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hello
I'm busy having shirtmaking thoughts at the moment... do any of you women out there climb in a shirt rather than a T-shirt or vest, and if so, a) do you climb in a man's shirt, and b) if you don't climb in a man's shirt, which I guess is roomier than women's shirts, what features would you look for in a shirt for climbing in?
I'm thinking
- roomy in the shoulder/arm seam to allow for plenty of movement
- ability to roll sleeves up to where they won't get in the way (lots of shirts have quite tight sleeves, don't they?
- long enough to not ride up above a harness
- collar to protect against sun
anything else?
I'm busy having shirtmaking thoughts at the moment... do any of you women out there climb in a shirt rather than a T-shirt or vest, and if so, a) do you climb in a man's shirt, and b) if you don't climb in a man's shirt, which I guess is roomier than women's shirts, what features would you look for in a shirt for climbing in?
I'm thinking
- roomy in the shoulder/arm seam to allow for plenty of movement
- ability to roll sleeves up to where they won't get in the way (lots of shirts have quite tight sleeves, don't they?
- long enough to not ride up above a harness
- collar to protect against sun
anything else?
In reply to CJD: Pretty flowery pattern? Little funny bits of ribbon?
In reply to CJD:
Needs metal d-rings for clipping stuff to.
At least 4 on each side, and 2 on each arm.
Needs metal d-rings for clipping stuff to.
At least 4 on each side, and 2 on each arm.
In reply to CJD:
Not too roomy though around the middle if you will?..a little closer fitting so as you don't have a bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section..does that make sense?
Not too roomy though around the middle if you will?..a little closer fitting so as you don't have a bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section..does that make sense?
In reply to CJD: Sexist!
In reply to anansie:
yeah, good point - it doesn't need to be hugely fitted though... the questions are so I can start adapting an existing pattern.
yeah, good point - it doesn't need to be hugely fitted though... the questions are so I can start adapting an existing pattern.
In reply to CJD:
I once climbed into a womans shirt (getting dressed in the dark in a hurry) and the arms were very tight; I couldn't get my elbows past the shoulders. Making them roomier would only increase the likelihood of me making this mistake again.
I once climbed into a womans shirt (getting dressed in the dark in a hurry) and the arms were very tight; I couldn't get my elbows past the shoulders. Making them roomier would only increase the likelihood of me making this mistake again.
In reply to Reach>Talent:
um... the likelihood of you getting dressed in the dark and putting my shirt on is, I feel confident in saying, slim.
um... the likelihood of you getting dressed in the dark and putting my shirt on is, I feel confident in saying, slim.
In reply to CJD: And I quote" <ahem> I'd want lovingly embroidered (in pure silk, natch) alpine scenes decorating it"
In reply to CJD:
True but why set your sights on just producing shirts for yourself? Honestly there are numerous women who may be stupid enough to allow me into their homes who are also in the market for a suitably cut shirt.
True but why set your sights on just producing shirts for yourself? Honestly there are numerous women who may be stupid enough to allow me into their homes who are also in the market for a suitably cut shirt.
In reply to CJD:
My mam always double stitched the areas that would take the most strain too? Along shoulders and underarm seams being the main ones? Made our stuff indestructable ! ( no matter how much we wanted to destroy it hee hee ;-P)
My mam always double stitched the areas that would take the most strain too? Along shoulders and underarm seams being the main ones? Made our stuff indestructable ! ( no matter how much we wanted to destroy it hee hee ;-P)
In reply to anansie:
yeah, you're supposed to double stitch underarms on shirts anyway, but that's a good point well made!
yeah, you're supposed to double stitch underarms on shirts anyway, but that's a good point well made!
In reply to CJD:
after the gents so kindly created a whole new thread for me, I thought I'd bump this one for daytimer thoughts before I start cutting...
after the gents so kindly created a whole new thread for me, I thought I'd bump this one for daytimer thoughts before I start cutting...
In reply to CJD:
Hello I like shirts to climb in, the material must be soft and feel like a ....well er... rag so that you could potentially use it to wipe sweat off with and it must be the sort of material that looks better when its all crupmled. I have one thats made of that odd sort of pleatedish stuff if you know what I mean. - roomy enough for jumpers to be underneath it. and of a cool sort of material so that if you are climbing in the south of frnace and you need to cover up from the sun, you are not too hot, and somehow magically smart enough to look fabulous when you go the pub afterwards. flowers is nice. No material that shows dark sweat stains. can also be used as a cushion, pillow, ground sheet or picnic table if the fabirc is right.
Hello I like shirts to climb in, the material must be soft and feel like a ....well er... rag so that you could potentially use it to wipe sweat off with and it must be the sort of material that looks better when its all crupmled. I have one thats made of that odd sort of pleatedish stuff if you know what I mean. - roomy enough for jumpers to be underneath it. and of a cool sort of material so that if you are climbing in the south of frnace and you need to cover up from the sun, you are not too hot, and somehow magically smart enough to look fabulous when you go the pub afterwards. flowers is nice. No material that shows dark sweat stains. can also be used as a cushion, pillow, ground sheet or picnic table if the fabirc is right.
In reply to vixen:
so nothing too demanding then
the fabric I've got for it is seersucker, so that's one requirement checked!
so nothing too demanding then
the fabric I've got for it is seersucker, so that's one requirement checked!
In reply to CJD:
How about some kind of Hair-shirt? I like to wear one to punish me for driving to the crag in my 4x4 and toproping 3 star classics all day.
How about some kind of Hair-shirt? I like to wear one to punish me for driving to the crag in my 4x4 and toproping 3 star classics all day.
In reply to CJD:
sounds ideal,
I am a bit demanding when it comes to shirts yes, but I bet you are too!
sounds ideal,
I am a bit demanding when it comes to shirts yes, but I bet you are too!
In reply to vixen:
ha ha! well I tend to wear T-shirts or, in the summer, vests, but my bf has pointed out that with fair skin I've got a bit of sun damage on my back so I thought that a shirt would be the way forward... on with the experiment!
ha ha! well I tend to wear T-shirts or, in the summer, vests, but my bf has pointed out that with fair skin I've got a bit of sun damage on my back so I thought that a shirt would be the way forward... on with the experiment!
In reply to CJD:
It's what I deserve for going unhelmeted into wild places.
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> ooo, itchy...
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> ooo, itchy...
It's what I deserve for going unhelmeted into wild places.
In reply to CJD:
Having never found a shirt that actually fits me (big boobs, short body, waist is generally around my boods, and I always need shoulder pads - perfect for that 80's power dressing look) it's doubtful I'd actually wear a shirt for climbing. Maybe a T-Shirt with a collar though.
Some good (cheap!) tech fabrics here though..
http://www.wazoodle.com/cgi-bin/catstore.cgi?user_action=category&categ...
Having never found a shirt that actually fits me (big boobs, short body, waist is generally around my boods, and I always need shoulder pads - perfect for that 80's power dressing look) it's doubtful I'd actually wear a shirt for climbing. Maybe a T-Shirt with a collar though.
Some good (cheap!) tech fabrics here though..
http://www.wazoodle.com/cgi-bin/catstore.cgi?user_action=category&categ...
In reply to CJD:
When I started climbing, we were specifically TOLD to wear long sleeved, hard wearing shirts with a collar (so that you didn't get rope burns from the classic abseils and body belays!!!)
I would say that the key thing is the fabric. I would go for something with stretch in it - even though that would be harder to sew (have you got one of those special machines that lets you sew stretchy fabrics?
I quite often wear an old shirt when climbing in hot countries. It's so much easier and cheaper than suncream! And less offensive in some countries when your arms are covered. And cooler than a vest - I don't really wear vests, I must say, because of burnt shoulders..... That, and I would probably have someone's eye out with my bazookas!!! heh heh!
When I started climbing, we were specifically TOLD to wear long sleeved, hard wearing shirts with a collar (so that you didn't get rope burns from the classic abseils and body belays!!!)
I would say that the key thing is the fabric. I would go for something with stretch in it - even though that would be harder to sew (have you got one of those special machines that lets you sew stretchy fabrics?
I quite often wear an old shirt when climbing in hot countries. It's so much easier and cheaper than suncream! And less offensive in some countries when your arms are covered. And cooler than a vest - I don't really wear vests, I must say, because of burnt shoulders..... That, and I would probably have someone's eye out with my bazookas!!! heh heh!
In reply to CJD:
Most shirt patterns won't have the arm raise required for climbing, so the hem will ride up, of the cuff will pull down.
You'll need to adjust the scye (mostly on the sleeve, rather than the body) to add more ease in the underarm, and probably change the position of the cap (i.e. move it in from the shoulder a little).
This should also help reduce the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section', which is most likely caused by hem lift due to a tight scye.
> the questions are so I can start adapting an existing pattern
Most shirt patterns won't have the arm raise required for climbing, so the hem will ride up, of the cuff will pull down.
You'll need to adjust the scye (mostly on the sleeve, rather than the body) to add more ease in the underarm, and probably change the position of the cap (i.e. move it in from the shoulder a little).
This should also help reduce the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section', which is most likely caused by hem lift due to a tight scye.
In reply to captain paranoia:
aye, that's why i'm asking for thoughts so I can sort it out.
that's what I was thinking of doing.
I don't understand this bit - if you mean 'cut it longer' then I was intending to do so anyway.
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> Most shirt patterns won't have the arm raise required for climbing, so the hem will ride up, of the cuff will pull down.
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> Most shirt patterns won't have the arm raise required for climbing, so the hem will ride up, of the cuff will pull down.
aye, that's why i'm asking for thoughts so I can sort it out.
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> You'll need to adjust the scye (mostly on the sleeve, rather than the body) to add more ease in the underarm, and probably change the position of the cap (i.e. move it in from the shoulder a little).
> You'll need to adjust the scye (mostly on the sleeve, rather than the body) to add more ease in the underarm, and probably change the position of the cap (i.e. move it in from the shoulder a little).
that's what I was thinking of doing.
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> This should also help reduce the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section', which is most likely caused by hem lift due to a tight scye.
> This should also help reduce the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section', which is most likely caused by hem lift due to a tight scye.
I don't understand this bit - if you mean 'cut it longer' then I was intending to do so anyway.
In reply to tlm:
lycra definitely makes sense. This particular shirt won't definitely be just for climbing so I'll go with the seersucker for now and see how it goes...
lycra definitely makes sense. This particular shirt won't definitely be just for climbing so I'll go with the seersucker for now and see how it goes...
In reply to CJD: THe last thing you want is for the shirt to ride up as soon as your arms are raised. How about getting a jacket you have that doesn't do this and make a patern from it. I would make a rough mock up in some very cheap fabric to make sure you have gotten the pattern right, if need be do some alterations, then when your happy make up the shirt in the fabric you want and finish off to the level required.
Depending on when you want to wear the shirt, think of the SPF factor that the fabric would give, and also it's wicking ability.
Depending on when you want to wear the shirt, think of the SPF factor that the fabric would give, and also it's wicking ability.
In reply to CJD:
No; what I meant was that, without modifying the scye, you'll get a lot of hem lift, which will pull the shirt up through a harness, and, as there's nothing to pull it back again, it'll accumulate in the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section'...
But you've obviously already thought of everything I suggested, so I'll shut up and let you get on with it.
> I don't understand this bit - if you mean 'cut it longer' then I was intending to do so anyway
No; what I meant was that, without modifying the scye, you'll get a lot of hem lift, which will pull the shirt up through a harness, and, as there's nothing to pull it back again, it'll accumulate in the 'bumphly bit sticking oot yer mid section'...
But you've obviously already thought of everything I suggested, so I'll shut up and let you get on with it.
In reply to captain paranoia:
ah yes, that makes sense!
<waves fabric scissors with maniacal glint in eye )
ah yes, that makes sense!
<waves fabric scissors with maniacal glint in eye )
In reply to CJD:
Hello. Can I say that I'd like more room in the sort of top-of-the-back area? I'm quite muscly across there and find that when I climb in an ordinary womens shirt, it sort of crinkles upwards and is very uncomfy. I've tried shirts with wider side panels but they just make me look um....very well endowed (I'm not). I'm not sure how one would go about resolving this from a dressmaking point of view though.
Hello. Can I say that I'd like more room in the sort of top-of-the-back area? I'm quite muscly across there and find that when I climb in an ordinary womens shirt, it sort of crinkles upwards and is very uncomfy. I've tried shirts with wider side panels but they just make me look um....very well endowed (I'm not). I'm not sure how one would go about resolving this from a dressmaking point of view though.
In reply to CJD:
you need a breast pocket - for coloured pens, used for ticking of routes in your guidebook
you need a breast pocket - for coloured pens, used for ticking of routes in your guidebook
In reply to CJD:
I'd like a diddy little pocket in me collar fer me lippy ...could you build that in as a design feature, please, Ms CJD? Pleeeze? Much appreciated
I'd like a diddy little pocket in me collar fer me lippy ...could you build that in as a design feature, please, Ms CJD? Pleeeze? Much appreciated
In reply to A Jo by any Other Name:
oo, so a broader yoke area?
just to be clear to all, this shirt is for me, and I'm suspecting it'll be a longer term project than the shirt I'm currently making, which will do for work and stuff... but I'll let you know how the prototype works out!
oo, so a broader yoke area?
just to be clear to all, this shirt is for me, and I'm suspecting it'll be a longer term project than the shirt I'm currently making, which will do for work and stuff... but I'll let you know how the prototype works out!
In reply to CJD:
Cool! I was thinking you could name it your UKC shirt aswell hee hee ..i know..oops!..there goes my imagination again ha ha!! :-P
Cool! I was thinking you could name it your UKC shirt aswell hee hee ..i know..oops!..there goes my imagination again ha ha!! :-P
In reply to CJD:
long enough not to ride up under your harness.
hardwearing but wikcing material.
'Tecnique beat BF&I' printed across teh back...
long enough not to ride up under your harness.
hardwearing but wikcing material.
'Tecnique beat BF&I' printed across teh back...
In reply to CJD:
a material that is not not going to bobble both looking studid and wearing out in next to no time.
needs to be shaped, I agree plenty of room across shoulders. I currently would not climb in a shirt as all I have found are too small across the back or if big enough there are baggy in the midsection and flap around too much as hang off larger shapely top half. also needs not to be too tight at hips.
a material that is not not going to bobble both looking studid and wearing out in next to no time.
needs to be shaped, I agree plenty of room across shoulders. I currently would not climb in a shirt as all I have found are too small across the back or if big enough there are baggy in the midsection and flap around too much as hang off larger shapely top half. also needs not to be too tight at hips.
In reply to CJD:
Tha arms/armpits need to be smaller
You can't wear a man's shirt under a women's cut parka with out uncomfortable pull up in the armpit, and men's vests let the wind down half your side.
Not too baggy down sides as it gets in the way of gear loops.
Tha arms/armpits need to be smaller
You can't wear a man's shirt under a women's cut parka with out uncomfortable pull up in the armpit, and men's vests let the wind down half your side.
Not too baggy down sides as it gets in the way of gear loops.
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