/ Does this tent exist
SilNylon outer with a decent denier (i.e. not something flimsy like 15).
Pitches outer first for UK weather.
Is stable in high winds.
I've found multiple tents that meet all but one criteria, the closest i've found is the Nordisk Oppland 2 Si for £360 and 2.9kgs
Maybe i've just got to bite the bullet and get a Hilleberg tent...
Perhaps this one:
Specs and manual in english... http://www.vaude.com/en-FI/Products/Tents/2-Person/Power-Odyssee-2P-orange.html
Looks pretty good! Good find :)
Cheers, yea i've looked a lot at these. Most are inner pitch first. Though the only one that's really cheap enough for me is the T20 Trail XT which is £400 and 3kg.
Stephenson's Warmlite 2R.
I really like the look of these, and have had rave reviews. But ends up pretty expensive after import tax and shipping.
Exchange rate is pretty good though: Scarp 2 with solid interior and cross poles with shipping is $456 = £270.
Don't know what the import tax would be however.
About £370, import tax is a rip!
Outdoor gear lab's review shows poor build quality, big flaw being that it's only got one stake point. So on soft ground it could collapse in high winds.
Not sure i like the single skin premise. Perhaps for drier climates, but certainly not lakes/Scotland.
Duomid or solomid are brilliant. They do a mesh inner although Oookworks can do you an inner but there is a waiting list.
Anyone got any experience with Force Ten tents? The Ion 2 looks pretty good. Just put off by the fact it's Vango. Gear snob coming out in me.
Perhaps tents where inner and outer go up together are optimal but I really think the idea that you 'need' outer pitching first for the UK is bullsh*t. I can pitch my inner first Terra Nova, on my own, in the dark and rain in a few minutes. The inner is lightly water-repellent anyway but you just chuck the fly over whilst still putting in the poles if you are really worried.
It's never even been a big issue with my one man which is only a mesh inner either.
But what about Macpac? Does their smaller two man fit your criteria? I think they go up inner and outer together.
My mate was having a few zip issues with his in Norway this summer, but it is about 25 years old and has been used in wild mountains around the world so he was quite forgiving! :-) Their top of the range ones seems to very well liked by experienced users so probably well worth considering.
How about this one?
My previous tent was a mainly mesh inner, so obviously whenever i put it up in the rain, the insides were all pretty wet.
I think i might be choosing between the Ion 2 or the Vaude Odyssee power 2. Both seem more or less the same.
The macpac tents seem to be just PU coated with a low H/H.
Do you really need outer pitch first?
I've pitched my terra nova quasar in downpour before and it gets a tad but it soon dries out because the wall material is thin and well ventilated.
There's maybe not as much of an advantage in outer pitch first.
Personal preference I suppose.
Yeah, I'd second this. It's nowhere near as big a thing as I expected it to be.
I'd third this, (fourth if we count Toby), but with reference to the Alpkit Kangri.
I've always had inner pitch first tents and had no problems.
My mate purple mick , had a ? Saunders spacepacker which pitched outer first. The distinct advantage being that you could leave the inner at home in good weather, and have a large tarp:)
I've always been under the impression that "inner pitched first" tents are more stable in high winds etc, or have I been ill informed?
I have the Terra Nova Superlight Voyager and that's an inner pitch first, but have had no issues with the inner wetting out when pitching in rain or snow, it'll dry quite quickly once inside and cooking.
I have a hilleberg nallo gt2
We have been thinking about selling and i have been checking ebay lately to get an idea of how much they are going for.
They seem to be averaging between 350 and 400 depending on condition.
A used one around 5 years old in mint condition went for 380 a few days ago.
From your post this tent would certainly fit your needs and I can vouch for the tent being awesome.
We won't be in a position to buy a new tent until nearer Xmas so won't sell ours just yet
However if you keep an eye on ebay you may just pick one up
I had a forerunner to that Vaude one mentioned at the top of the thread. It always did really well for me. Great design.
MacPacs go up outer first (with inner normally already attached) for about that price - takes about 3-4 mins to put up ready to put stuff inside. Good quality tent and never had a problem with them in high winds and very waterproof. I've had a small minaret and currently have the larger Olympus.
My only complaint would be about having to seal the seams myself, but I get the impression that some other makes have that feature too.
I'd have to suggest the Blacks Octane 3 - I've had one since 2006, and can't fault it. comes in at just under 3kg, space for 3 if required, otherwise very comfortable for 2, and the porch is almost the same size as the sleeping area. Siliconised nylon flysheet, and the outer pitches first ( you can all get inside the flysheet and then put the inner up!). And the best bit? It's £180 just now...
I spent a good 40+ nights under canvas in the wet Summer of 2012. Every inner first tent I had the misfortune of using with groups was an utter nightmare. There is just no easy or quick way of getting them dried out during/after an expedition. By comparison, free standing inner first tents (especially if you use a footprint) are a complete doddle to get dried in around 20 minutes of bright sunshine or moderate wind.
I wouldn't even consider most outer first designs for heavy UK use.
Had a look at the 2 man which looks good though not having silicone sheet.
Think im just going to get a lightwave g20 trek. Unless anyone knows where to get a trek xt or ultra for cheap/ second hand?
Look not as sturdy as the lightwave and about £100 more expensive. Though a bit lighter. I think I'd prefer hardiness over a slight lightness advantage.
just buy a Hilleberg Nallo 2 and get a little deeper in to your pockets
mountain laurel designs super tarp fit's the criteria.
A tarp?! Really... Stable in high winds? I think not.
Tell mark Twight that they are unstable in high winds, i think he may disagree with you.
I have one of these. Pretty stable and quick to pitch. Keep inner attached and just lay out tent and clip onto poles.
I don't think they are available new anymore.
I have the g2 Ultra and its a sexy tent. Its light enough for solo camping and its comfortable for 2 people. Good in wind if pitched tail into the wind. The porch can be a bit fiddly, and difficult to find a good place for a stove if the wind is wrong.
But light and seems strong.
I'm looking at a tarptent though. They're cool!
be aware that if you are after a good (stable) tarp you will have to buy from a small company, the best tarp on the market is the one i mentioned earlier, the mountain laurel designs super tarp what's good about this tarp is that it's sil nylon so it wont cost an arm and a leg like cuben fiber tarps do, it also has top notch build quality and near perfect tie out points, somthing you wont find on most tarps.
Seb, its very impressive that you've read soneones book or blog somewhere. But you do realise that they use it in the alps or high ranges where weather is more predictable and more importantly, much dryer.
Tarps are a nice light way to get by in the mountains. Not comfortable when the wind is whistling through them. Have you actually tried one?
I've already got a tarp and im painfully aware of its uses through, you know actually having one and using it in UK conditions.
I know that you're just trying to help and you've maybe just discovered a new thing. But its really not helpful. And talking condescendingly to someone about something you've clearly little experience in won't get you very far at all on UKC.
Anyway I've ordered a terra nova voyager, so looking forward to that arriving soon to go and play in the wet and windy mountains of UK.
How many other tarps have you tried and in what conditions?
You've picked a dinosaur which will take at least
10 minutes to pitch,overpriced and a condensation generator.Go for MLD or Henry Shires Tarptent,look
at the range available,all better than your dog kennel choice.You obviously think you know it all
but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!
Its perhaps not the best choice. But im getting it for £250 through a mate. So im wiling to firgive sone short commings for low price. Im aware that it's a slow pitch, but as its for 2 of us it shouldn't take too long.
I'm more than aware that I dont know it all.
I'd be surprised if it really was as bad as you're making out given that it gets such high praise by so many seasoned review panels over so many years. And that it has been updated with materials in 2010 but not design. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I've not used it myself so can't comment yet, but a few friends have it and many regard it as a benchmark lightweight 2 man tent. So we shall see how it goes.
With only one entry this TN semi geodesic design was copied from Bob Saunders back in the 80's,his was called the Felltrek but had 2 entrances, front and rear.Better for through ventilation and only 2 poles,pitched in 5 mins.weight about 2.4kg.
2 doors easier for 2 people,look on fleabay or or similar.
There are a plethora of tents with this design now. There are only so many ways to set up some fabric and poles.
There are tents with more current fabrics that are similar to that design with two entrances. Macpac do one that's more or less the same.
I'd be surprised if a tent from the 80's was more waterproof than one with more current fabrics, but im always happy to be surprised.
My order for the TN is going on Monday, so I've got this weekend to find anything better.
The force 10 ion or the vaude odyssey are the only two at the mo that might tempt me otherwise. Though both are quite a lot more expensive than what I can get the voyager for.
any thoughts on this for a budget hike'n'bike tent?
Cheers for the suggestion. Doesnt look to bad for a vango (had bad e e experiences in the past) popping into go outdoors today. Their geodesic tent looks quite good too. North ridge silicone outer with bathtub inner. 2.8kgs but only £190.
chris townsend rates them: http://www.christownsendoutdoors.com/2012/03/trailstar-wars.html
can't be that difficult to copy/ make yourself? are there any uk companies making similar tarp tents?
no other tarps tried though 60 mph winds, 80mph gusts and was very stable slept straight through the night, while the rest of my group suffered in noisy tents(which funnily enough where terra nova voyagers.)
What are these mystical "UK conditions" that suddenly make tarps fall flat and makes the fabric into mesh, if you cant use a tarp in wet weather look at ultra light hikers in the pacific north west they either use a bivi, mesh bivi or use a mesh insert so next time you spend a night in your tarp try using any of the above (bivi bag is best for mountain use). There is lots of stuff out there to help you (an entire internet) with adapting you're tarp to different weather so don't just give up on it go out there and look for a solution that isn't getting another tent.
Take a look at this review before you buy
the TN Voyager
Its not that they turn them to mesh, whatever that means... I want a tent for work so ive got an area to organise in the evening without wind coming through underneath the tent, have some privacy and be able to sit up properly. In my experience you can have a high tarp to let air through. Or in storm mode where its down in front of your face and is much more prone to condensation, especially in very wet conditions.
That's the super light version. I intentionally steered clear of that after having a look at one. Agreed that its a bit flimsy material and attachments via hooks you may as well have an outer first pitch tent.
Interesting about the center seal leaking. I've not come across that before. Not sure whether seam seal will do a better job than glue.
I've got an older Banshee and I like it, but I can't sit up in it and there's no way it is a 2 man tent! Maybe its bigger than it used to be, I don't know.
Add to that the tunnel design which only works if you have at least a couple decent peg places. The old design was 6 pegs minimum for a decent pitch (getting the vents open) in no wind, this one looks like it needs more.
But with the Lightwave g2 ultra being hardly any heavier, way more roomy, and freestanding except for the porch it is the obvious choice unless every gram counts.
It just occurred to me that I could probably use my trekking poles to hold the porch out, gotta try that!
For a cheap tent it is a great starter I've squeezed two people in it with a fair bit of gear. Its got nice little storage areas at the end for boots and things.
Its a roomy one person my climate partner stayed in it for two weeks in the alps.
Or it can be a tight ish two person but ok for one/two nighters
PS could be the 300 we use (whats actually cheaper by 2p)
Are you sure that the Voyager is a Saunders clone?
The Voyager started life as the Wintergear Emerald. Wintergear was purchased by Wild Country and the Emerald became the Voyager. Wild Country then sold its tent business to new entity called Terra Nova. The 'Voyager' has been on sale and subject to a gradual evolution and various 'Ultra' and 'Superlight' spin offs since 1982.
I recall that until the Space Trek (a Quasar clone) all of Bob's designs were fly first pitching with used either and that none of them were geodesic.
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