/ *WANTED* Climbers to take part in research study
Hello fellow climbers
I am looking for climbers of all experience levels to take part in a research study that is looking at movement efficiency as a determinant of climbing performance.
In other words if your a 8a climber do you climb more smoothly than a 7a climber?
To test this I need climbers like yourself to take part in my study.
It all starts with a warm up then...
I will have you climb a specific route on a top rope three times whilst i video. A tennis ball will be attached to the back of your harness to represent your center of mass. This is what I will be tracking to determine the smoothness. Have a look at the picture
The whole process takes about 45min per person. And ideally you would come as a pair, you and climbing partner maybe... if not that is not a problem (just makes life easier for me)
The location of the testing facility is at harpur hill next to Buxton if you need a ride I have a car...
Don't hesitate to drop me an email if you are interested or even if you just want some more info.
Let me know what you guys think.
"In other words if your a 8a climber do you climb more smoothly than a 7a climber?"
I believe there's no general rule. 8a climber will climb 7a route much more smoothly than a 7a climber simply because he's not climbing anywhere near his limit. You can also find two 8a climbers with totally different climbing styles. First one can move very smoothly, having near perfect technique and body movement. The other one, for example, is much stronger and that allows him to climb 8a despite his less than perfect technique. Yet they both climb the same grade. Ideally you'd find equally strong climbers and have them climb routes near their limits (for example 30 equally strong 7a climbers and 30 equally strong 8a climbers).
But that's just my opinion ;)
The idea is to see if there is a difference, that is what i am testing. I believe that there will be a difference because like you said they wont be climbing at their maximal. What I am interested in finding out is to what extent is the efficiency of the movement of the center of mass of a climber a determinant of his climbing ability. It does not have to apply to all climbers just a majority that is how research works.
The reason for me want to look into this is that we can test climbers physiologically and predict their performance levels with sport specific testing that has been developed in the past 2-4 years. However not many research has looked in to the technical and tactical aspect of climbing a a determinant of performance. That is what I wanted to look at and this is the way i want to test it.
Thanks for your opinion, i do hope to see differences and expect to see differences. Well that is if i could find 8a climbers willing to take part.
That is a good idea ill have to try it out. Buxton doesn't have a climbing center any where close by... bit annoying. Closest is Rope Race and that is 25-30min drive :(
The testing needs to be carried out on the same wall, which is situated just outside Buxton, (Harpur hill).
If you can make it to Buxton then that would be great.
Basically anyone that lives near Buxton please contact me...
When were you planning on doing this as Harpur Hill is horrid in the cold ??
Hi there I'm testing this week and next week. The weather is letting up and its not to bad at the moment. If your interested in participating please don't hesitate to contact me and we can arrange a time at your convenience.
I am interested in helping out with this study. Let me know the time and date you want me there. I can also bring a climbing partner with me
I have emailed you the opening times so if you can do tomorrow or friday or monday? Then let me know by email
Thanks for your interest, I have emailed you about possible times, although tomorrow, friday or monday during day or evening are best (Thursday gym closes at 16:30)
Had a brilliant time falling off Nick's test piece! A fantastic wall hidden away in Harper Hill and a really enjoyable, entertaining and challenging session!
I would recommend Nick's research... well worth the trip just to try the mellow yellow route.
This week is the last week I will be doing testing if you are interested then please drop me an email.
Thanks for the people who have taken part so far.
Indeed this experimental set up will only identify the relation between the movement efficiency and climbing performance. Not just a part of it but performance as a general variable identified by participants highest on-sight technical grade. But as that is what i am looking to achieve it suite my purpose perfectly. And if the variance in performance can correlated to movement efficiency through regression analysis with a high enough value lets say a value of r^2=0.7, then the difference in movement efficiency explained 70% of the changes in ability levels. This is only an example but even if the number is 40% that is still considered high enough to make it a determinant of performance.
If you have a better idea i would love to hear it.
Good luck with your research. I encourage others to volunteer and give it a try - it is sure to be interesting.
I totally understand your point unfortunately when it comes to climbing there are so many factors that affect performance directly that using a purely positivist approach is not within my capabilities. Trying to determine the cause of improved performance in climbing would mean to understand all the psychological, neurological, physiological, and environmental changes that have happened in a quantifiable way. So the best that I can do in this instance is to determine association. I recently found this paper newly published that looks at the different aspects (psychological, physiological, technical/tactical) of maximum performance I found it really interesting. http://www.johk.pl/files/11magiera.pdf
But thanks for pointing it out I will mention it in my discussion!
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