In reply to J5:
Park atnn148572.cross the wide but shallow river and go upa small path on the left side of thedeep gully which leds up to the start of the sloping shelf(slightly left of ossians cave)otherwise,cross the bridge(nn167566) and walkslightly downhill to reachthe lower continuation of the sloping shelf down to the valley bottom.go up this line to cross one gully continue to the deep gully. either approach needs to cross the gully.take the the highest traverse line immediately below the cliff.make an awkward decent.then an awkward climb out(about difficult but slippery in its normal wet state)to gain the sloping shelf,go up the shelf for quite a long way until about 100m in distance short of the big gully at the top, the routes are here just below the big damp caveon the wall. thats andy nisbets discription i didnt think the smc description was very good.which i followed once you find the faint path you need to stay on it dont be temped to traverse to low you need your scrambling head on its quite scary but the routes worth it,hope its dry cause its hard for the grade,enjoy.
cheers dougie