80m, 3 pitches.

Rockfax Description
80m. One of the most frequently climbed routes in the Lakes. Start about 60m. left of gully 2 below a prominent V Corner. 1) 20m. Climb ice or turfy ledges followed by a slabby groove to belay below the 'V Corner'. 2) 20m. Climb the V Corner. 3) 50m. Easier climbing to the top. © Rockfax

ClimberDateStyleNotes & Partners
hamishjfk 21/Feb AltLd O/S

Very thin ice pitch into V Grove and unconsolodated turf

Andy mckay
RobEdwards 21/Feb Lead O/S

Lean conditions below the V Corner but a hearty grade III section

Tony Ryland 17/Feb Lead

Nice icy slab

Jonathan Davies
Hidden 15/Feb -
TAG_UTLEY 15/Feb 2nd O/S

Pretty bare in places. Some interesting moves on thin ice and rock

Andrew Lodge 15/Feb AltLd O/S

First pitch by far the best and Steve got to lead it but so much better conditions than we were expecting.

crowberry gully 14/Feb AltLd

a bit warm but plenty of ice

chancer 08/Feb AltLd O/S
David Dees
summerse 08/Feb 2nd O/S

Good Condition - Took the ice fall rather than the corner.

Hidden 08/Feb 2nd
sjbrook 07/Feb 2nd O/S

Loads of Ice and good route, but got very confused looking for the "hard second/third" pitch that is shown in many of the photos. Now believe the hard corner pitch is V-corner extended route. Would like to do again without the extended finish.

Dave Richards 07/Feb Lead O/S

Confused by some of the pictures on here and the route description. Ended up running out 60m looking for the V groove as it looks in some pictures. Had, I believe already lead through it to close to a harder continuation groove. Sam lead up the very tricky corner groove (not sure on grade but felt harder than III) in lean condition which I think is the extended finish and I lead us into the summit.

scott quinn 07/Feb AltLd O/S

The pitch lengths seem wrong... took the ice fall rather than the corner on top pitch, corner looked thin

laurence_falconer 07/Feb Lead

Good Ice low down, top corner was very thin and felt very hard and precarious.

Duncan Edgely, Ben Caley
duncanedgley 07/Feb 2nd
doughobbs 06/Feb AltLd O/S

Guide book said 70M left of gully 3 however I'd guess its more like 30 at most, after finding the start Chris lead the first section the at the base of the V I lead, the V was very thin and had had some traffic on previously making it somewhat tricky! bloody right crampon came off as I was setting up the belay, Belayed Chris up then he headed up the summit snow field and belayed my upto the top. Great little route marred only by a bunch of lads on a route to the right (as you look at the route) all giving it the "that was a solid move" and "my grade IV was way harder than Badgers III" bullshit!

Chris Cope (Cloggies)
joe hallam 05/Feb AltLd O/S

good nick! good screws in places and frozen turf all round! brilliant route also.

Rocket Ronnie 04/Feb 2nd O/S

My first winter climb in the Lakes. The perfect introduction to grade 3. pitch 1 ideal ice with some bridging 10m. to and ice column belay and old piton. p2 was an 8ft traverse L to start the groove. p3 long top-out pitch with 2 pieces of pro to the cornice. Difficult top out due to unconsolidated snow giving brain freeze in the wind. Happy man. Thanks Diccon.

scarmichael 03/Feb Solo

very enjoyable, thin in sections but turf well frozen

Hidden 03/Feb Solo
djbeaumont 03/Feb 2nd
Al shorrock
admackie 02/Feb AltLd
Palmer 01/Feb AltLd
Avinash Aujayeb 01/Feb 2nd
Paddy cave
Avinash Aujayeb 01/Feb -
Paddy cave
Benstar 31/Jan -
Simon Bostock 31/Jan AltLd O/S

Good condition. 2 pairs. 2hrs

Christopher Lyness, Anthony Smith, Stephen Hull
farmus21 ?/Jan Solo
Sam Radcliffe
Hidden ??/2015 AltLd
Samuel Wainwright 29/Dec/14 Solo O/S
Martin Rowe 09/Apr/13 -

soloed up to the vcorner which Aaren then lead.

Timo Austino 07/Apr/13 Solo O/S
Hidden 02/Apr/13 Lead O/S
Danny Crump 02/Apr/13 Solo
Steve Farndon, John Andrews
Danny Crump 31/Mar/13 Lead
Hidden 16/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
joermann 15/Mar/13 AltLd
redshapedfriday 14/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
tom anderson
petegunn 12/Mar/13 AltLd
Hidden 11/Mar/13 -
Andrew will wilson 05/Mar/13 Lead
MartF 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S

With Ash Green

Lee Sheard 27/Feb/13 Lead rpt
Mattlloyd10 27/Feb/13 2nd
John Roe 24/Feb/13 Lead

Just completed the ice pitches then abbed off due to time. Ver worthwhile route

Nathan Maxwell, Mark Aymes
Hidden 24/Feb/13 AltLd O/S
Blurgy319 24/Feb/13 -

Just did ice pitches then abseiled off due to time

John Roe, Nathan Maxwell
John Roe 23/Feb/13 AltLd

Led the first two pitches, easy going beyond that

Rob Edwards, Eddy Tompkins
RobEdwards 23/Feb/13 2nd


Mr. K 17/Feb/13 AltLd O/S

We climbed a line to the left of the main V corner as that was a bit too thin. Snow was in excellent condition, turf was well frozen and there was a bit of ice around. Quality day out under bluebird skies!

lithos 17/Feb/13 -

different line this time - up & left to the obvious ice fall and short mixed step. Great day out with blue skies and sunshine

r_o_b_h2 12/Feb/13 AltLd O/S
Matt Harris
Hidden 12/Feb/13 AltLd O/S
The Blue Bucket 09/Feb/13 Lead O/S

Good nick lots of ice, and neve

Kaiser999 03/Feb/13 Solo

Good solid neve and thin ice

ChrisWills 02/Feb/13 AltLd
Hidden 02/Feb/13 Lead
Chrismoore94 ?/Feb/13 AltLd O/S
Martin Rowe 24/Jan/13 Lead O/S

Deep powder snow in some places. Ice in the lower sections. Nothing in crux corner but turf was frozen. A bit of a battle getting up it. Still enjoyed it and weather was good.

Double Knee Bar 19/Jan/13 Lead O/S

Crux corner was entertaining! Good proper solid turf but rotten ice.

Utch69 ??/2013 -
Danny Crump 13/Dec/12 Solo
Hidden 12/Dec/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden 12/Dec/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden 12/Dec/12 AltLd
Petarghh 11/Dec/12 Solo
crowberry gully 11/Dec/12 AltLd

lots of neve, the V groove was almost buried, good conditions

Ross McGibbon
Hidden 11/Dec/12 AltLd
wildbill 10/Dec/12 2nd O/S
petegunn 10/Dec/12 Lead
Hidden 10/Dec/12 AltLd
Hidden 05/Dec/12 Solo
David Cowley 05/Dec/12 AltLd O/S
chris smith 05/Dec/12 Lead O/S
david cowley
Hidden 02/Dec/12 Lead O/S
Goose4 01/Dec/12 AltLd O/S
Alex Pokhilko
Goose4 01/Dec/12 AltLd O/S
Alex Pokhilko
Pohil 01/Dec/12 AltLd

Deep snow.

Hidden ?/Dec/12 -
Jack_Lewin 08/Feb/12 2nd O/S
lewk_c 08/Feb/12 Lead O/S

Snow was mostly windslab on top of powdery snow, but held, ice was ok and the turf was frozen. All in all, a good day in clear weather.

Hidden 05/Feb/12 Lead
Wesley Orvis 04/Feb/12 2nd

Serious avalanche condtitions and good ice but not much neve. Had to multi pitch abseil from just under the cornice due to it been unnegotiable.

Adam Lincoln 04/Feb/12 Solo
Steve Dunning, Pete Chadwick
petegunn 02/Feb/12 Lead

More like IV in current conditions, similar to "Two Grooves" but less sustained.

Hidden 02/Feb/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 27/Dec/11 Lead O/S
Alan Dixon 10/Dec/11 -
Pete Rigby ?/Dec/11 Lead O/S
Merlin March
Hidden 22/Jan/11 AltLd rpt
Hidden 08/Jan/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden 08/Jan/11 AltLd
Hidden 08/Jan/11 AltLd O/S
adie84 ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 AltLd
rylett 20/Dec/10 AltLd
Dave Heaton
Spence22 19/Dec/10 AltLd O/S
Anthony Dixon 18/Dec/10 AltLd
dea 04/Dec/10 2nd dog

1st winter climb, no ice on the v corner. felt bloody hard to me!!!!!!!!

Hidden 03/Dec/10 Lead O/S
AMarchant 03/Dec/10 2nd
Hidden 01/Dec/10 AltLd
Hidden 01/Dec/10 AltLd O/S
lindsam 01/Dec/10 AltLd O/S

Nice climb, pity about the weather!

Petarghh 29/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
tk1991 29/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Jack Loftus 29/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 28/Nov/10 2nd
Hidden 28/Nov/10 AltLd rpt
Mr. K 28/Nov/10 Lead O/S
Andrew1 28/Nov/10 Lead
MTS 27/Nov/10 AltLd
Bob 27/Nov/10 AltLd O/S

Not in brilliant nick but unusual to get a winter route done in November. The pitch lengths both in the guide and here seem way out: with a 60m rope the first two pitches had 5m left; the V-corner had a metre left and the last pitch was 75 metres! Hope the woman who got rescued from below Viking Buttress is OK, a broken leg apparently - http://www.mountainrescue.org.uk/news/2010_077.

Steve Brock
JYates 27/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Mike Pigram
Hidden 26/Nov/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Dave Warburton 26/Nov/10 AltLd O/S

Nice lead from Conor - Weren't sure of line, but ended up in a V groove, with turf and thin verglass and such.

Hidden ?/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Nov/10 AltLd
_sllab_ 14/May/10 Lead O/S
natasha sharp
_sllab_ ?/Apr/10 Solo
Hidden 10/Mar/10 Lead
Shaw Brown 06/Mar/10 AltLd
Hidden 06/Mar/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 06/Mar/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 28/Feb/10 AltLd O/S
jason 28/Feb/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Feb/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/Feb/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 07/Feb/10 -
markfairbank 07/Feb/10 AltLd O/S

Good ice lower down, possibly bypassed the V corner higher up

Martin Kitson
ollyroberts 03/Feb/10 Lead
Hidden 01/Feb/10 Lead O/S
ewen 01/Feb/10 Lead
matt b, blake
oliverthomp 01/Feb/10 Solo
jimorothy 01/Feb/10 AltLd

Initial fat ice pitch was quite tricky and very good, inadvertently led the crux as V-corner far too easy. Still, enjoyed route after finally found. It is clear that a lot of people are very confused about where this route is. I think the guidebook's 70m and the 60m here are confusing. It's about 30-40m left of gully 2.

Scott Barnett
J1PEF ?/Feb/10 Lead
Hidden 31/Jan/10 Lead O/S
Shuttsie 31/Jan/10 2nd O/S
Booey 31/Jan/10 2nd
chris_j_s 30/Jan/10 AltLd O/S

Great conditions - topped out to a magnificent sunset. One of the best days out I've ever had in the hills!

Lee Sheard 30/Jan/10 AltLd O/S
John Hubbard
nakedave 30/Jan/10 AltLd
wheelo 26/Jan/10 2nd

line to the right of V corner

foggy and pete
Peter Metcalfe 26/Jan/10 AltLd

The ever-elusive VC

Hidden 23/Jan/10 Solo O/S
Hidden 23/Jan/10 Solo O/S
petegunn 21/Jan/10 Solo
Deako 05/Jan/10 AltLd O/S
Richard Pyne
petellis 01/Jan/10 2nd

Led the final snow slope but that dosent really count.

Hidden 01/Jan/10 -
Hidden ?/Jan/10 Lead
Hidden ??/2010 -
Hidden ??/2010 -
Sylvi 13/Feb/09 2nd

My best day out in the Lakes - conditions were awesome

petegunn 08/Feb/09 Lead
stimpey 08/Feb/09 2nd
Zoomer 07/Feb/09 AltLd

Clearly, by reading the other user comments, we have gone wrong somwhere. The last corner pitch, although well used had very little ice, wasn't banked up and had bugger all gear after the first 2m. This felt like hard IV/V (not that i've done many!) but was way way harder than any other III i've done. Start 20m left of No. 2 Gully.1st pitch, ice ledges to a ledge under an ice column, 15m. 2 pitch, go up easy snow groove to large stance below a wall, 50m. 3rd pitch, traverse right under wall then up easy groove to below steep corner (crux) with sloping ledge on LH halfway up, stance above, 30m. 4th pitch, easy snow slope to finish. Does this sound like anything anyone else has done?

Jon Wickham 07/Feb/09 Lead O/S

Great route in great condition. Started late and topped out at 5pm.

Rich Tones
DannyMac 07/Feb/09 AltLd
lithos 04/Feb/09 Lead

fun and games, great ice, must remember to take the gear when running out 60m looking for a belay! Don't thnk we did the correct start but it was excellent.

KeithW 04/Feb/09 AltLd O/S

Some confusion over exact line!

pebbles 04/Feb/09 2nd

first proper winter climb!!!!woo hoo

Hidden 04/Feb/09 AltLd
Mark A Humphries 03/Feb/09 Solo O/S
Hidden ?/Feb/09 -
Hidden 31/Jan/09 AltLd
Lee Sheard ??/2009 Solo
Hidden 06/Dec/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 06/Dec/08 AltLd O/S
vincentvega ?/Dec/08 Lead
mike smith
Hidden ?/Dec/08 Solo
m1ke_smith ?/Dec/08 2nd
Allan Robb
Hidden ?/Dec/08 Lead
tommytuffa 26/Mar/08 AltLd O/S

Great route, went right, around a large boulder (at top of gully, about 50m from top) and climbed short frozen waterfall.

Hidden 24/Mar/08 AltLd O/S
Hidden 24/Mar/08 AltLd O/S
Hidden 24/Mar/08 AltLd
Hidden 23/Mar/08 Lead
blackpoolrock 12/Jan/08 2nd O/S

Great conditions, plenty of well packed snow and hard ice. Very enjoyable, will try to lead a pitch or two on next visit.

with Ash
Somerset swede basher 12/Jan/08 AltLd O/S
Jim Keeley
Simon Caldwell 12/Jan/08 AltLd O/S

I led first 2 guidebook pitches in one. Nice steep ice leading to the first ledge, the next corner was fun too. The V Corner pitch was banked out with big bucket steps, so we moved on to the Extension instead for added interest.

Carmen and Will
Will Smith 12/Jan/08 2nd rpt

Greatly improved conditions from the last time I did it. More ice and plenty more snow meant it was banked out and most of the hard moves were covered over.

frecro 09/Jan/08 AltLd

soloed 1st and last pitches.

Malcolm H-S and Pete
jscoles 05/Jan/08 AltLd
Jon Mason
Pete Graham ?/Jan/08 AltLd
Malcolm and Freddy
Sean Kelly ??/2008 -
Will Smith 11/Dec/07 AltLd O/S

Led pitches 1 and 3. Pitch 1 was all on ice giving some nice moves. Pitch 2 had a couple of harder mixed moves up a lean corner. 3rd and 4th pitches were really just snow plodding with variable quality of snow. Overall a great route and nice to get something done in the lakes in early december.

swmackey ?/Dec/07 Lead
joe larner ?/Jan/07 Lead O/S
chrishedgehog 21/Mar/06 AltLd O/S
Dan Bailey
Russell Lovett 05/Mar/06 AltLd
tony lickes
Hidden 02/Mar/06 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Mar/06 AltLd
Martin Haworth ?/Mar/06 Lead O/S
val p
danm 02/Jan/06 AltLd
Dan Robinson
John Kettle ??/2006 AltLd
net ?/Mar/05 2nd
Jim H & Nice Andy
Hammy 04/Feb/04 AltLd
Ian Barker
Hidden ??/2004 AltLd O/S
crowberry gully 05/Jan/03 AltLd
Ross McGibbon
Hidden ?/Dec/02 AltLd
Hidden ??/2002 -
crowberry gully 14/Jan/01 AltLd
Ross McGibbon
Hidden ?/Jan/01 Lead O/S
Jim Haydock ?/Dec/99 AltLd
Pete and Graham
Hidden ?/Jul/99 -
Hidden 09/Jan/77 AltLd
Hidden ??/1976 -
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