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 jamesfrome 06 Jun 2016

Hiya.

A mate and I are looking at stepping into higher altitude mountaineering. We are planning to go to the Peak Lenin area between August 3rd and 30th this year. We have only done 5 weeks of alpine stuff and managed to take ourselves up Mont Blanc fairly easily and other AD 4000m routes with more difficulty.

Is anyone going around this time and would like to join; or can anyone offer some sage advice? Do we need to arrange any permits in advance??

I am finding the logistical side a bit overwhelming and have little idea of where to begin. Would this be a suitable (low cost / time efficient) place to start learning a few skills in high altitude mountaineering and what kind of investment in gear are we looking at? Do many people take all their gear up these kind of routes?

Sorry for all the waffle - if anyone can guide us a little I would very much appreciate it.
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 tomytwotoes 06 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

hello, I'm going in July, and I have been arranging it with aksai travel. They are being very professional (answer emails, silly questions etc very quickly). you can check prices on their website, and they sort everything out. right now you get a 90 day visa at the airport, which is a godsend.

gear I shouldn't really say, coz I haven't tried it yet...

good luck
 jongupta 06 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

Hi,

I've been to Lenin twice (and skied off the summit!)...and i'm organising a trip there through my company in July.

I am happy to help answer any questions for your trip that you might have and point you in the right direction. Just ask

Jon
 tjdodd 06 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

Don't underestimate how big a mountain it is. It is not technically difficult (some fixed ropes) but is logistically and psychologically difficult. My attempt ended at advanced base camp with mountain sickness. On my trip of about 12 people only 3 summitted and those that did had done similar mountains before. In terms of altitude gain it is similar to Everest (although obviously lower in ultimate altitude). You therefore need multiple camps and spend a long time acclimatising by going up and down between camps. It is a true remote high altitude expedition. It will be difficult to get all the food and equipment you need to advanced base camp as well without support.

Technical gear is just single axe, crampons and an ascender for fixed ropes plus a shed load of clothing (to cover everything from too hot to hear to too cold to bear) and sleeping gear. I think I got all my personal gear down to less than 20kg but you should have seen the piles of shared equipment we had to take.

The country is amazing but little English is spoken which I would guess would make independent travel quite challenging (but not impossible).

Have you thought about doing something more around 6000m first in a less remote place - South America or Himalayas for example? I would say this is a big and challenging trip as your first high altitude attempt.
 Damo 07 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:
Going to the Andes, particularly Bolivia, would be a better intermediate step, tbh, but Lenin is not the worst choice. I did it a few years ago, using Ak-Sai Travel, who were very good. I bought the package with full BC service (i.e. mostly just meals and a tent) but no guide or anything above BC.

It is one of the easiest big mountains to organise logistically and is certainly not remote - you turn off a main road and drive to BC in a van! There is television, sauna and cooks in BC and dining tent in ABC/C1. This removes a lot of the work and stress of climbing a big mountain and makes things much easier.

Like all commercialised mountains, guiding companies try to guide them too fast to fit holiday timeframes, not allowing enough time for *all* people to acclimatise properly and summit with safety. As with Aconcagua, most clients just make it, in discomfort and with no margin.

There were no fixed ropes when I did it in August 2012, though there were remnants of maybe 20m of thin cord lying in the snow at the steepest bit on summit day around 6700m(?) which was not at all necessary anyway. If you can't climb this terrain without fixed ropes you should go away and get better until you can, otherwise you're a danger to everyone around you.

Do not underestimate the avalanche danger. Though the C2 site was moved from the place where over 40 people were killed in 1990, it is still a dangerous area. We sat in C2 (a dirty, sh!++y place by August) and watched a very large avo rip down and take out the track not far below camp. An hour later about 30 people walked across there.

Everyone starts too late by normal big mountain or Alpine standards (though in that case half an hour earlier would have been fatal). It gets very hot down low, so we started at 2am and were in C2 by early morning, whereas many just followed the crowd, leaving C1/ABC around 8am and baking in the heat and slush. There were a few large crevasses around 2/3 of the way to C2 that were worth being roped up for.

It can be quite windy up high and both C3 sites are hit by wind. The first one is on a slope that did not look very convenient (and requires a short uphill trudge to get back to after summiting) so we camped in the second one, in the col around 6300m, that was quite windy, but OK. Summit day was good weather but cold, maybe -20C at least, though it warmed up later in the morning. You definitely want warm gear, including face protection, for that summit morning.

I was climbing alone above C3 but there was a group just behind me, and one French group far ahead who started around midnight. If I had not been able to see them on the summit from some way away, I would not have been sure where to head, as it's very very low angle up there and many of the little tops look the same, so be careful if you are first up and in front. Of course only one of the little tops has a bust of Lenin sitting on the rocks.

Having attempted a couple of other much (much) less popular and harder 7000ers, and an 8000er, and I can say that Lenin is far easier and more doable than most 7000ers. Just watch those avalanches.
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OP jamesfrome 09 Jun 2016
In reply to jongupta:

Hi Jon.

Thanks for the response! That is very impressive; I have actually read your write up on the trip previously which was great!!

I am curious as to the cheapest way to get to Peak Lenin from Osh? I assume one goes through Sary-Tash and then on from there; is there any cheap local transport or what would you recommend?

Best,

James.
OP jamesfrome 09 Jun 2016
In reply to mateocaramessaddler:

I have sent an email to aksai travel - thanks for the tip!!
OP jamesfrome 09 Jun 2016
In reply to tjdodd:

Thanks for the really informative response. We are planning to give ourselves 27 days Osh - Osh so I hope that is enough for the altitude. The reason we have picked this one is cost - otherwise I would agree Bolivia looks good. It is all quite late in the day as well and has to be in August (pair of teachers) so that limits Himalayas (atm - might have to take a year out in the future).

I will try to get my personal gear down to 20kg then!!
OP jamesfrome 09 Jun 2016
In reply to Damo:

Wow. Thank you for spending so much time helping me and bringing the route to life!

Some really useful advice there on starting times especially and how the mountain evolves. I much prefer going early so will follow your guidance.
 Damo 09 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

> ... on starting times

Forgot to mention - the section between ABC/C1 and the start of the actual glacial ice is a very long, wide, flat moraine with lots of scree, boulders and ups and downs. The different agency camps access it from slightly different points. When I was there the track was quite vague, with a few variations. There were also a few areas where you could fall and die in big glacial sinkholes or dry crevasses.

Being flat, it takes as long on the way back as on the way up (or longer). It's worth checking out the start and at least first bit the evening before you go, so as to reduce the chances of getting lost/off-track in the 3am dark the next morning. A GPS track would not be overkill either - I did it and it helped us a bit on the return.

Once you get closer to the start of the white ice of the glacier it gets easier to see the start of the actual climbing, where you put crampons on, and from that point there is just one easy track on the glacier proper.
OP jamesfrome 10 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

Does anyone have experience in organising the border permit for Peak Lenin?

What is the best / cheapest way to go about this?

Also what is the best / cheapest way to get there from Osh? Are there any buses etc. that are cheaper than the tours?

Thanks!!

James
OP jamesfrome 11 Jun 2016
In reply to jamesfrome:

Flights booked. If anyone is out there between 8th August and 1st September, I would love to link up.

Best.

James.

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