It should be noted that some of Stefan Fürst's routes have yet to see 2nd ascents even though many years have passed since the FA, and that it seems the grades given are sometimes somewhat... stiff.
A few examples:
- Watzmann ruft, Geisterschmiedwand: originally 8b, is now considered 8c (repeats by Ondra, Hemetzberger and Bendler).
- X-large, Massone: given 8c, unrepeated, as far as I know, and possibly harder
- Qui, Geisterschmiedwand, given 8c+ (1996), unrepeated as far as I know, and possibly harder.
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