/ Andy Nisbet: Grangemouth Town Hall
Haven't anymore info than that...
Oh aye 18:30 to 20:30........
would like to see this : what's your source ?
Advert and poster for it on out works intrasite. the talk has been arranged by Falkirk Council.
Yep, saw a slide show of his last winter which was excellent. It'll be well worth going to.
I can get you there from glasgow but you'll have to find your own way back.
Pick us up a ticket if you can. I fancy it too.
PS will phone you r.e the morra later. Should be a goer.
Train to Falkirk Grahamston, 5 mins walk to bus station. Most buses to G/mouth, Bo'ness or Edinburgh will stop outside or a couple of mins walk from the town hall. Retrace route and stop off in Behind the Wall close to the train station (anybody in Falkirk can tell you where it is!!). Go upstairs for ales and malt. Downstairs for shite music and fanny (though there will probably not be too much about on a Tuesday....
Worth noting that the Grahamston train stops everywhere and takes ages. The train to High is much quicker, I can't see Eddie getting a bus anyway.
It is important to get on the Glasgow train on the way back, I once ended up on the last train to Perth after a binge in Falkirk.
Sounds like the best thing ever to happen in Grangemouth, shame Andy couldn't have done the talk some time during the three years I worked in that dump.
Eddie I'll give you a lift if you want. I'm back to work the next day so I'll be aff the bevvy. Gies a phone.
> Eddie I'll give you a lift if you want. I'm back to work the next day so I'll be aff the bevvy. Gies a phone.
He will need someone to carry his bevvie, so you may need me as well.
Yer talkin' pish....The Bunnymen played in 1980.
Granted the train to the High is quicker, but it's a feckin trek from anywhere.
where do you get tickets ?
How do I get tickets, I'd be interested to go too, especially as is not far from where I work now.
Doesn't mention tickets, might just be pay at the door. The Town Hall is quite big.
Plenty of fannies play for Falkirk, I'll have you know.
This is true
Falkirk’s pole dancers are all ex shipyard workers from Gdansk.
Thanks for the e-mail Andy. Will be there. could probably sort lift back to falkirk/stirling train stations for weegies if not on piss myself.
Jen and myself can hopefully make it along too.
behind the wall, is that not a burds boozer wi alchopops alround?
Not certain at all, best email yon bloke from the cooncil
Looks like we got ourselves a picnic....ahem....I'll fetch me cagoule
Great! We can get Yer Maw to give Erik and Norrie some advice on how to go winter climbing... once he's finished buying everyone drinks.
Of course you can.
Suprised I haven't seen you trying to blag a free trip to the gig on "Lifts and Partners " forum yet..
besides you stirling tory lot have loads of cash to throw around I can't keep up.
Phoned up Outdoor Ed. at Falkirk Cooncil, who confirmed it's pay on the door.
Perhaps we could organise a whip round for Yer Maw's ticket?
Is anyone driving from Embra? If so could I get a lift?
Could be tempted if I can get the day off...and if I can figure out where Grangemouth is.
hmm, sounds good
unfortunatly I have to go up to Huntly tomorrow, would not be back in time
Huntly, you're bloody lucky. I've got to go to Crawley - fekin Chav Central. Can someone tape it for me?
Anyone happen to be driving to this from Glasgow? If so, is there any chance I could get a lift please?
> Huntly, you're bloody lucky.
Naw he isnae.
Martin, for god's sake steer clear of the pubs, or there a more than even chance you'll get a kicking.
"Huntly - The Family Town"
or as my mate from Insch says
"Huntly - The Family Town (and if your family isn't from Huntly you can Fvck Off)."
will avoid the pubs - just going up and back for the day
will be spending some time up there in the near future though, thinking of crashing at friends in Elgin though
will bear that in mind when I do go out in Huntly though
Thanks Yer but that's a bit early for me.
I think Polmont is the nearest station to the Town Hall. I'm going to take my bike on the train and cycle from there.
Are folk still heading to the "behind the wall" boozerama for an apres show nigh cap?
To anyone who is going:
Could you do me a huge favour and ask him if has any slides of a route called Artemis (He might know it as Flirtation) on The Ben? If so, I'd love to see (get copies!!) of them. Let him know I'm interested and who knows maybe he'll get in touch.
Alternatively does anyone know how to get in touch with him?
email him !: address on SMC site for reporting new routes.
Thanks for that. Bit obvious really.
Argh, there seem to be 2 postcodes for Grangemouth Town Hall. The one from the Falkirk Online link is on the same street I linked to on the map above, but a bit further East.
Ok, who went to the talk, and what did people think about it?
It was good. I like to hear the history of how folk actually do new routes. Maybe he could have concentrated on a handful and went into depth about them, but it was good.
I thought the laser show was a bit over the top and quadrophonic sound sytsem a bit mushy.
Apart from that I thought it enlightening rather than inspiring. It was great to be able to look down the crux pitch of Dagger on the first ascent and see the corner filled with lovely plastic ice and I was also surprised to see Colin McClean climbing Unicorn in such thin conditions. I'd always thought that you'd want to have the corner nicely banked out with neve (as I think it will be on occasions every winter) rather than tackle it as an icy rock climb. I almost asked Andy what was the hardest pitch on that route but thought it conceiveable that I may still climb it so I didn't bother. The show also only scratched the surface of what he's done but that's Andy.
I thought some of Andy's story's were great too but having been out on the hill with him a few times I've heard some better ones.
He could do with a better slide projector and one of those laser light sabre things.
By the way, I meant to say hello but you disappeared before I could do so.
I thought it was a good set of slides and an interesting story to go with them, worth the trip and the entry fee.
The projector was crap, but I think from the fussing around at the start that something had gone a bit wrong with that.
Furthermore, I was astounded when the despicable Fifer bought a round in the pub afterwards (£15.15, no less) - just goes to show the powerful effects the Grangemouth fumes can have.
Aye thought it was good, quite depressing to see slides of the cracking winters of the past and i wonder if we will ever see the likes again. (the slide of Oui Oui was a prime example)
Also reminded me that i should probably get my arse up to the northwest more often - i havn't been past inverness for donkeys.
I think he tailored it to a suit a general mountaineering audience. I would have preferred more interesting stuff, as he has climbed in out of the way places. There were only 3 venues in the NW.
The illustration of the contrast in conditions of the same climb was unusual. Not many people have photos of the same climb in different conditions.
The audience was lucky that Andy had not ask for comments/questions during his talk. We would have still been there at midnight or Andy would have had a red face to match his hair.
Yes, young Colin did pick up bad habits climbing with Aberdonians.
The Amateur Night feeling to the talk had its moments, it brought back memories of slide shows in our homes 30 years ago.
See if you can get Andy to do a comprehensive Powerpoint/talk in the near future, then we can meet up.
I enjoyed the "old school" slideshow. Not sure how helpful the demonstration of torquing with the narrow guage pooltable triangle was, though!
Also interesting trying to work out which of the inhabitants of this forum were which.
(Can confirm the unlikely fact that Yer Maw bought a round- in The Tavern across the road)
for members of the audience that have never torqued an axe in there puff i thought it got the point accross very effectivly.
> Also interesting trying to work out which of the inhabitants of this forum were which.
I asked Andy two questions at the end, you would have recognised me, by my polite questioning.
Including the top pillar ?
I had guessed who you were, even before your polite questions. I was with the Ochils group who arrived late and got seats right at the front.
I thought Geordie Sketon would have been there, as I was hoping someone even older than me would be there. Mind you, I did feel old, listening to Andy talk about how he started front pointing. He must have been in shorts and still at school, when we were frontpointing with leashless tools.
I just realised I didnae phone Geordie about it. I could be in bother...
I liked the show and was glad to see how steep some of these harder climbs were. it was also good to see that conditions weren't always good and the ascents of unicorn and one on beinn eighe even had to be justified by the great man himself, though they were clearly verglassed.
I forgot to ask about the affect new/ modern kit has had on climbs and whether he thought the same grades hsould be applied or a change should be made? alas it's easy to debate that on here.
unfortunately I was also mugged by the stirling tories and made to buy them a drink before entering their flash motors.
the only people I sussed out from here were Norrie who waqs busy in conversation, as I was being manhandled to the pub and someone I already knew Mr Andy Clark.
Since I used old tools well before Andy started climbing, I think he would agree with me that modern tools were/are far superior to the old tools. Torquing with modern tools allowed ascents of cracks without ice, before the cracks had to be iced up, now it is harder to climb iced cracks.
Now, winter climbing with basically a rock rack is standard on non ice routes, I was doing this 35 years ago
Climbing ice routes, using modern ice screws for protection only allows people to push their grade, it does not make then climb better.
As for grades, with the advancement of equipment, the grades have risen. I think the grades of the old climbs should either be downgraded or stay as they were recorded.
Were you talking to Andy at the end?
I was sitting with Norrie, Burnsie and him in one row. I was wearing a stripy jumper.
I wasn't sure if it was you or not, and having seen you were a good head taller than me I ducked out in case you decided to discuss any cheek I have given you on various sites 'outside'.
I think Norrie wanted to get some 'fresh air' anyway.
Shame you all dashed off. I was wanting to say hello.
I take it nobody went to the Behind the Wall place? Myself and Andy McPherson went back to Embra for bevvy after an entertaining cycle tour of Grangemouth and Falkirk.
I was wearing the red jacket and dark blue shirt and sitting at the front in the second half.
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