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Everest - no hope of rescue?

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TC 29 May 2006
No hope unless some decent human beings happen to be around that is:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3683930a11,00.html those concerned blowing an almost certain summit & second attempt at that.

Given up for dead by expedition leader Alexander Abramov & abandoned by 3 sherpas - one operator to avoid?
butch 29 May 2006
In reply to TC: here is to hoping this is a new era of hi altutude mountaineering where "you cant rescue anyone from high up on everest (in particular)" is no longer a valid sweeping statement.
 kevin stephens 29 May 2006
In reply to TC:

More chance of finding a "real" climber on the catwalk at Malham than on Everest these days
 Al Evans 30 May 2006
In reply to butch:
> (In reply to TC) here is to hoping this is a new era of hi altutude mountaineering where "you cant rescue anyone from high up on everest (in particular)" is no longer a valid sweeping statement.

It never was, catch the Ed Hillary thread!
 Al Evans 30 May 2006
In reply to TC: I think there should be a rule that in the event of a person being in trouble all expeditions, including the commercial ones should abandon their attempts until the situation is resolved, one way or another.
Even if not in law, the commercial companies could get together and write it into their constitutions and point it out to any prospective clients in advance!
Removed User 30 May 2006
In reply to Al Evans:
If that was written into Nepali law and as a condition of permit, it may force the operators to look at who they are taking up, though in fairness it's not just punters that can get in the shit.

I suggest it's called the "The Common Decency Clause"
 A Crook 30 May 2006
In reply to TC:

Why don't they just begin to stop issuing permits to these companies, its not the first time this will happen or the last.

If you can't get up or be prepared to make that sacrifice don't go up.

Its a high mountain not a bimble in the alps.
 KeithW 30 May 2006
In reply to kevin stephens:

> More chance of finding a "real" climber on the catwalk at Malham than on Everest these days

A huge generalisation. There are plenty of experienced mountaineers doing it; they don't make the headlines because they get up and down without too much fuss.
wdxb 30 May 2006
In reply to Al Evans:
> until the situation is resolved, one way or another.

And then we will start seeing High Altitude Euthanasia
 drunken monkey 30 May 2006
In reply to Al Evans: Why dont people sign an agreement before they attempt the mountain that they accept the risk. And the risk to others to try and rescue them.
Ian Straton 30 May 2006
In reply to drunken monkey: I am sure they do which is precisly why so many people have been "left for dead" ie abandoned when in trouble but not actually dead yet. Which is very sad.
 drunken monkey 30 May 2006
In reply to Ian Straton: I'm not sure that they do. I dont agree with abandoning people, especially if they can be helped/comforted, but on the flip side if everyone stopped on the mountain to help people in trouble high up, would there nopt be a lot more dead people up there??
 Jim Fraser 30 May 2006
In reply to Removed User:
A sound plan.

The main problem of course is that there are currently requirements for quite a selection of common decency clauses in the laws of both Nepal and Tibet. These may overshadow the needs of foreign rich b4st4rds.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
 chiz 30 May 2006
In reply to TC:
A rare ray of humanity?

Don't know if it has been mooted before, but would it be possible to establish a fund set up to finance return summit attempts by any climbers who participated in rescue attempts to help stricken climbers to safety. This would be funded by a mandatory donation from each person with a permit to go above Base Camp. Unfortunately money is an issue and perhaps the guarantee of support for a return visit may help motivate the undecided?
Chiz
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