In reply to 65:
> You could sell your Thule rack and buy an Atera towball rack which can be fitted with a 4th bike add-on. They're expensive but worth it for not worrying about looking in the mirror and seeing your bikes clattering down the Route des Anglaises at 130kph.
We got a four bike tow bar mounted rack from Halfords. A moderately epic job to get it on and then load it up, but seemed solid once you had.
I don't actually have a tow bar on my current car, so haven't used it in some years. Mike123 if "the kitchen or cloud cookoo land" is anywhere near Sheffield, you are welcome to borrow it. You would have to get a new reg plate printed for it though as currently it is that of my old car!
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