/ Boiled feet and a helicopter ride
He had been cooking on the dining table, not in the "kitchen area". But there was no room in the kitchen area so there you have it.
Telling the tale to a number of people, there seem to be two camps: non-climbers are of the "sue his arse!" persuasion and immediately start talking about lawyers & compensation claims and the like.
My climbing buddies on the other hand generally have not adopted such an extreme view.
My take on it is that it's all part of the inherent risk. I wouldn't sue a rugby player who tackles me and breaks my leg, and in the mountains, if you go up to a bivvy there's a risk it'll be full. It's the risk we take, and in my case the result was 24 people, more or less strung out, crammed in, all trying to melt snow and cook. A recipe for disaster. Nobody wanted to be in that situation, but there it was, and the subsequent increased risk for all of us was the result.
In all likelihood I'll be covered for all costs by my insurance. If I have to pay something I'll contact the guy and ask him to pay. Other than that I don't really blame him...
So what do you think?
Sue his arse wouldn't enter my head.
I'm no expert in insurance but I do live in Switzerland and personal liability insurance is very common. If the guy who dropped the pan is Swiss, chances are he has it. He would be the one who would pay the excess, not you.
Your insurance would probably not want to pay if he is insured, which is fair.
Good for you for not wanting to milk it for all it's worth; on the other hand, you should not be out of pocket as a result.
Hope this helps.
I think it depends on the damage to your feet, you shouldn't be out of pocket eg medical fees, helicopter ride, off work etc. It's not as though you are an ambulance chaser, so I think, yes, he (or his insurers should compensate you).
It's not really a matter of "blaming" him, he cocked up big style. No-one can avoid the fact that in such crowded circumstances he should have been more careful and you suffered as a result. You are not trying to punish him, or capitiise on his negligence, just want to be put back as close to the same as you were before it happened.
Probably best to claim on your own insurance. They will pursue him if they think it's worth it, but that needn't concern you once they've paid you.
It's also very common in the UK as it tends to be included in home contents insurance.
If you have incurred actual out of pocket costs it's not unreasonable him or his insurers should perhaps pay those (down to your insurer to sort I guess) but it sounds a genuine accident so asking for compensation over and above out of pocket costs would be IMO not right.
> ...No-one can avoid the fact that in such crowded circumstances he should have been more careful and you suffered as a result....just want to be put back as close to the same as you were before it happened.
Maybe he was being as careful as he could have been in a grossly overcrowded hut? 24 people in a hut for 13, there's going to be a bit of unpredictable jostling and accidental bumping into people. If this was me, I'd let this one go.
As for being put back as close to the same as the OP was, I think that that is best achieved by healing the skin rather than healing the overdraft.
Al I'm going to add is YEEOUCH that must have hurt.
Hope you're back on your feet soon.
Looks fairly certain that Swiss helicopter, rescue and hospital are all covered by my Italian Alpine Club reciprocal agreement. So that just leaves extra hospital expenses in Italy and lost earnings to sort out
This was 2 days after the boil
Actually they look even worse now as bits of flesh keep falling off and they keep seeping blood...;-((
That is quite terrifying.....
But I still wouldn't sue. I always have helcopter and medical insurance and would regard that as the main port of call
You could try to sue the SAC for building a hut that is clearly too small!
> You could try to sue the SAC for building a hut that is clearly too small!
Too bloody right! Anybody else experience such dire overcrowding in a biwak...mid-week FFS!
Yes, so I never go to bivvy huts any more! I presume you were intending to do the Aletschhorn? I did it from Oberaletsch, but that was summer. I don't know if it's viable as a ski mountain from that side...? Just to make you feel better, here's my foot after it got crushed by an enormous piece of rock whilst doing a new route. I called the route This Little Piggy!
I was thinking that "sauteed feet" might be more precise but then checked and found "blanched feet", which is better ("cook briefly in boiling water"). However, at that altitude water boils at a bit below 100 degrees so "coddled feet" ("food heated in water kept just below the boiling point") has to be considered as well.
Certainly the gasping aspiration of "blanched" sounds the most convincing.
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