The shallow, grey, slabby groove. Originally went up to trees, but one can now use the bolted lower-off of Never What You Think. Now upgraded to E1 5a to reflect the seriousness of the route, the voting, the general consensus, and the upgrade in the latest guidebook.

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User Date Style Notes & Partners
drgrange 7 Mar TR O/S
with Gordon
with Gordon
Jim blackford 26 Feb Lead O/S I thought all the gear was shit as I climbed it but on when removing found there was Good enough gear at start and end. Perhaps e1 for the bold middle
I thought all the gear was shit as I climbed it but on when removing found there was Good enough gear at start and end. Perhaps e1 for the bold middle
Andrew Sloan 22 Nov, 2018 Lead dnf Backed off after 4m. A bit too thin on gear for my liking.
with pete
Backed off after 4m. A bit too thin on gear for my liking.
with pete
springfall2008 24 Sep, 2018 TR O/S Using the rights from the route to the left, certainly felt like it would be E1 5a due to poor gear in the middle section. Nice clean route.
Using the rights from the route to the left, certainly felt like it would be E1 5a due to poor gear in the middle section. Nice clean route.
Didymus 15 Sep, 2018 Lead β Definitely harder than HVS and 4c. Bold with poor or blind gear - be careful!
Definitely harder than HVS and 4c. Bold with poor or blind gear - be careful!
Hidden 15 Sep, 2018 Lead
bpmclimb 30 May, 2017 Lead rpt Not a safe route.
Not a safe route.
Huntlyfiddler 30 May, 2017 2nd
bpmclimb 20 Mar, 2017 2nd rpt
Clee 30 Jun, 2016 TR
with Gordon
with Gordon
Mark Davies PK 28 Mar, 2016 TR O/S A good route. top of the grade though.
with Stanners
A good route. top of the grade though.
with Stanners
Stanners 28 Mar, 2016 TR O/S would be a sketchy lead. More like E1?
would be a sketchy lead. More like E1?
Mike Roger ??, 2016 -
Fatclimber 1 Nov, 2015 Lead dog
with Deako, Dan63
with Deako, Dan63
Hidden 1 Nov, 2015 2nd
Matthew Martin Wsm 1 Apr, 2015 2nd interesting climb, technical 4c!
with caleb streat
interesting climb, technical 4c!
with caleb streat
Kemics 1 Apr, 2015 Lead O/S Lower runners were all behind worryingly loose blocks. Thin crack took lots of gear but all of it was a bit marginal. Down climbed because of brief rain shower. Nice line but loose.
Lower runners were all behind worryingly loose blocks. Thin crack took lots of gear but all of it was a bit marginal. Down climbed because of brief rain shower. Nice line but loose.
evhall 6 Dec, 2014 Lead β
with tp45597, goat
with tp45597, goat
Hidden 6 Dec, 2014 Lead β
stevethomas 29 Nov, 2014 Lead
with Connor
with Connor
bpmclimb 29 Mar, 2014 Lead O/S Thanks to cheesemonkey for the lower-off!
Thanks to cheesemonkey for the lower-off!
Cheese Monkey 1 Mar, 2014 Lead O/S Added some rope + crab to tree for lowering/abbing off and to save too much holly bashing in summer!
with Vienna
Added some rope + crab to tree for lowering/abbing off and to save too much holly bashing in summer!
with Vienna
pftom 8 Dec, 2013 Lead O/S
rosiehawker 8 Dec, 2013 TR rpt
with Tom Grady
with Tom Grady
rosiehawker 8 Dec, 2013 TR rpt
with Tom Grady
with Tom Grady
RileyJ ??, 2013 2nd
evhall 18 Nov, 2012 Lead O/S loads of gear available! couple of interesting moves - worthwhile
with goat
loads of gear available! couple of interesting moves - worthwhile
with goat
mallardhealhook 18 Nov, 2012 2nd rpt
mallardhealhook 22 Jul, 2012 Lead O/S
chrisallan 1 Jul, 2012 Lead O/S
theotherpetehill 1 Jul, 2012 2nd Not great
Not great
stvredmond 27 Feb, 2010 Lead O/S Lack of protection lower down but managed to get a load of peenuts in the cracks higher up. Very fun climb though, shame about the loss rocks when getting to the ab tree
with Bobling
Lack of protection lower down but managed to get a load of peenuts in the cracks higher up. Very fun climb though, shame about the loss rocks when getting to the ab tree
with Bobling
Bobling 27 Feb, 2010 2nd
with sredmond
with sredmond
Hidden 30 Jan, 2010 Lead O/S
Hidden 18 Oct, 2009 2nd O/S
Fatclimber 5 May, 2009 Lead dog Absolute nightmare. Could not get any protection in.
Absolute nightmare. Could not get any protection in.
Hidden ?Mar, 2009 -
Trefo ??, 2009 Solo O/S forget the protection and solo it.
forget the protection and solo it.
Hidden 17 Feb, 2008 Lead
thomasadixon 11 Sep, 2007 2nd O/S
with gbd4060
with gbd4060
gdb4060 ?Sep, 2007 Lead
with Tom
with Tom
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Voting
High E2
Mid E2
Low E2
High E1
Mid E1
Low E1
High HVS
Mid HVS
Low HVS
Votes cast 8
High 5b
Mid 5b
Low 5b
High 5a
Mid 5a
Low 5a
High 4c
Mid 4c
Low 4c
Votes cast 6
Votes cast 6
Style of Ascent
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