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Gritstone: Loving it to Death?

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Stanage Showing Signs Of Wear:

Damage to Right Unconquerable at Stanage, Peak District  © Graham Hoey
Damage to Right Unconquerable at Stanage, Peak District
© Graham Hoey
Gritstone guardian Graham Hoey dropped us a line at UKClimbing.com to bring some recent goings on at Stanage to our attention.

"As you can see the brushing was pretty thorough..." remarked Graham looking at the famous line of Careless Torque.

Graham also sent pictures of the recently damaged flake of Right Unconquerable, the classic HVS first climbed by Joe Brown.

This perfect flake of gritstone had seen earlier damage (circa 10 years ago) when a car jack was reportedly used to try and remove a stuck cam. A new section of flake has been damaged, probably by a falling climber using a cam for protection. Obviously using cams is standard practice on gritstone and the climber involved is not to blame, but it is a stark reminder of the fragility of our classic routes.

The new damage has sparked a forum thread here on UKClimbing.

"I guess Right Unconquerable is holding up quite well really, given that its one of the most sought after ticks in the country. It's not the most solid rock on the crag - the top half has a tendency towards sandiness, so I'm not entirely surprised." commented local friction addict Adam Long, after looking at Graham's photographs.

However he was less understanding about some over-brushing and chalking on the classic highball problem Careless Torque, one of the most aesthetic lines on gritstone:

"To quote Bernard Manning: It's a fu*king disgrace." he said.

"I can't really understand how people can be so blinkered as to not realise this is unacceptable. I can only assume from the amount of chalk that the route was being tried whilst damp, and from a top-rope." commented Adam.

Get your eyes tested

He went on to describe different ways in which it is possible to minimise damage and visual impact on these classic and beautiful rock formations:

Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey
"These hard grit routes are fragile. Pebbles are much less secure when the rock is damp, and the small flakes and crimps on the right-hand side are not very solid and very susceptible to damage when damp. People should not be trying this at all when damp.

This route has now received several ascents ground-up. This should now be the style others attempt it in. Not only is it far more satisfying for the individual, it also protects fragile routes by requiring a certain level of ability up front. The crux of Careless is the start; if you haven't done it you shouldn't be going anywhere near the top.

Tick marks are not damaging to the rock, but to most climbers, and walkers, I think they are undesirable and should be kept to a minimum and removed afterwards. These are way beyond that, most of them are entirely unnecessary to the point of being offensive. This is a piece of natural scenery - treat it with some respect. And get your eyes tested.

I'd encourage anyone who sees other climbers behaving like this to remonstrate with them. 'Foreigners' are often blamed for excessive tick-marks - if that's the case educate them. If the climbing community can't police itself there are other user groups who will be only too keen to do it for us."

There has been a discussion on over-chalking on Careless Torque a couple of years ago on UKBouldering.com.

Photo Gallery - Recent Damage to Stanage:

Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey
Close up of damage to Right Unconquerable at Stanage, Peak District  © Graham Hoey
Close up of damage to Right Unconquerable at Stanage, Peak District
© Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage  © Graham Hoey
Brushing and tick marks on Careless Torque, Stanage
© Graham Hoey

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26 Oct, 2009
Looks like the flake above the new damage has snapped off at some stage also. If you look about especially on western grit you can see quite a lot of signs of broken thinnish flakes espeicially at the roaches. I've heard that when grit was first climbed a lot of the foot holds were on top of thinnish flakes but they wore down with time to flatish foot holds from the use of nailed boots. Ofcourse this could be rumour,
26 Oct, 2009
My mate and I went to look at New Statesman a couple of days ago; he's very keen to do it and no doubt will this winter but we had to walk away. It was a bloody disgrace, with foot long tick marks (more like arrows actually) everywhere, some of which were only a few feet off the ground and looked like they'd been painted on! We didn't want anybody thinking it was us so had to leave it. Whoever's working this at the moment should be ashamed.
26 Oct, 2009
The annoyance about tickmarks on Careless Torque strikes a chord. I was at Kyloe-in-the-woods yesterday and several of the problems I was trying were covered in thick ugly strokes of chalk. It looks an absolute mess. If you really need a marker to find a blind pocket or whatever (isn't that part of the challenge of the problem...?) what's wrong with a small unobtrusive dab that's easily brushed off afterwards?
26 Oct, 2009
Yes i totally agree with Adam and Bernard, it's a F*cking disgrace.
26 Oct, 2009
Ticking like this is becoming all too common around the Peak... It needs to stop.
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