 Jan 2016
In reply to Eeyore:

The essentials are that the people doing the job are largely the same though with some additional diversity of background which generally is a good thing, the regulator has got behind the process and created an appropriate framework for capable and safe SAR ops, the new kit is way ahead of the old stuff, and it is the UK's first entirely-planned SAR helicopter service.

I believe that it is already, even in these early months, an equivalent service. That does not mean that it is exactly the same but the pluses and minuses balance out reasonably. As we move forward, I expect overall capability to improve.

Even without contractorisation, there would be some capability droop as far as the most challenging technical flying is concerned. This would have happened if the military had been given new aircraft. And please believe me, without contractorisation, the military were either going to get new aircraft or we would have no service. (The SAR Force motto was already destined to change to something like "stillante portasse oleum ardens instructis apparatu bellico".)


Concerns? I have expressed a few of those above but I shall try to summarise.

LAND SAR
The clue being in the name; MARITIME and COASTguard Agency; that it may take them a bit of time to fully grasp what they have taken on and establish a body of experienced people within the MCA who understand this stuff. It is currently looking like things are on the correct path. (Ask me again after 1st April!)

Many continue to seek convincing assurances that mountain flying will receive the specialist attention and the training time that it deserves.

REAR CREW - SAR TECHNICAL CREW
RAF OR-7/OR-9 (Flight Sergeant/Master Aircrew) Winchop/Winchman on PA Scales or RN OF-2/OF-3 (Lt/LtCdr) Observer are thought to be on significantly lower salaries as Bristow SAR Technical Crew. Previously, I have described this as Trolley-Dolly-In-Drysuit wages. There have been reports that SAR Technical Crew standards at the CAA were being handled by the Chief Cabin Crew Safety Inspector. The standard of rear-crew training provided by the military is unlikely to be equalled for new entrants unless 'SAR Technical Crew' becomes a licensed aviation trade.

This could still happen. It needs to happen well before the current excellent pool of ex-military rear crew retire if the established standards of UK helicopter SAR are to be maintained into the future. There have been signs that some think this is just big HEMS and it is definitely more than that.

MANAGEMENT
On the Falklands Islands SAR contract, AAR-BIH-ARS have had their ups and downs just as anybody else has on something so complicated. In spite of that, they are still on-track to be the first organisation to put a AW189 SAR into service. This has probably been achieved by beating AgustaWestland (now Finmeccanica Helicopters) with a big stick called Bristow.

Bristow, on the other hand, having had the same 16 months as everyone else in the UK SAR Helicopter contract process to get their act together, took another 4 months after contract award to get ink on a contract for eleven AW189s and they are still struggling. Since contract award, the senior management has expanded and most notably includes a training administrator, a Tornado pilot and a Nimrod weapon systems officer: that's right, not thick with dyed-in-the-wool rotor folk.

As April Fool's Day draws closer, the current AW189 SAR situation makes Bristow look more and more like the team that failed to get the best from their supplier and failed to get their aircraft operational. If a BIH AW189 flies out of Mount Pleasant on a SAR mission in early April then Bristow look less than clever and it gets AW (FH) off the hook.

In the middle of all that we still need the AW189 SAR to enter service with Bristow to give the contract greater resilience, to provide a more agile SAR platform and remove the additional costs of the current situation. GAP SAR changeover in 2017, early NVG for GAP SAR North, SAR Technical Crew development, and mountain flying need resources and specialist attention but 2016 is still all about AW189.

AERONAUTICAL RESCUE CO-ORDINATION CENTRE
Some of the heroes of UK Aeronautical SAR fly a desk. For many decades they have flown desks at RAF stations and most recently at Kinloss. From 1st April a new team, working for a new employer (MCA Aviation), will fly desks at NMOC Fareham. These are the people who task all helicopter SAR and access other aerospace SAR resources. This is a major change and many people are extremely concerned about it.

Read the first paragraph of LAND SAR, above. It applies here too.

In reply to Jim Fraser:

thanks for this overview
Follow up thread here: /forums/t.php?t=631925

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