Looking to reduce the weight I lug around the hills this year, and I think the biggest saving I can make is with my rucsac. Up til now I've been using a Deuter Guide 35+ year round; great for carrying winter loads, but it weighs something like 1.6 kg on its own.
I'm looking for a pack that is:
- less than 1 kg
- 20-30 L
- climbing design (no big sidepockets, rope loop, daisy chain or similar for attaching gear to outside)
- plain back, not mesh/frame nonsense.
- still fairly durable, prepared to accept a little more weight than some gosammer thin mountain marathon things that'll wear out after one chimney.
So far the Black Diamond Speed series is looking the most promising, but interested to hear recommendations, cheers.
There are heaps out there - North Face Verto Series, Macpac is coming out with one, MH has one, my personal favourite is a MEC Genie DSL - 30L, top loading, 4 compression straps, bivy pad, top pocket for 350g or so. Having had the previous generation of BD Speed 30, I'm not sure it would be sub 1kg.
Pick a design you like and have a look in the shops - Most decent companies will make a 30L pack that weighs less than a kilo.
BD Speed 30 has a nice fit for me not
The lightest pack available however
Up there with the most Durable recon it's
Fine when overloaded slightly, older models
Have the annoying ice Axe holders not sure if
They will last.
Montane Medusa great bag for the money
Feature rich loads of good handy pockets
Comfy to use but not as tough or as comfy as the
Speed 30 imo New Blk/Yellow zips looks Dynamite
Ooft, thanks for the replies, more than I thought to choose from!
Currently favouring the Blue Ice Warthog 26; seems to have everything I'm looking for and not a ridiculous price. Only downside is not being able to try it on for fit, but I find that less of an issue in smaller packs.
Mountain Hardwear Scrambler 30 also looks really good. However, my mate just had a right hassle with what should have been a straightforward warranty issue with MHW, so it has put me off a bit.
Auiguille sacs, they do get praised a lot on here, and I understand the cost of small volume production, but I just think they look overpriced for what looks like a heavy duty schoolbag? Am I wrong?
Mountain Hardwear Summit rocket 30. Design is extremely good, think the pack is brilliant but it is a shame it is made out of paper! 6 months after buying it, parachute material was full of holes, both zips broke and a buckle from the compression strap also broken. They should make the same pack out of slightly more durable materials: - it would still be sub 1kg.
I had considered something like that, or the Alpkit Gourdon for example, as an option. I do have the Deuter Guide which I could just suck up the weight and use when I'm going to be carrying rope, harness etc. Then get something cheap and light which maybe doesn't have all the climbing specific features for hillwalking and gear free scrambling.
If I'm honest, about 80% of the time it will just have basic hillwalking kit in it, but a light climbing specific pack which weighs naff all when you're roped and geared up definitely appeals.
I think you are wrong on the Aiguille packs. They are tougher than any of the other packs mentioned here apart from the Blue Ice packs, which are very similar fabrics. They are simple, but surely that's what you want? I don't remember ever wishing my rucksack had 18 straps or loops to attach pointless accessories to. My Cirrus is as new after 2.5 years of hard use and weighs 810 g. It was also made in the UK for less than the cost of most of the other bags mentioned in this thread, all of which were made in factories in the far east (with the possible exception of Blue Ice's).
I'm looking at their 40L Forclaz Air just now and am seriously tempted by its value for money compared to the competition - £44.95 I think it was. Saw the 25L light and it liked the look of it but it's just too small for my requirements.
I'll admit I deliberately made that comment slightly inflammatory just to see what people would say. To a large extent I agree with you; every time I look at an Osprey pack I wonder wtf half the toggles and straps on it are for. They seem to have toned it down with the new Mutants, though.
Anyway, back on topic, I'll admit I like a modicum of aesthetic appeal as well as function with gear; call me a tart, you're probably right. The Aiguille packs just don't float my boat in that respect. I like minimalist lines, but they just look a bit car boot sale to me. Horses for courses.
Alpkit Goudron!! Best bag I have is the 25l (have put a rope mod on top, just string from shoulder straps to clip a rope to.) Other half has just got the 30 litre one, looking forward to seeing how it compares...
> every time I look at an Osprey pack I wonder wtf half the toggles and straps on it are for.
Osprey does go in for lots of widgets and straps, but oddly I tend to find all of them rather useful and they are clever designs in that their gear still is often competitively light with all the features.
Osprey packs are a bit 'techno' and hence easy to mock if you have more classic tastes (!) in pack design, but the Osprey bags I have, all have been excellent, including my 'courier' style satchel thingy which gets used daily for everything and still looks great after many years of very hard use. Great quality materials and stitching I think.
> Osprey does go in for lots of widgets and straps, but oddly I tend to find all of them rather useful and they are clever designs...
> Osprey packs are a bit 'techno' and hence easy to mock if you have more classic tastes (!) in pack design, but the Osprey bags I have, all have been excellent, …..
Exactly Toby. I used to mock Osprey packs on looks alone, they *look* strappy and widgety but having used a Variant 28 which is more like 35l it's probably the best pack I have. I have around 20 packs of different sizes, some absurdly simple and light, some not. The Variant is probably the most versatile, the best constructed and the most comfortable.
That Osprey come in three back sizes is great, because I needed a long back and most packs, particularly in the smaller volumes, are simply too short to fit properly.