/ Getting dropped on the flat
Does the bike make a huge difference on the flat? I can see that a heavy bike would be a disadvantage on the hills but not sure if it matters so much in other circumstances...
Maybe I've answered my own question.... time for a new bike.
On the flat your bike weight will make little to no difference to the speed you roll at for any particular power output.
It will make a difference to your ability to accelerate.
Did the pace pick up steadily, you initially kept pace but then fell out the back or was there a constant stream of 'attacks' or accelerations, one of which finally snapped the elastic?
Also, was it truly flat or rolling?
Unless you are really (really) skinny then ignore the bike weight and just get stronger / lighter, but don't forget to train for explosive accelerations - which requires something slightly different to the constant power of a hill climb.
ps. If you have the power to weight ratio, plus the acceleration ability, and you've got the stamina from plenty of base miles and you still get dropped from the group as the pace picks up then I would serious reevaluate tactics. Are you really being accurate in how much effort you are putting in at the front early on? Are you fueling right?
Winners usually draft quite a bit ;o)
Where in the group were you? I get dropped on sudden speed increases if I am near the back, better to be mid group which gives to chance to react and keep more people to shelter behind, once off the back its really hard to re-attach
Good tyres really help with flat riding as well
>"but after 62 miles I just couldn't keep up."
Sounds like a fuelling/hydration issue to me... either that or they'd upped the power output to a level you could no longer sustain aerobically.
A lighter bike always helps.
The bike won't make a difference, I can ride people off my wheel on my Thorn touring bike, the only time I really feel the difference is on hills and when people kick and accelerate.
Do get a new bike though, you'll smile and you will go faster.
I love hills and can ride most people out of sight on them, on the flat the stronger guys pay me back for it. It's what you practice and what your build lends itself too, also it does sound a bit like you ran out of energy as others have said.
And remember, the most important thing is that new bike ;-)
I agree with JLS.. Sounds like a fuel problem. Abilty to change "fuel" gears quickly is almost as important as virtual gears!! Also, don't forget the body is perhaps riding an hour earlier??
But I'm guessing you REALLY want a new bike??
Just to recap this thread
The general advice is to get a new bike...
... and eat some more biscuits before, during and after riding ;o)
Just looked at your posting history and spotted last years thread about being unusually fooked for several days after hard riding efforts. Sorted now?
Get a new bike. Get a red one.
> Get a new bike. Get a red one.
I can now see where I went wrong. Whilst my old blue bike is considerably slower than the newer white and black one with red details that I own, I still manage to get dropped on the flat and the hills with some degree of regularity.
The bloke in my LBS who looks liked a Finnish-speaking Marco Pantani told me when I was picking what colour tyres to get when I needed new ones to get yellow, because everyone knows yellow is faster. Then again my old bike's frame was red. But perhaps yellow is faster at higher latitudes?
OP: I'm the opposite, on long rides I become utterly rubbish on hills toward the end, but still can keep up a decent pace on the flat!
Black bikes go fastest up hills, it's just like supercars the really good ones are either red, or black.
I hadn't even considered changing the colour of my tyres, I will have to consult THE RULES about what is acceptable with my handle bar and saddle colour.
Possibly the OP needs to consult rule #5?
> Get a new bike. Get a red one.
It must be true - Cav won the world champs on his red tinged Venge, but couldn't even manage a measly San Remo without the red flecks on his Dogma ;)
Sounds like a Southport CC Sunday club run. The serious 'big ringing' happens once we're clear of the lights at Penwortham -- though anyone who gets dropped on the hill coming out of Preston has to hope that the Traffic lights will slow the hard men down enough to get back on before the action starts.
That's sounds painful - does the team doctor know?
Nope, I've just not done any big rides recently. I fully expect to be completely gubbed if I finish the Fred.
So the consensus seems to be that the bike won't make a lot of difference unless there's hills about. Damn, that's that excuse shot. Was thinking of getting one of those fancy ones with the drop handlebars but I guess drag isn't an issue in a group anyway.
> Nope, I've just not done any big rides recently. I fully expect to be completely gubbed if I finish the Fred.
> Could be, though I did eat a fair amount that morning and on the ride.
> very true.
> So the consensus seems to be that the bike won't make a lot of difference unless there's hills about. Damn, that's that excuse shot. Was thinking of getting one of those fancy ones with the drop handlebars but I guess drag isn't an issue in a group anyway.
It's an issue if you are taking pulls at the front, or if your head and shoulders are sticking up above the pack.
Go on. Get a new bike ;o)
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