/ DMM renegade 2 leg loops
I've 'think' I've heard it's for attaching a leg loop prussic although i see no mention of that anywhere. It seems odd if has no other function than retaining the strap that it's not elastic as this would work better for that purpose!
My wild country men's vision is the same. Interesting question.
Yes it is a bit odd - I use it for attaching the small 'crab' on one of those nut key bungee cords as its too small to clip to gear loops easily. You could use it for a crab for a leg loop prussic too - but just as easy to use the leg loop itself for this purpose.
Also, regarding the leg loop straps, I found the sewn back ends would stick thru the wire wire gates of crabs / extenders on my harness making them really awkward to separate when climbing. So I have cut off these sewn back ends and just heat sealed the cut ends. Not had this happen on other harnesses (had many over the years)
It's for attaching a prusik. Keeps it in a much better position than just on the leg loop.
Do you have any more info about this? Where did you hear / read that this loop is intended for this purpose?
Although I do indeed sometimes use my legloop to attach a prussic - a safety statement was issued a while back about this when using ziplock buckles as they can open up. I've heard it's better to do it all from your belay loop anyway as if you pass out when abbing your leg often rises and then the prussic slips when it pushes against the belay plate.
I suspect the sewn back ends are partially a safety feature to stop the buckle un-threading it's self during use. But yes I have also found this slightly annoying on occasion too.
The above link states the below! Basically that little loop is not for your Prusik.
The legloops are also made using 5mm foam inserts and were very comfortable. There was a little adjustment from the elasticated rear strips. These detached with a small clip buckle and were fine to use without gloves on but very fiddly with them one, to be fair though Iíve never come across a harness that has this issue sorted. They adjusted very smoothly with an auto lock buckle and the excess tape was tidied away through a webbed and elasticated loop. The loop at the fronts help tuck away the excess webbing but it is very import to know that this isnít a loop for a carabiner, the designers have extended the buckle away from the webbing junction so the any carabiner used for abseiling sits above the buckle. This ensure the correct loading and reduces the chances of accidental opening when attaching a prusick back to the leg loop.
Interesting - I wonder if that review got there info from DMM? it seems likely.
I don't think the loop looks reinforced enough if DMM really did expect it to be used for abseiling prussic purposes and I also expect they would have mentioned it on their website.
You'ld have thought so wouldn't you? Drop them a line maybe for a definitive answer - in my experience they have always been really helpful.
These loops are also present on my DMM Maverick harness which does not have adjustable leg loops, and thus doesn't have any excess webbing to tuck away.
I don't believe the loops in question are actually intended to serve any functional purpose when the harness is in use. I reckon they're there for constructional reasons: it allows the edge binding on the padded part of the leg loop to be made from a single length of tape which loops at each end and is sewn together at the point where the rear supporting tape attaches. It saves having to put a neat, non-fraying finish on four ends of binding tape.
So they're not designed to be take any significant load, and it seems likely that using them for such a purpose would be (a) unsafe, and (b) likely to damage the edge finish of the padded part of the leg loop. There's nothing to stop you making use of them for other purposes which wouldn't be expected to impose a significant load, such as tucking away the loose end of the leg loop adjustment webbing on a harness which has that feature.
Taken from the review (link included in post above). I don't own one of these harnesses (though when mine's due a replacement they look pretty good). I think the important thing, as you say, is that they're not designed to be loadbearing.
How do you like your Maverick - any good?
I'm less happy that there's no Maverick 2 in their current line-up - DMM seem to have given up on producing harnesses with fixed leg loops. When it comes time to replace the Maverick I'll need to think hard about whether I can be bothered with adjustable leg loops if I choose to stick with DMM, or look to another manufacturer.
It does seem to make it easy to pull the leg loop tighter - you can pull the end at 180 degrees to where you would have to pull otherwise and it works quite nicely, although I suspect this is not the reason it is there. On my older Renegade 1 there was a matching pair of loops on each leg loop that the webbing did not go through, so I agree with Martin W that they are probably for constructional purposes.
Chances are it is actually strong enough to hold your brake prussik, as it shouldn't be taking that much load, although I am certainly not recommending it!
It should be pointed out though that a) a prussik is obviously not rated as it is in no way guaranteed to grip, b) the leg loops are not individually rated (the harness must hold 10kN on the waistband alone and 15kN all together).
Maverick 2 will be available spring 2015. Saw it at the outdoor show in Friedrichshafen along with three other brand new harnesses and their new belay devices. All looking very nice.
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