Rockfax Description
Start from a boulder and head right to a shallow groove. Climb this (again little in the way of gear) to an exit under the Needle. © Rockfax

UKC Logbook Description
Start from a boulder and head right to a shallow groove. Up this (not much gear) to an exit under the Needle. (Appears as N route in BMC guides)

Nat Allen 1958

dr_botnik 25/Oct/17 Lead O/S

HVS 4c. Felt terrifying

mrphilipoldham 25/Oct/17 2nd O/S
markfairbank 15/Oct/17 Lead O/S
with Ray Sharples
Flavio 14/Sep/17 Solo O/S
Ben Bransby 18/Jul/17 Solo
keitht 25/May/17 Lead
with Dave Lomas
Chris Ellis 23/Apr/17 TR
with Nige Shaw, Louise Pellett, Rachel Ellis
Nick1812P 11/Apr/17 Solo O/S
DanChad 25/Mar/17 Lead O/S
Chris Murray 25/Mar/17 2nd
Pixie-Andy 14/Aug/16 2nd O/S

I started off route.

with Tony Hextall
Wizzy 14/Jul/16 Solo O/S
Hidden 03/Jul/16 Solo
Hidden 26/Jun/16 Lead O/S
chrisdjackson 05/May/16 Lead O/S
with charlotte
rholdswo 24/Apr/16 Solo O/S
MSchobitz 13/Apr/16 Solo O/S
Calum Wadsworth 13/Apr/16 Lead O/S

No gear until the very top. Basically solo.

with Emma
Hidden 07/Apr/16 Solo O/S
Hidden 03/Apr/16 Lead O/S
MrFantastic 16/Mar/16 Solo G/U
harold walmsley 28/Feb/16 Solo rpt
MrFantastic 25/Jan/16 Solo dnf
buxtoncoffeelover 31/Oct/15 Solo
fuzzysheep01 27/Aug/15 Solo O/S
Sebastien Gastaud 15/Jun/15 Lead O/S
with Nicholas Ballet, Claudia Borrelly
Hidden 24/May/15 Solo O/S
mreynolds 23/May/15 Lead O/S
timreynolds 23/May/15 2nd
bob_cbr 30/Apr/15 2nd O/S
cragsman9000 30/Apr/15 Lead O/S
with Neil
tsjx 26/Apr/15 Lead
with John Mc
Colin Scotchford 18/Apr/15 Lead
Wil Treasure 18/Apr/15 Solo
harold walmsley 05/Apr/15 Solo rpt
luke glaister 04/Jan/15 Lead O/S

Hard to grade. V's 4c climbing. Marginal gear till the bomber gear at the top. If u have off set nuts after the starting moves. Try the gold 1 which is very good. And the red just below it is an air break. Not sure I would enjoy it without them bits in. Might as well solo it...

chrisallan ??/2015 Lead
Hidden ??/2015 2nd O/S
MarkRoe 09/Nov/14 2nd O/S
Tom Keaveny 09/Nov/14 Lead O/S
Jim Slater 12/Oct/14 Solo O/S
Roget 10/Oct/14 Solo O/S
with robin
Robin Nichols 10/Oct/14 Solo O/S
with Roger
Hidden 05/Oct/14 Solo O/S
Hidden 28/Sep/14 Lead
WillDoyle 07/Sep/14 Solo
timcedwards 02/Sep/14 2nd
rockman 02/Sep/14 Lead O/S
timcedwards 02/Sep/14 2nd
robblowen 09/Aug/14 Lead O/S
with Jonny
ashtond6 09/Aug/14 2nd O/S
charvey 20/Jul/14 Solo O/S

Went up and down the first moves a little as I couldn't work our where to start from, but once I'd committed it went smoothly.

robman 24/Jun/14 Solo O/S
Bob M 24/Jun/14 TR
Hidden 30/Apr/14 TR
buxtoncoffeelover 30/Apr/14 TR

No gear after first move until final move, thus toproped with Vicar.

with Vicar
Hidden 30/Mar/14 Lead O/S
GLO 30/Mar/14 2nd
harold walmsley 02/Feb/14 Solo rpt
Martin Davies 19/Oct/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 05/Oct/13 2nd O/S
staceyjg 19/May/13 2nd O/S

No way is this HS! No pro on the first half of this route at all!

JonnoP 27/Apr/13 Lead O/S
with Susie
Roberttaylor 03/Mar/13 2nd O/S
alex toomey 03/Mar/13 Lead O/S
bwestwood 03/Mar/13 Solo
with pete sargeant
pie_eater_pete 03/Mar/13 Solo O/S
with bwestwood
Nick Sillem ??/2013 Solo O/S
harold walmsley 04/Sep/12 Solo rpt

Maybe just 4c as it is quite rounded but can't vote for this

deacondeacon 21/May/12 Solo O/S
givemetea 20/May/12 Lead β
with Tracey Tomlin
Fiona McFarlane ?/May/12 2nd
with Ros MCkendry
mksmith35 01/Apr/12 Solo O/S
Big Lee 06/Nov/11 Lead O/S

VS,4C. Bold with virtually no gear. Placed a poor small cam from the starting block which likely wouldn't have held a fall. The only other piece of gear was a hex placement right at the top.

Hidden 06/Nov/11 2nd
theotherpetehill 22/Oct/11 Solo O/S
Strong Steve 15/Oct/11 Lead O/S
ianjdodd 15/Oct/11 2nd
chumleywarner 20/Aug/11 2nd
charley 20/Aug/11 Lead O/S
edd rab 17/Aug/11 Lead O/S
with Lawrence Rab
SteveM 17/Jul/11 Solo
wi11 21/May/11 Solo O/S
with Frank C
JSA 30/Apr/11 Solo O/S
lithos 24/Mar/11 Lead

hard well protected (fr 1) pull onto face then v.bold for a few moves until bomber gear arrives. Harder than rib and face !

with ade
harold walmsley 14/Mar/11 Solo rpt
Hidden 12/Mar/11 Lead O/S
chrisanderson 12/Mar/11 2nd
Hidden 09/Feb/11 Solo O/S
chumleywarner ??/2011 TR O/S
Tithe Technique ??/2011 2nd O/S
mwatson ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
uphillnow ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 Lead
Hidden ?/Dec/10 -
mattorford 10/Oct/10 Lead
Hidden 30/Sep/10 -
Tony Holdsworth 30/Sep/10 2nd O/S

not much gear

with Guido
Oliver Houston 21/Sep/10 2nd
popebenedictus 16/Aug/10 Solo O/S
with Soloed
Marc Murphy ?/Aug/10 AltLd
shouter 26/Jun/10 2nd
colin milton 26/Jun/10 Lead
with martin
Wil Treasure ??/2010 Lead
The Mountain Goat 17/Oct/09 2nd O/S
with Laurence Davis
r@bag 17/Oct/09 Lead O/S
PenJD 20/Sep/09 Lead O/S
Ketu 30/Aug/09 2nd O/S
Graeme Hammond 30/Aug/09 Lead O/S

THIS IS NOT HS! as per the database on here, Its a serious VS with several unprotected 4c moves above a big boulder. The only gear is right at the top after all the difficulties are over other than a poor size 0 cam at ground level. Nice climb though worth a star if you don't mind things a bit bold

with Rob
mr bounce 04/Jun/09 Lead O/S
Ardo 04/Jun/09 2nd O/S
with Tim
Hidden 03/May/09 Lead O/S
Dizz 03/May/09 2nd
with jt
fatbuoybazza 26/Apr/09 Lead O/S
Oliver Branagan 18/Apr/09 Solo O/S
jgrigson 03/Apr/09 Lead O/S
Hidden 21/Feb/09 Solo
mark_jc ??/2009 -
BRUCESTRAC ??/2009 -
Stig 06/Dec/08 Solo O/S
Brown 06/Dec/08 Solo O/S
petemeads 23/Aug/08 Solo
Hidden 10/Aug/08 Solo
daveagriff ??/2008 Lead
nicki_2712 20/Oct/07 2nd
with Lev
Lev 20/Oct/07 Lead O/S
with Suvi, Nicki
Hidden 19/Oct/07 Lead O/S
lizzie789 19/Oct/07 2nd
with Emma
Hidden 27/Sep/07 2nd
climbingpixie 27/Sep/07 Lead O/S

Green and poorly protected, particularly if you're short.

with Flicka
cpoad 26/May/07 TR O/S
with Clare F
Jim Vach 13/May/07 Lead O/S

No gear placed on route

with Tim Dorsett
Hidden 24/Mar/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 23/Mar/07 2nd
Chris the Tall 03/Feb/07 Solo O/S
Hidden ??/2007 -
Nicos 29/Sep/06 Solo O/S
with solo
dannyboy83 ?/Jun/06 Solo O/S
zcapxa5 05/Sep/04 Lead O/S
with Dave Jennions
Pythonist ?/Aug/04 2nd O/S
Hidden 09/Jun/04 Lead RP
Hidden 02/Jun/04 Lead
Rob Davies ?/Aug/03 Lead
with Les Goram
Mark Stevenson 25/May/03 Solo O/S
Hidden 10/May/01 2nd rpt
Hidden ?/Sep/00 Solo O/S
Howard J 06/Aug/00 2nd
Blod 06/Aug/00 Lead O/S

Hard and bold for HS.

stp ?/May/00 Solo O/S
Hidden ??/2000 -
Simon Pearce ??/1999 -
roncaves 29/Jul/97 Solo
neal 03/Aug/96 Lead O/S
with Stuart Mcleod
Phil1967 09/Jun/95 Lead
with Nick Harris
Laramadness 05/Feb/95 Lead O/S
charlesmfrench 22/Aug/92 Solo O/S
SR1970 ?/May/92 Lead O/S
Iain Thow 07/May/91 Solo
tapley 24/May/90 -
Steve Crowe 06/Aug/89 Solo O/S
John Marsland 20/Jun/89 Solo
Chris the Tall ?/Oct/88 Solo O/S
Andy Say 27/Aug/87 Solo
goi.ashmore 04/Jun/86 Solo O/S
Hidden 01/Feb/81 Solo
Hidden 01/Feb/81 Solo
Nigel Bond 22/Jul/80 Solo
Hidden 12/Aug/79 Solo
Dave Musgrove 10/Aug/75 -
Hidden 27/Mar/73 Lead
mikej 10/Sep/66 Solo
with Ted Markham, John Lee
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