In reply to Elfyn - A+C Officer For Wales: Would it be worth placing a few semi-permanent signs displaying such information for those who don't read these forums, don't know who the BMC are and don't bother to read the section of the guidebook detailing descents? It only takes one or two misinformed people to screw it up for everyone else and if the information is in front of you at the point of error, there is no excuse.