/ First foray into the Peak District
Unlikly, haven't you read the stories?:- O
General rules and common sense still apply. Read the weather, take the correct clothes and gear, keep warm, attempt to keep dry.
Agree - and even with good compass skills it's somewhere between hard and impossible to do proper "pick a feature on your bearing and walk towards it in a straight line" type pinpoint navigation on bits of Kinder and Bleaklow because a) there aren't many features and b) you can't always walk in a straight line because of the bogs. So being able to relocate yourself when you reach the edge of the plateau or start to find some proper features is useful as well.
Having said that, it's a great place to practice because provided you pick a direction and walk in it you will get down to somewhere in the end, and (famous last words) you'd have to be reasonably creative to get yourself into serious trouble...
Other bits of the peak are a lot less difficult though - I don't think Mam Tor or Win Hill or the eastern edges or the limestone dales would present any particular challenges you won't have dealt with in the South Downs, apart from possibly being a bit colder and wetter and bigger.
Certain death will ensue - FACT!
Hardly a typical winter's day:
Sometimes it isn't sometimes it is. I've rescued folk off there a few times now: in all cases lost, cold, and probably in some trouble on their own. On the top plateau its really hard to navigate in poor vis at any time of year because of the bogs and deep cloughs . Even just following the watercourse can bring you out on the wrong side of the hill facing a very long treck round. When you know your way and the key landmarks its all a lot easier,
> Sometimes it isn't sometimes it is. I've rescued folk off there a few times now: in all cases lost, cold, and probably in some trouble on their own. On the top plateau its really hard to navigate in poor vis at any time of year because of the bogs and deep cloughs . Even just following the watercourse can bring you out on the wrong side of the hill facing a very long treck round.
These things are relative, obviously. But I think for someone reasonably robust with sensible gear, even getting spectacularly lost on Kinder is going to result in a long day and possibly an unexpected and expensive taxi ride, but probably nothing worse.
In any case, hopefully the OP isn't going to get spectacularly lost...
Unspectacular is often enough. I do wonder if aretherenoneleft leads E6 in his wellies as well.
Being serious for a moment, it's obviously a very serious proposition to some and more so when the weather is bad. You will find folk who are not strong enough even to walk up in good summer conditions. From that point there will be a continuum to those like yourself happy to go up with no proper weatherproof clothing in winter. I'm sure the OP will be fine but to think no-one could get caught out up there and risk exposure is a bit of a strange view (and one the local rescue teams certainly wouldn't hold with). For fitter folk you don't need broken bones, a bad sprain will do: the terrain is hardly non-conducive to slips.
>lead my schools bronze dofe expeditions.
Do you mean lead from an adult staff, supervisory role or lead as in you are partaking in the Bronze Expedition?
If you are just doing Bronze, wild camping on Kinder in snow etc seems a bit much.
As someone who has spent more hours on Kinder/Bleaklow looking for the lost than most the single thing I'd say is do not underestimate how very difficult it can be there to follow a bearing in a straight line in poor visibility. Crossing groughs if you are following a bearing can be exhausting and time consuming so develop more advanced nav skills than simply following a bearing to where you want to go. Not a problem for DofE bronze groups but potentially a problem for anyone going up there in Feb.
Compass is essential - don't rely on a GPS! I've been up there in fog when a GPS was as much use as jelly scaffolding.
Just as an add on, on one search I remember a dozen or so team members including myself, from more than one team and including search dogs, with dead GPS batteries and absolutely exhausted after 10hrs out on the hill had great difficulty locating and following the Pennine Way in darkness and whiteout conditions. The subject of the search was located deceased. Kinder and Bleaklow are not considered really 'remote' but still need treating with some respect.
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