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Never as Good as the First Time** E3 5c

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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 101 logbooks, and on 7 wishlists.

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/14

Bomber nut at the flake makes it e2
duncandarnell - Lead rpt - 08/Jul/14

very good slab climbing easier than is it a crime
Dale - Lead O/S - Jul/14

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/14

Rachel Slater - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/14 with Tim Newton

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/14

oliverpcain - Lead - 2014

Si - 2014

Marti999 - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/13 with Debbie

Hidden - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/13

hard
Ginger McGrath - 2nd O/S - 21/Aug/13 with rob, pete abernethy

angus - Lead O/S - 18/Aug/13 with Philbert

angus - Lead O/S - 18/Aug/13 with Philbert

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Aug/13

Fell off the first time as I didn't read the guidebook and went the wrong way into a blank section of rock. Oh dear!
Dan724 - Lead RP - 30/May/13 with Ben Ryle

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/May/13

wolf.leeb - Lead O/S - 25/May/13 with Alexis

tim newton - Lead O/S - 20/May/13 with brad reed, stuart lade

Nick Biven - 2013

Matt Harle - Lead O/S - 05/Aug/12

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/Aug/12

a13x - 2nd O/S - 04/Aug/12 with Catherine Peake

Hidden - Lead - 21/Jul/12

BenRyle - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/12

dan ely - 2nd O/S - 27/Jun/12 with ben lil

A bit scary for E2
Pippa - Lead O/S - 05/May/12 with Jamie Thornley

mountain_jay - 2nd - 05/May/12 with Pippa Froggatt

bold, bold, bold but the hardest move is protected by a bolt. i didn't clip the second bolt - doh!
givemetea - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/12 with Vince

In an exposed and intimidating position! Found this very bold and run out! Techy and balancey all the way up.
brew_guru - Lead β - 19/Apr/12 with Mike Goldthorp

E2 5c
willoates - Lead O/S - 08/Mar/12 with John Oooooore, Blaire

Hidden - 2012

ksjs - 03/Jul/11 with goosebump

Ed morris - Lead O/S - 26/Jun/11 with stefan

Hidden - Lead O/S - 24/Apr/11

Luke Brooks - Lead O/S - 07/Mar/11 with Barni

barni - 2nd rpt - 07/Mar/11 with luke

nadeem - Lead O/S - 06/Mar/11

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

PAJames - 2011

centurion05 - 2011

mwatson - 2011

lead on alasdair's qdraws.. a tricky route, the climbing never eases off enough to relax.. high anxiety most of the way up..
rustaldo - Lead β - 21/Oct/10 with Alasadair

i soiled myself
Liam FLeming - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/10 with barni

barni - Lead rpt - 04/Oct/10 with Liam fleming

smallerrich - Lead O/S - 02/Jul/10 with Owen

did the direct finish after the 2nd bolt rarther than the crack heading right. was really good climbing!
samrad - Lead O/S - 10/Jun/10 with james G

Another good climb. Really nice to finish direct through Sweetest Taboo but I opted for the normal finish.
farmus21 - Lead - 10/Jun/10 with Sam Radcliffe

Hidden - TR O/S - 02/May/10

alasdair19 - 2010

barni - Lead O/S - 16/Jul/09 with Oli

Lloyders - Lead O/S - Oct/08

recommended
ksjs - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/08 with jo

Sgt. Vest - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/08 with Rich bennet

Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/May/08

Matt Vigg - 2008

Toby Dunn - Lead O/S - 27/Apr/07 with Ruth

Hidden - Lead - 27/Apr/07

tumbling wizard - Lead - Apr/07

barni - Lead - 2007 with Paul James

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 26/Jul/06

Ram MkiV - Lead O/S - 26/Jul/06 with Alex Mason

Brown - Lead O/S - 16/Apr/06 with Ralph

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Ian McNeill - 2006

Dringo - 2006

Rob Greenwood - UKC - 2005

Hidden - 2002

Hidden - Lead - 20/Sep/97

Hidden - Lead - Jul/97

Ched - Lead O/S - 1997 with Glanfor

Gambit - Lead O/S - 25/May/95 with Rob, Barney

Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/Nov/94

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Jul/94

steve taylor - 1994

ste_d - Lead O/S - 10/Oct/93 with mik

Campbell42 - 2nd - 05/Jul/92 with Barry Roberts, Chris Wilson

Campbell42 - 2nd - 05/Jul/92 with Barry Roberts, Chris Wilson

Sean Kelly - Jun/92 with Andy roberts

whispering nic - Lead - 21/Oct/90 with noj

Hidden - Lead - 13/May/90

Paul Figg - Lead - Apr/90

chrisdavies - Lead O/S - 1990

Hidden - Lead O/S - 1990

Hidden - Lead O/S - Sep/89

phardman - Lead O/S - 25/Jun/89

Hidden - AltLd - 14/May/89

Hidden - 2nd dog - 14/May/89

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - 1989 with Bill Williamson

NickHarms - 1989

goi.ashmore - Lead O/S - 14/Jun/88 with Dave Forster

Hidden - Lead - 07/Apr/88

Hidden - Lead - 05/Aug/87

Hidden - Lead - 28/May/87

sadams - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/87 with Guy Townsend

Hidden - 2nd - 1986

Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
Owen W-G, MikeStuart26, Hidden, Kevin Robert Jones, Hidden, Hidden, Hidden

Voting
Total votes cast 64
hard E40 of 21
E40 of 21
easy E40 of 21
hard E30 of 21
E36 of 21
easy E34 of 21
hard E29 of 21
E22 of 21
easy E20 of 21
hard 6a0 of 22
6a0 of 22
easy 6a0 of 22
hard 5c0 of 22
5c18 of 22
easy 5c4 of 22
hard 5b0 of 22
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easy 5b0 of 22
3 Stars0 of 21
2 Stars9 of 21
1 Star11 of 21
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Style of ascent

Lead63 of 101 (62.4%)
Followed12 of 101 (11.9%)
Toproped1 of 101 (1.0%)
Alt Leads1 of 101 (1.0%)
Unknown24 of 101 (23.8%)

'Climbed'45 of 101 (44.6%)
clean O/S49 of 101 (48.5%)
clean β2 of 101 (2.0%)
clean rpt3 of 101 (3.0%)
clean RP1 of 101 (1.0%)
dogged1 of 101 (1.0%)