/ Climb Like a Girl - Part 1

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UKC News - on 07 Apr 2005
"A beautifully packaged reproductive equipment with no external parts", or the perfect form for a rock climber?

These questions and others are asked by Mick Ryan in the first of his four part article which takes an indepth look at women's climbing, using the USA as an example but exploring universal themes.

Read part 1 now - http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=107

UKC Articles - http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/
curlymynci - on 08 Apr 2005
In reply to UKC News:

Hurrah - nice one Mick. :o)

Curly
Psychopathic_Barbie - on 08 Apr 2005
In reply to UKC News:
Good article mick.

great quote!

"As Don Whillans is reported to have once said, “Never noticed a female monkey not climbing as well as a male, have you?”
rachel - on 08 Apr 2005
In reply to Psychopathic_Barbie:

I liked that one too!
Marc C - on 08 Apr 2005
In reply to UKC News: Good read, as usual. Maybe one day I'll be able to justify the praise : "Marc, you're climbing like a girl! :)
Orange_Sunshine on 10 Apr 2005 - 210.18.180.228 [210.18.180.228]
In reply to UKC News: Great stuff to read. Me all the way from the south part of india where climbing for girls is very new, i have been doing it for a few months now..and is inspirational to read about women into climbing..
In reply to UKC News:
Just one point-
Don't necessarily agree that women have shorter legs than men in proportion to their height. I think it's the exact opposite- my 5'4" girlfriend has inside leg length at least 3-4" more than me?
It's refreshing to watch women climb as it appears to me they rely far more on technique and balance than men. Ok that was 2 points.
MikeTS - on 11 Apr 2005
In reply to UKC News:
In Victoria Oz there's a famously hard roof crack line called Passport to Insanity. The FFA was by a woman. 2 of the next 3 FFAs were also by women.
It won't be long before the world's best climber will be a 12 yo bulgarian girl trained in gymnastics.
Psychopathic_Barbie - on 11 Apr 2005
In reply to I am the God of Stratheyre:
> > Just one point-
> Don't necessarily agree that women have shorter legs than men in proportion to their height. ...
> It's refreshing to watch women climb as it appears to me they rely far more on technique and balance than men. Ok that was 2 points.

And its noticeable how many really top class climbers are quite small and wiry rather than lanky... three, three points!

Beck-H on 11 Apr 2005 - host81-158-106-145.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
In reply to UKC News:

As a female climber I'm glad that these articals are being written I'm only 17 and have climbed for aslong as I can remember and although alot of the stuff I do is indoors it's all I have access to at the moment. Although attitudes are changing I've found that some guys aren't happy and it really puts there noses out of joint when I climb an E3 route on my first attempt :)
cornish dave on 12 Apr 2005 - tide131.microsoft.com
In reply to UKC News:
I have just moved back to Blighty from 15 years in the colonies (US).
Here is my point. When I left the UK in 1989 the harder routes were often poorly protected, few bolts few pegs. I have found that the fillies dont like to get killed very much as part of their weekend sport. I met some lovely continental ladies who were superb climbers but did not like to lead here because it was so darned dangerous. In those days if you put a bolt or peg anywhere some idiot in tights would come a remove it.
In fact in my kingdom of cornwall this is still true - except for the tights.

So thats why we dont get as many good girl climbers in the UK (or didnt). Its also why the sport has taken a turn towards boldering, buts another rant.
Norrie Muir - on 12 Apr 2005
In reply to cornish dave:
In those days if you put a bolt or peg anywhere some idiot in tights would come a remove it.
> In fact in my kingdom of cornwall this is still true - except for the tights.

Dear dave

Even though I am not a female, do you think I could improve my grades, if I wore tights?

Norrie
"Go to some climbing websites and behind a veil of anonymity on the very public internet you will witness long threads containing images of 'Hot Babes Who Climb' where women are rated on a scale of 1 to 10 and labeled as hot or not, minger or babe, as regards whether the expression of their genes conforms to a notion of beauty perpetrated by society. The mob mentality is always cruel and heartless.”

In this second part of Climb Like A Girl, Mick Ryan takes a look at the womens rights movement of the Sixties and its effect on climbing. He introduces Bev Johnson one of Lynn Hill’s role models, takes a look at the modern climbing feminist Tori Allen and discusses grade-ism and how some male climbers feel threatened by women climbers.

Read part 2 now - http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=110
Anonymous on 13 Apr 2005 - no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk
In reply to Alan James - UKC:

Call me a New Man if you will, but I think all this stuff about men being threatened by women climbers is just female fantasy stuff. No man I've ever known or even watched is the slightest bit threatened by women, 10 year old children, persioners or anyone else climbing harder than them. It's not like most of us haven't had ample opportunity to get used to the idea that some people are better at climbing than we are. The more women who climb as hard as possible the better, is the view of the entire male climbing population, in my experience. It's not hard to see why they might take that view, after all.

I realise this is dull, would not make much of an article, and would disappoint women who like to imagine that they are doing something they're not, but I'm afraid it's the truth.

Anyone on here ever felt threatened by women climbers?

No. You see? I'm right.

jcm
Chris Fryer - on 13 Apr 2005
"I’ve never been one to obsess about how hard a guidebook writer thinks a problem is"

Did Mick Ryan honestly write this????
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DaveC at Work on 13 Apr 2005 - 81-86-10-101.dsl.pipex.com
In reply to Anonymous:

I disagree John.
I saw a lot of the attitude talked about in this article when Louise Shepherd was setting high standards for on-sight climbing back in the 80s in Australia. The local climbing mags never gave her the credit she deserved and there always seemed to be suggestions that routes were 'easy at the grade' or they should be down-graded.

A little example I heard about in this country was at the Cromlech when Louise flashed Lord of the Flies in 1985 and the locals got Graeme Livingston to second it in trainers. Sounds like a rather cheap attempt to demean Lou's achievement to me anyway (although I'm sure the people there will insist it was all done in good humour and Lou certainly didn't make any issue out of it, she always let her climbing speak for itself.)

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