In reply to Bondu man: I've got pretty much the full set of the camp spiders - and I reckon they're top cams. Had no problems at all with them... and for the price, they're hard to beat.. the size 1 has taken a couple of big falls, and performed perfectly... not really fallen on any of the others, and only used the 10 once - its a bit too big - but the est are excellant.