V-Corner** III
[Fat December ice on Helvellyn, 2 kb]80m, 3 pitches.

Rockfax Description
80m. One of the most frequently climbed routes in the Lakes. Start about 60m. left of gully 2 below a prominent V Corner. 1) 20m. Climb ice or turfy ledges followed by a slabby groove to belay below the 'V Corner'. 2) 20m. Climb the V Corner. 3) 50m. Easier climbing to the top. © ROCKFAX

Photo: Fat December ice on Helvellyn © waps100
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This climb is in 209 logbooks, and on 15 wishlists.

Very thin ice pitch into V Grove and unconsolodated turf
hamishjfk - AltLd O/S - 21/Feb/15 with Andy mckay

Lean conditions below the V Corner but a hearty grade III section
RobEdwards - Lead O/S - 21/Feb/15 with Tash

Nice icy slab
Tony Ryland - Lead - 17/Feb/15 with Jonathan Davies

Hidden - 15/Feb/15

Pretty bare in places. Some interesting moves on thin ice and rock
TAG_UTLEY - 2nd O/S - 15/Feb/15 with Dan Kennedy

First pitch by far the best and Steve got to lead it but so much better conditions than we were expecting.
Andrew Lodge - AltLd O/S - 15/Feb/15 with Steve

a bit warm but plenty of ice
crowberry gully - AltLd - 14/Feb/15 with Kevin

chancer - AltLd O/S - 08/Feb/15 with David Dees

Good Condition - Took the ice fall rather than the corner.
summerse - 2nd O/S - 08/Feb/15 with Greg Richards

Hidden - 2nd - 08/Feb/15

Loads of Ice and good route, but got very confused looking for the "hard second/third" pitch that is shown in many of the photos. Now believe the hard corner pitch is V-corner extended route. Would like to do again without the extended finish.
sjbrook - 2nd O/S - 07/Feb/15 with Dave Richards, PMC

Confused by some of the pictures on here and the route description. Ended up running out 60m looking for the V groove as it looks in some pictures. Had, I believe already lead through it to close to a harder continuation groove. Sam lead up the very tricky corner groove (not sure on grade but felt harder than III) in lean condition which I think is the extended finish and I lead us into the summit.
Dave Richards - Lead O/S - 07/Feb/15 with sjbrook

The pitch lengths seem wrong... took the ice fall rather than the corner on top pitch, corner looked thin
scott quinn - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/15

Good Ice low down, top corner was very thin and felt very hard and precarious.
laurence_falconer - Lead - 07/Feb/15 with Duncan Edgely, Ben Caley

duncanedgley - 2nd - 07/Feb/15 with Ben, Laurence

Guide book said 70M left of gully 3 however I'd guess its more like 30 at most, after finding the start Chris lead the first section the at the base of the V I lead, the V was very thin and had had some traffic on previously making it somewhat tricky! bloody right crampon came off as I was setting up the belay, Belayed Chris up then he headed up the summit snow field and belayed my upto the top. Great little route marred only by a bunch of lads on a route to the right (as you look at the route) all giving it the "that was a solid move" and "my grade IV was way harder than Badgers III" bullshit!
doughobbs - AltLd O/S - 06/Feb/15 with Chris Cope (Cloggies)

good nick! good screws in places and frozen turf all round! brilliant route also.
joe hallam - AltLd O/S - 05/Feb/15 with matt hardy

My first winter climb in the Lakes. The perfect introduction to grade 3. pitch 1 ideal ice with some bridging 10m. to and ice column belay and old piton. p2 was an 8ft traverse L to start the groove. p3 long top-out pitch with 2 pieces of pro to the cornice. Difficult top out due to unconsolidated snow giving brain freeze in the wind. Happy man. Thanks Diccon.
Rocket Ronnie - 2nd O/S - 04/Feb/15

very enjoyable, thin in sections but turf well frozen
scarmichael - Solo - 03/Feb/15

Hidden - Solo - 03/Feb/15

djbeaumont - 2nd - 03/Feb/15 with Al shorrock

admackie - AltLd - 02/Feb/15 with chris palmer

Palmer - AltLd - 01/Feb/15 with Andrew Mackie

Avinash Aujayeb - 2nd - 01/Feb/15 with Paddy cave

Avinash Aujayeb - 01/Feb/15 with Paddy cave

Benstar - 31/Jan/15

Good condition. 2 pairs. 2hrs
Simon Bostock - AltLd O/S - 31/Jan/15 with Christopher Lyness, Anthony Smith, Stephen Hull

farmus21 - Solo - Jan/15 with Sam Radcliffe

Hidden - AltLd - 2015

Hidden - Solo O/S - 29/Dec/14

soloed up to the vcorner which Aaren then lead.
Martin Rowe - 09/Apr/13 with aaren

Timo Austino - Solo O/S - 07/Apr/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 02/Apr/13

Danny Crump - Solo - 02/Apr/13 with Steve Farndon, John Andrews

Danny Crump - Lead - 31/Mar/13 with Sarah Pentelow

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Mar/13

joermann - AltLd - 15/Mar/13

redshapedfriday - AltLd O/S - 14/Mar/13 with tom anderson

petegunn - AltLd - 12/Mar/13 with Will

Hidden - 11/Mar/13

Andrew will wilson - Lead - 05/Mar/13

With Ash Green
MartF - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/13 with Ash

Lee Sheard - Lead rpt - 27/Feb/13 with matt

Mattlloyd10 - 2nd - 27/Feb/13

Just completed the ice pitches then abbed off due to time. Ver worthwhile route
John Roe - Lead - 24/Feb/13 with Nathan Maxwell, Mark Aymes

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Feb/13

Just did ice pitches then abseiled off due to time
Blurgy319 - 24/Feb/13 with John Roe, Nathan Maxwell

Led the first two pitches, easy going beyond that
John Roe - AltLd - 23/Feb/13 with Rob Edwards, Eddy Tompkins

RobEdwards - 2nd - 23/Feb/13

We climbed a line to the left of the main V corner as that was a bit too thin. Snow was in excellent condition, turf was well frozen and there was a bit of ice around. Quality day out under bluebird skies!
Mr. K - AltLd O/S - 17/Feb/13 with Rob Stone

different line this time - up & left to the obvious ice fall and short mixed step. Great day out with blue skies and sunshine
lithos - 17/Feb/13 with Mr. K

r_o_b_h2 - AltLd O/S - 12/Feb/13 with Matt Harris

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Feb/13

Good nick lots of ice, and neve
The Blue Bucket - Lead O/S - 09/Feb/13

Good solid neve and thin ice
Kaiser999 - Solo - 03/Feb/13

ChrisWills - AltLd - 02/Feb/13

Hidden - Lead - 02/Feb/13

Chrismoore94 - AltLd O/S - Feb/13

Deep powder snow in some places. Ice in the lower sections. Nothing in crux corner but turf was frozen. A bit of a battle getting up it. Still enjoyed it and weather was good.
Martin Rowe - Lead O/S - 24/Jan/13 with Paul Carroll

Crux corner was entertaining! Good proper solid turf but rotten ice.
Double Knee Bar - Lead O/S - 19/Jan/13

Utch69 - 2013

Danny Crump - Solo - 13/Dec/12

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Dec/12

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Dec/12

Hidden - AltLd - 12/Dec/12

Petarghh - Solo - 11/Dec/12

lots of neve, the V groove was almost buried, good conditions
crowberry gully - AltLd - 11/Dec/12 with Ross McGibbon

Hidden - AltLd - 11/Dec/12

wildbill - 2nd O/S - 10/Dec/12 with Pete Gunn

petegunn - Lead - 10/Dec/12 with Bill

Hidden - AltLd - 10/Dec/12

Hidden - Solo - 05/Dec/12

David Cowley - AltLd O/S - 05/Dec/12 with Chris Smith

chris smith - Lead O/S - 05/Dec/12 with david cowley

Hidden - Lead O/S - 02/Dec/12

Goose4 - AltLd O/S - 01/Dec/12 with Alex Pokhilko

Goose4 - AltLd O/S - 01/Dec/12 with Alex Pokhilko

Deep snow.
Pohil - AltLd - 01/Dec/12 with Angus McKendrick

Hidden - Dec/12

Jack_Lewin - 2nd O/S - 08/Feb/12 with lewk_c

Snow was mostly windslab on top of powdery snow, but held, ice was ok and the turf was frozen. All in all, a good day in clear weather.
lewk_c - Lead O/S - 08/Feb/12 with Jack Lewin

Hidden - Lead - 05/Feb/12

Serious avalanche condtitions and good ice but not much neve. Had to multi pitch abseil from just under the cornice due to it been unnegotiable.
Wesley Orvis - 2nd - 04/Feb/12

Adam Lincoln - Solo - 04/Feb/12 with Steve Dunning, Pete Chadwick

More like IV in current conditions, similar to "Two Grooves" but less sustained.
petegunn - Lead - 02/Feb/12 with Davina

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 02/Feb/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Dec/11

Alan Dixon - 10/Dec/11

Pete Rigby - Lead O/S - Dec/11 with Merlin March

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 22/Jan/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11

Hidden - AltLd - 08/Jan/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11

adie84 - 2011

Hidden - AltLd - 2011

rylett - AltLd - 20/Dec/10 with Dave Heaton

Spence22 - AltLd O/S - 19/Dec/10 with Ed, Charlie

Anthony Dixon - AltLd - 18/Dec/10

1st winter climb, no ice on the v corner. felt bloody hard to me!!!!!!!!
dea - 2nd dog - 04/Dec/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/Dec/10

AMarchant - 2nd - 03/Dec/10 with Ally Hurst

Hidden - AltLd - 01/Dec/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Dec/10

Nice climb, pity about the weather!
lindsam - AltLd O/S - 01/Dec/10 with Will C

Petarghh - AltLd O/S - 29/Nov/10 with tk1991, cavemanjack

tk1991 - AltLd O/S - 29/Nov/10

Jack Loftus - AltLd O/S - 29/Nov/10 with Tom K, Pete Hill

Hidden - 2nd - 28/Nov/10

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 28/Nov/10

Mr. K - Lead O/S - 28/Nov/10 with James Rowe

Andrew1 - Lead - 28/Nov/10 with Chris Fisher

MTS - AltLd - 27/Nov/10 with James

Not in brilliant nick but unusual to get a winter route done in November. The pitch lengths both in the guide and here seem way out: with a 60m rope the first two pitches had 5m left; the V-corner had a metre left and the last pitch was 75 metres! Hope the woman who got rescued from below Viking Buttress is OK, a broken leg apparently - http://www.mountainrescue.org.uk/news/2010_077.
Bob - AltLd O/S - 27/Nov/10 with Steve Brock

JYates - AltLd O/S - 27/Nov/10 with Mike Pigram

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Nov/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Nov/10

Nice lead from Conor - Weren't sure of line, but ended up in a V groove, with turf and thin verglass and such.
Dave Warburton - AltLd O/S - 26/Nov/10 with Conor, HuwGoodal

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Nov/10

Hidden - AltLd - Nov/10

_sllab_ - Lead O/S - 14/May/10 with natasha sharp

_sllab_ - Solo - Apr/10

Hidden - Lead - 10/Mar/10

Shaw Brown - AltLd - 06/Mar/10 with Philippa

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 06/Mar/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 06/Mar/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Feb/10

jason - Lead O/S - 28/Feb/10 with manmike

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Feb/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 13/Feb/10

Hidden - 07/Feb/10

Good ice lower down, possibly bypassed the V corner higher up
markfairbank - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10 with Martin Kitson

ollyroberts - Lead - 03/Feb/10 with Kyle

Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Feb/10

ewen - Lead - 01/Feb/10 with matt b, blake

oliverthomp - Solo - 01/Feb/10

Initial fat ice pitch was quite tricky and very good, inadvertently led the crux as V-corner far too easy. Still, enjoyed route after finally found. It is clear that a lot of people are very confused about where this route is. I think the guidebook's 70m and the 60m here are confusing. It's about 30-40m left of gully 2.
jimorothy - AltLd - 01/Feb/10 with Scott Barnett

J1PEF - Lead - Feb/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 31/Jan/10

Shuttsie - 2nd O/S - 31/Jan/10 with Andrea Sales

Booey - 2nd - 31/Jan/10

Great conditions - topped out to a magnificent sunset. One of the best days out I've ever had in the hills!
chris_j_s - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/10 with Catherine Speakman

Lee Sheard - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/10 with John Hubbard

nakedave - AltLd - 30/Jan/10

line to the right of V corner
wheelo - 2nd - 26/Jan/10 with foggy and pete

The ever-elusive VC
Peter Metcalfe - AltLd - 26/Jan/10 with John Wheeler, Foggy

Hidden - Solo O/S - 23/Jan/10

Hidden - Solo O/S - 23/Jan/10

petegunn - Solo - 21/Jan/10

Deako - AltLd O/S - 05/Jan/10 with Richard Pyne

Led the final snow slope but that dosent really count.
petellis - 2nd - 01/Jan/10 with Ally

Hidden - 01/Jan/10

Hidden - Lead - Jan/10

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - 2010

My best day out in the Lakes - conditions were awesome
Sylvi - 2nd - 13/Feb/09 with Peter

petegunn - Lead - 08/Feb/09 with Steve Impey

stimpey - 2nd - 08/Feb/09 with Pete

Clearly, by reading the other user comments, we have gone wrong somwhere. The last corner pitch, although well used had very little ice, wasn't banked up and had bugger all gear after the first 2m. This felt like hard IV/V (not that i've done many!) but was way way harder than any other III i've done. Start 20m left of No. 2 Gully.1st pitch, ice ledges to a ledge under an ice column, 15m. 2 pitch, go up easy snow groove to large stance below a wall, 50m. 3rd pitch, traverse right under wall then up easy groove to below steep corner (crux) with sloping ledge on LH halfway up, stance above, 30m. 4th pitch, easy snow slope to finish. Does this sound like anything anyone else has done?
Zoomer - AltLd - 07/Feb/09 with Danny Mc Andrew

Great route in great condition. Started late and topped out at 5pm.
Jon Wickham - Lead O/S - 07/Feb/09 with Rich Tones

DannyMac - AltLd - 07/Feb/09 with glenn bloomer

fun and games, great ice, must remember to take the gear when running out 60m looking for a belay! Don't thnk we did the correct start but it was excellent.
lithos - Lead - 04/Feb/09

Some confusion over exact line!
KeithW - AltLd O/S - 04/Feb/09 with Guido

first proper winter climb!!!!woo hoo
pebbles - 2nd - 04/Feb/09 with rob

Hidden - AltLd - 04/Feb/09

Mark A Humphries - Solo O/S - 03/Feb/09

Hidden - Feb/09

Hidden - AltLd - 31/Jan/09

Lee Sheard - Solo - 2009

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/Dec/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 06/Dec/08

vincentvega - Lead - Dec/08 with mike smith

Hidden - Solo - Dec/08

m1ke_smith - 2nd - Dec/08 with Allan Robb

Hidden - Lead - Dec/08

Great route, went right, around a large boulder (at top of gully, about 50m from top) and climbed short frozen waterfall.
tommytuffa - AltLd O/S - 26/Mar/08 with luketheape

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/08

Hidden - AltLd - 24/Mar/08

Hidden - Lead - 23/Mar/08

Great conditions, plenty of well packed snow and hard ice. Very enjoyable, will try to lead a pitch or two on next visit.
blackpoolrock - 2nd O/S - 12/Jan/08 with with Ash

Somerset swede basher - AltLd O/S - 12/Jan/08 with Jim Keeley

I led first 2 guidebook pitches in one. Nice steep ice leading to the first ledge, the next corner was fun too. The V Corner pitch was banked out with big bucket steps, so we moved on to the Extension instead for added interest.
Simon Caldwell - AltLd O/S - 12/Jan/08 with Carmen and Will

Greatly improved conditions from the last time I did it. More ice and plenty more snow meant it was banked out and most of the hard moves were covered over.
Will Smith - 2nd rpt - 12/Jan/08 with Simon and Carmen

soloed 1st and last pitches.
frecro - AltLd - 09/Jan/08 with Malcolm H-S and Pete

jscoles - AltLd - 05/Jan/08 with Jon Mason

Pete Graham - AltLd - Jan/08 with Malcolm and Freddy

Sean Kelly - 2008

Led pitches 1 and 3. Pitch 1 was all on ice giving some nice moves. Pitch 2 had a couple of harder mixed moves up a lean corner. 3rd and 4th pitches were really just snow plodding with variable quality of snow. Overall a great route and nice to get something done in the lakes in early december.
Will Smith - AltLd O/S - 11/Dec/07 with Ash

swmackey - Lead - Dec/07 with simon hills

joe larner - Lead O/S - Jan/07

chrishedgehog - AltLd O/S - 21/Mar/06 with Dan Bailey

Russell Lovett - AltLd - 05/Mar/06 with tony lickes

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/06

Hidden - AltLd - Mar/06

Martin Haworth - Lead O/S - Mar/06 with val p

danm - AltLd - 02/Jan/06 with Dan Robinson

John Kettle - AltLd - 2006

net - 2nd - Mar/05 with Jim H & Nice Andy

Hammy - AltLd - 04/Feb/04 with Ian Barker

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2004

crowberry gully - AltLd - 05/Jan/03 with Ross McGibbon

Hidden - AltLd - Dec/02

Hidden - 2002

crowberry gully - AltLd - 14/Jan/01 with Ross McGibbon

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jan/01

Jim Haydock - AltLd - Dec/99 with Pete and Graham

Hidden - Jul/99

Hidden - AltLd - 09/Jan/77

Hidden - 1976

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