> (In reply to Thegypsy)
> Following VS. Plenty can do harder, but a decent benchmark. Or, in sport terms, 6a.
I think this is about right. I took my kick boxer mate up Fairy steps Direct at Heppy back in the early nineties. First time he'd ever touched rock and he didn't weight the rope at all. But the payback was I had to go to the gym and spar with him for 15 minutes.
In reply to Thegypsy: Best thing is to try some low grade climbs and get your technique sorted. You may be able to climb VS 4c as a first climb but it will likely be with very poor technique.
Start with some mods and diffs first, and work your way up the grades enjoying them along the way. Too many folk get hung-up on grades I reckon. You should/could climb this etc. Why miss out the lower grade stuff though? And if you are going to do the lower grade stuff why not start with it and work your way up?
It will also depend on the rock, the type of climb, etc. A VS 4C at Bowden Doors is very different to a VS 4C at Peel Crag for example. One suits my climbing style, one doesn't.
I wouldn't stick a new climber on a VS 4c that they might not be able to climb. I'd stick them on something much lower, that I knew they could enjoy and want to come back for more!
Yes, if you are really switched on and ok with heights/exposure, you 'may' manage to second VS. Others struggle with V Diffs.
I would challenge any complete novice outdoors to completely breeze up Little Cham for example. It has a unique mix of exposure, awkwardness and just adventure for an almost roadside V Diff. I've seen ok indoors climbers in tears on it. On the other hand an olympic standard sprinter followed me up an E1 with bulging eyes, muscles, determination, and rather impressively made it cleanly.
Kind of depends on the route and your head. Don't worry about grade. Just get out there and see how it feels.
Oh I'm sure you would get up any V Diff and many VS's. I just mean I've seen some people who are fit and can do fine indoors struggle to cope on exposed/awkward V Diffs. I'm sure with your experience (which I didn't appreciate) you'll be towards the VS end of the spectrum. Anyway, my point stands, be less concerned about grade and just get out and do classic great routes to start.
I suspect JCM's point is actually a little more subtle - if you are capable then set your sights high and don't get limited by thinking any particular grade is hard. When starting out, I did better when I didn't actually try to push myself but climbed what I fancied. However, it is also said that you will progress faster if you climb with people who are quite good and don't put limitations on themselves.