12m.

Rockfax Description
Start just right of the gully and climb boldly rightwards to pass the bulge; continue more easily. Especially hard for the short. © Rockfax

FA. Gilbert Ellis 1950

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Froggatt to Black Rocks (BMC) - The Grade List, Eastern Peak Grit 100 VD- VS, Peak Gritstone S-HVS **+, All trad climbs at Birchen Edge

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MNA123 12 Dec, 2004 Show βeta
βeta: Soloed this route quite a few times but i still can't help shitting it on the lower moves (i'm only 5'8.)
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βeta: Soloed this route quite a few times but i still can't help shitting it on the lower moves (i'm only 5'8.)
Skyfall 6 Sep, 2004 Show βeta
βeta: An excellent route, an unexpected minor classic. The start is maybe 5a if you are 6ft+. For the short, the start is desparate. There didn't seem to me to be any gear until the second break (I didn't see any pockets that would take cams and the 1st break is rounded and flares). Quite stiff at VS in my view.
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βeta: An excellent route, an unexpected minor classic. The start is maybe 5a if you are 6ft+. For the short, the start is desparate. There didn't seem to me to be any gear until the second break (I didn't see any pockets that would take cams and the 1st break is rounded and flares). Quite stiff at VS in my view.
Short&Savage 3 Mar, 2003 Show βeta
βeta: Think the grade on this one is about right, unlike many of the shorter VSs in the area.
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βeta: Think the grade on this one is about right, unlike many of the shorter VSs in the area.
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User Date Style Notes & Partners
Rob Gillespie 2 Jan Solo O/S
Andypeak 3 Nov, 2018 Solo
Jason livesey 23 Aug, 2018 Solo
DubyaJamesDubya 11 Jul, 2018 Solo O/S
JOHNB-W 25 Jun, 2018 Lead
with stuart leflay, andywinfrow
with stuart leflay, andywinfrow
Hidden 17 Jun, 2018 Solo O/S
samrad 13 May, 2018 Solo O/S
Andy England 12 May, 2018 Lead
robert-hutton 10 May, 2018 -
Hidden 5 May, 2018 Lead
Gordon W 19 Apr, 2018 Solo O/S
CraigOsborne 19 Apr, 2018 Solo O/S
Droyd 16 Feb, 2018 Solo rpt
adam carless 12 Oct, 2017 Sent rpt
davesykes 8 Oct, 2017 -
with Nicky Parkin, Stan Halstead, Neil McAdie, morganator
with Nicky Parkin, Stan Halstead, Neil McAdie, morganator
morganator 8 Oct, 2017 Solo
with Dave Sykes, nicola parkin, Neil McAdie, Stan Halstead
with Dave Sykes, nicola parkin, Neil McAdie, Stan Halstead
charvey 27 Aug, 2017 Solo O/S
Marl 8 Aug, 2017 Solo O/S
keitht 9 Jul, 2017 Solo
migs493 8 Jul, 2017 Lead rpt
Rob Jarratt 4 Jul, 2017 TR Needed a little bit of tight to reach the hold. Can't see this as a VS given the landing from the hard bits.
with Jonathan Teale
Needed a little bit of tight to reach the hold. Can't see this as a VS given the landing from the hard bits.
with Jonathan Teale
Fobbit169 1 Jul, 2017 Lead
adam6509 25 Jun, 2017 2nd
with partz
with partz
adam6509 25 Jun, 2017 2nd
with partz
with partz
partz 25 Jun, 2017 Lead O/S
alanblyth 2 May, 2017 2nd dnf Boulder mat might make a more comforting effort, grade feels like a sandbag.
Boulder mat might make a more comforting effort, grade feels like a sandbag.
mrphilipoldham 2 May, 2017 Lead dnf Pulled over the start, couldn't balance and came off.. millimetres off hitting the deck with a side runner round to the right. Chalk everywhere.
Pulled over the start, couldn't balance and came off.. millimetres off hitting the deck with a side runner round to the right. Chalk everywhere.
Hidden 30 Apr, 2017 2nd
samh.uk 30 Apr, 2017 Lead O/S
JasonK 2 Apr, 2017 Lead
Droyd 21 Mar, 2017 Sent O/S V1 move into VDiff soloing, but quite good
with Pete
V1 move into VDiff soloing, but quite good
with Pete
Andy Moles 14 Jan, 2017 Solo
Keith Swainson 27 Dec, 2016 Solo O/S
Hidden 13 Nov, 2016 Solo O/S
Flavio 29 Oct, 2016 Solo O/S
Neilaw 22 Oct, 2016 Lead O/S
with Simon
with Simon
Stroppy 22 Oct, 2016 Solo O/S
with SUMC
with SUMC
Hidden 21 Aug, 2016 Lead O/S
Dale Comley 14 Aug, 2016 Solo O/S
James Oakes 10 Aug, 2016 Solo O/S
jungle 6 Aug, 2016 Lead
simeclimb68 20 Jun, 2016 Solo rpt
samdickensuk 22 May, 2016 Solo O/S
Hidden 15 Apr, 2016 TR dnf
Hidden 9 Apr, 2016 Solo O/S
Jaynie 19 Mar, 2016 TR
with will484
with will484
will484 19 Mar, 2016 TR
with Jaynie
with Jaynie
Hidden 28 Feb, 2016 Solo O/S
Hidden ??, 2016 -
Hidden 15 Oct, 2015 Solo O/S
cragsman9000 4 Oct, 2015 Solo O/S
with bob_cbr
with bob_cbr
bob_cbr 4 Oct, 2015 Solo
Hidden 15 Jun, 2015 Solo O/S
Angus Taylor 11 Jun, 2015 Solo G/U Down climbed the start once, then got on with It. Hard and bold at the Grade
Down climbed the start once, then got on with It. Hard and bold at the Grade
Hidden 9 Jun, 2015 Lead O/S
dominic lee 6 Jun, 2015 Solo
SGD 30 May, 2015 Solo O/S Excellent. But its 5b and no gear
with vholmes
Excellent. But its 5b and no gear
with vholmes
chrisdjackson 17 May, 2015 2nd
amccann 8 Apr, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 18 Mar, 2015 Solo O/S
charley 27 Feb, 2015 Solo O/S backed off this in the past, happy to have finally committed to it today...
backed off this in the past, happy to have finally committed to it today...
John Higgs 13 Dec, 2014 Solo O/S
with Luke_G
with Luke_G
Robin Nichols 10 Nov, 2014 Solo O/S
mikespooner 11 Oct, 2014 Lead O/S
Hidden 26 May, 2014 Solo O/S
Cake 25 May, 2014 2nd O/S
Hidden 25 May, 2014 Lead O/S
AndyRogers 14 Jan, 2014 TR RP Fun times working out the boulder problem start, after that relatively straight forward. another one with no gear tho!
with nick w
Fun times working out the boulder problem start, after that relatively straight forward. another one with no gear tho!
with nick w
Hidden 1 Sep, 2013 2nd dog
JimboWizbo 1 Sep, 2013 Lead O/S Great, hard start.
with BCT
Great, hard start.
with BCT
Hidden 4 Aug, 2013 2nd
Steve Waters, Mynydd 3 Aug, 2013 2nd
mtempest 2 Aug, 2013 Lead
Hidden 2 Jul, 2013 Solo
domskezz 1 Jun, 2013 Solo
matt.stevenson ?Jun, 2013 Lead O/S
Hidden 30 Apr, 2013 Lead O/S
PeteWilson 7 Apr, 2013 Solo O/S
Hidden 18 Mar, 2013 2nd
harold walmsley 18 Nov, 2012 Solo rpt
deacondeacon 13 Nov, 2012 Solo O/S
adam carless 15 Sep, 2012 Solo rpt
Lunar25 19 Aug, 2012 Lead O/S
with Phil Marsh
with Phil Marsh
Wayne S 20 Jul, 2012 Lead
pastep 10 Jun, 2012 TR A reachy solo, one small cam placement comes after the crux move.
with Tibor
A reachy solo, one small cam placement comes after the crux move.
with Tibor
PaulHermes 10 Jun, 2012 2nd O/S Desperate if you stay on the left. This should be HVS without doubt
Desperate if you stay on the left. This should be HVS without doubt
Jack.H.92 25 May, 2012 Solo O/S
Mike_Hayes 19 May, 2012 Solo
Bradbury 6 May, 2012 Lead O/S
with Luke Evans
with Luke Evans
Hidden 25 Mar, 2012 Solo O/S
Coops_13 25 Feb, 2012 Lead O/S Effectively a solo as first piece of gear came a couple of metres from the top!
with Vybz
Effectively a solo as first piece of gear came a couple of metres from the top!
with Vybz
Hidden 25 Feb, 2012 2nd O/S
kingholmesy ??, 2012 Solo O/S
john lynch 22 Dec, 2011 Solo O/S
with Lewis Andrew, rich armour
with Lewis Andrew, rich armour
RayG 30 Nov, 2011 Solo O/S
Gazleah 17 Sep, 2011 Solo O/S
with serge
with serge
LardClimber 27 Aug, 2011 Lead
mattgrange 27 Aug, 2011 2nd Somewhat thuggy start
Somewhat thuggy start
waynem1985 4 Jun, 2011 Solo O/S
with antdav
with antdav
antdav 4 Jun, 2011 2nd O/S
steve2006 29 May, 2011 Lead O/S
with andre
with andre
disturbed_one51 24 Apr, 2011 Solo
Hidden 20 Apr, 2011 Lead O/S
john.gaffney 20 Apr, 2011 2nd
Ollie B 3 Apr, 2011 Solo O/S
lozowen 11 Feb, 2011 Solo
Hidden 3 Jan, 2011 Sent
maxkellock 7 Nov, 2010 Lead O/S
Aaron Hauptmann 31 Oct, 2010 Lead O/S Has a very misleading grade, would expect good gear on a VS 5a, however didn't find a single piece until 6-7 meters off the deck. Essentially a solo with a bit of gear for the last few moves.
with Sophie
Has a very misleading grade, would expect good gear on a VS 5a, however didn't find a single piece until 6-7 meters off the deck. Essentially a solo with a bit of gear for the last few moves.
with Sophie
tobydunford 10 Oct, 2010 Solo O/S
Joe Costello 2 Oct, 2010 Solo O/S
with Ellie, Matt
with Ellie, Matt
mattwyles1 2 Oct, 2010 Solo
with Ellie, Joe
with Ellie, Joe
Hidden 25 Sep, 2010 Lead
Hidden 25 Sep, 2010 2nd O/S
Sgt. Vest 18 Sep, 2010 Lead O/S
with Chris Braine
with Chris Braine
simeclimb68 30 Aug, 2010 Solo O/S
Oliver Branagan 29 Aug, 2010 Solo O/S Took a few attempts to get pulled on properly, Worth more than 5a I reckon. Not sure what I'd got myself into once I couldn't reserve where I was but really enjoyed the moves.
Took a few attempts to get pulled on properly, Worth more than 5a I reckon. Not sure what I'd got myself into once I couldn't reserve where I was but really enjoyed the moves.
Richard Gilbert 22 Aug, 2010 2nd RP HARD move off the deck for shorties and then a lovely set of delicate moves.
with Haydn Gaukroger
HARD move off the deck for shorties and then a lovely set of delicate moves.
with Haydn Gaukroger
haydng 22 Aug, 2010 Lead RP
Mike_Hayes 16 Aug, 2010 Solo
Mr Sparkle 16 Aug, 2010 Solo
Graeme Hammond 12 Aug, 2010 2nd rpt
with Angus Malcolm
with Angus Malcolm
roberto18 7 Aug, 2010 Solo
JEP 11 Jul, 2010 Solo O/S
with Kirstin
with Kirstin
Kelly D 10 Jul, 2010 TR β This was nails, even on a top rope. Managed it cleanly in the end, but needed a bit of beta.
with Kiri
This was nails, even on a top rope. Managed it cleanly in the end, but needed a bit of beta.
with Kiri
popebenedictus 6 Jul, 2010 Solo rpt
with Soloed
with Soloed
edd rab 6 Jul, 2010 Solo RP
popebenedictus 1 Jul, 2010 Solo O/S
with Soloed
with Soloed
Birdo 19 Jun, 2010 Solo O/S
riddle 22 May, 2010 Lead O/S
with Mark Lim
with Mark Lim
Daniel Wicks 11 Apr, 2010 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 Apr, 2010 Lead O/S
Somerset swede basher 9 Apr, 2010 Solo O/S
migs493 4 Apr, 2010 Solo O/S
mic_b 27 Mar, 2010 Solo O/S
Ken Taylor ??, 2010 -
joese7en ??, 2010 -
garethb 10 Oct, 2009 2nd
with cheque
with cheque
Hidden 10 Oct, 2009 Lead G/U
Hidden 27 Jun, 2009 Solo O/S
GPN 23 May, 2009 Solo O/S
Jim Slater 23 Apr, 2009 Lead O/S
with Gavlar
with Gavlar
liamoloughlin 1 Mar, 2009 Solo
Richard P Coates 25 Jan, 2009 TR RP
with Mac, elCapitano
with Mac, elCapitano
koopa ??, 2009 -
Sidekick ??, 2009 Solo O/S
Hidden ??, 2009 -
keith leonard ??, 2009 Lead
Wil Treasure ??, 2009 Lead
craig d 12 Oct, 2008 Solo
jl 14 Sep, 2008 TR O/S
with A School Group
with A School Group
mshorter ?Aug, 2008 -
Oddjob 20 Jul, 2008 Solo O/S
morrisdaboss 5 Jul, 2008 Solo
with Ste 'O' C
with Ste 'O' C
SteveOc 5 Jul, 2008 Solo O/S
with Pete
with Pete
bigbobbyking 3 May, 2008 Solo O/S
Hidden 24 Mar, 2008 Lead O/S
Hidden ??, 2008 -
daveagriff ??, 2008 Lead
Jim Walton ??, 2008 -
Dunx 11 Nov, 2007 Lead O/S Started just left of this route off two pockets, left hand upto arete then big slap up with left again to higher hold. awsome moves and well worth a try just get a good spotter!!!
Started just left of this route off two pockets, left hand upto arete then big slap up with left again to higher hold. awsome moves and well worth a try just get a good spotter!!!
Matt Schwarz 11 Nov, 2007 2nd
with Dunx
with Dunx
Pilch 6 Oct, 2007 Solo gosh, not done this for a while, steady head needed to finish the route, but it is all there.
gosh, not done this for a while, steady head needed to finish the route, but it is all there.
adam carless 2 Sep, 2007 Solo O/S definitely a few worrying moves for the short. Done with a mat and spotters.
definitely a few worrying moves for the short. Done with a mat and spotters.
Hidden 3 Aug, 2007 Solo
nai 30 Jul, 2007 Solo O/S
Phil Jennings 22 Jul, 2007 Lead O/S
with Anna Jennings, Jo Jennings
with Anna Jennings, Jo Jennings
howlingbaboon 14 Jul, 2007 Solo O/S
with Stu
with Stu
jchenoweth 9 Jun, 2007 Lead O/S
with Fat Alan
with Fat Alan
gibbo21 20 May, 2007 TR
with John Bishop
with John Bishop
gibbo38 20 May, 2007 TR O/S
with John bishop
with John bishop
Graeme Hammond 7 Mar, 2007 Solo O/S
caradoc 3 Mar, 2007 Solo O/S
nblackbeard 4 Feb, 2007 2nd
with jw231
with jw231
jw231 4 Feb, 2007 Lead O/S
jo86 4 Feb, 2007 Lead hard start easier finish, not much gear
hard start easier finish, not much gear
Worcester_Ash 4 Feb, 2007 2nd
with Jo
with Jo
MNA123 ??, 2007 Lead
jamiev 8 Oct, 2006 Solo O/S
Ben1983 17 Sep, 2006 Solo O/S
AJ007 10 Jul, 2006 Solo
John Lisle ??, 2006 -
Pythonist 13 Nov, 2005 Solo O/S
DerwentDiluted 7 Sep, 2005 Lead
with Nicola Pettit
with Nicola Pettit
max_chan ?Aug, 2005 Lead O/S
robin heath 17 Jun, 2005 Lead O/S
with Carl Riley
with Carl Riley
Rampikino 12 Jun, 2005 2nd
with Mark & Mark
with Mark & Mark
LankyPaddy 1 Apr, 2005 Solo O/S
Andrew Barker ?Oct, 2004 Solo O/S
dannyboy83 ?Oct, 2004 Lead O/S
Hidden ?Sep, 2004 Solo O/S
Whealiebob 25 Jun, 2004 Lead O/S
with Jonny
with Jonny
OffshoreAndy 30 May, 2004 2nd
with Steve Mount
with Steve Mount
Hidden 30 May, 2004 Lead
mikej 27 May, 2004 TR
with Rick Naylor
with Rick Naylor
duncan 25 Oct, 2003 Solo rpt
with Nick
with Nick
Hidden 14 Oct, 2003 TR
Mark Stevenson 9 May, 2003 Solo O/S
duncan 28 Sep, 2002 Solo O/S
pete johnson 20 Apr, 2002 Solo
Ropeboy 28 Mar, 2002 Solo
RussB 27 Aug, 2000 2nd O/S
Hidden 14 Oct, 1999 Solo
Allan Young 13 Sep, 1999 TR O/S
Strong Steve 20 May, 1999 Solo O/S
roncaves 28 Mar, 1999 Lead
with Jonathan Reid
with Jonathan Reid
smudge 5 Jul, 1998 Lead O/S
with Jeff
with Jeff
rocktigger ?Jun, 1998 Solo O/S *
*
paul birch 12 Aug, 1997 -
Chris Murray 24 May, 1997 Solo
Hidden 25 Apr, 1997 Solo O/S
Martin Bennett 13 Apr, 1997 -
with MT
with MT
crater 24 Oct, 1996 TR
craig h 15 Jul, 1996 Lead O/S
with Janet Hannah
with Janet Hannah
Mick King 9 Apr, 1996 Solo O/S
andrewbooth1000 10 Oct, 1995 Solo
Alan Scowcroft 31 Oct, 1993 2nd
Iain Thow 15 Apr, 1993 Solo
Hidden 15 Aug, 1992 Solo
Backinthegame ?Apr, 1992 Solo
Laramadness 30 Sep, 1991 Solo O/S
adi bryant 13 Oct, 1990 Solo O/S
Hidden ?Nov, 1989 Solo O/S
tapley 8 May, 1989 Lead
with Alison Tapley
with Alison Tapley
GuyC 1 Apr, 1989 Lead O/S
with Clare
with Clare
Rob Davies ??, 1989 Lead
with Mick Moss
with Mick Moss
Roget ?Sep, 1988 Solo O/S
Chris the Tall ?Apr, 1988 Solo O/S
goi.ashmore 24 Oct, 1987 Solo O/S
Carl Hamer ??, 1987 2nd O/S
steve prior ?Aug, 1986 Solo
steveb2006 9 Jun, 1985 Solo
Ena ?Aug, 1982 TR Was Severe at the time!
with Martin Trouse
Was Severe at the time!
with Martin Trouse
Hidden ?Aug, 1980 Solo
mark-abz 3 Apr, 1980 Solo
CrashMat Rob ??, 1980 Lead O/S 1980's
1980's
Chris Terrey ??, 1979 Solo
Nigel Bond 17 May, 1977 Solo
RichardMc 11 Apr, 1976 Solo
Mark Kemball 9 Oct, 1975 Solo
Andy Say ??, 1971 Solo
mikej 18 Jul, 1965 Solo The original route via the MG Crack start.
with Barry Regan, Ted Markham
The original route via the MG Crack start.
with Barry Regan, Ted Markham
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Style of Ascent
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