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Messiah, Pitch 2
© petesdavies, Feb 2008
Route: Messiah (VII 7)
Date taken: 6th February 2008
VOTING: from 5 votes
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Is it normally this icy?
Jamie B - 10/Feb/08
Not sure, as it was our first and only visit but in good conditions, I expect this top pitch often forms this well if not better. It's a drainage line for a fair amount of snow from above. Brilliant route, two very contrasting pitches.
petesdavies - 10/Feb/08
Great "send" Pete - it is meant to be an amazingly good route. Nice one. I was under the impression that it is quite an icy route and that it needs the ice to not be even more desperate than its already hard grade. Other routes on the crag need ice as well, as we found out after failing on the Sting many moons ago!
TobyA - 11/Feb/08
Thanks Toby. Yes, top pitch is essentially an ice line. Bottom pitch more mixed, turf etc. As a useful guide to good conditions, you should be able to see a continuous line of ice down the top groove as far as the big snowy ledge when viewed from Bridge of Orchy. The lower corner should look white (holding snow/hoar/ice on it's left wall) to feel justifiably wintry but not sure if you can see this from the car. Either way, it a very short walk! In the jonnie3430's photo of the crag, I don't think Messiah is in. Is there a new route since the guide called The Screaming or have I dreamt this? If so, where does it go?
petesdavies - 11/Feb/08
Isn't the Screaming the dead hard route over in the main Corrie on Beinn an Dothaid? I think it was from the mid 90s by Richardson and Everett. The new hard route on Sogach that I know of is the Mcleod line "Defenders of the Faith" from a couple of years back. At least at the time it was the hardest onsight in Scotland. IX,9 or something I think.
TobyA - 12/Feb/08
Conditions look pretty good from your picture. This is the top pitch (3 in guide, 2 being traverse over to it). When I done it (96 I think), there was less, notice you placed a screw, I had a small friend, possibly another piece in the right wall, my only screw, tied off, beneath a buldge at the top of the pitch. Looks like a well timed ascent (when did you actually do it?)
Stuart the postie - 25/Jun/08
Late Jan or early Feb this year. Can't remember exact date but it was around the same time that there were reports of stuff at Udliah (sp?) being in. We ran the first two pitches together and didn't encounter any rope drag.
petesdavies - 08/Jul/08
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