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Krabs v biners

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 Trangia 15 Oct 2006
When did "biners" start creeping in? For years they were known as "krabs". Who says which?
 Andy Manthorpe 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia: About the same time that trousers became pants !
task-o 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

Seeing as they both derive from the same word I wouldn't worry too much. Apparently, the reason that there's no english word for karabiner (german) is that when they were first invented, the British Alpine Club considered them to be "unmanly" and discouraged their use.
OP Trangia 15 Oct 2006
In reply to task-o:

Same category as those bloody rubber soles I presume, old man?
task-o 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

Absolutely! Go back to hob-nailed boots I say!
In reply to Trangia:

'biners is an Americanism.

In reply to Trangia:

I use 'biner because I'm childish and smutty and can't say krab without smirking.... giggle giggle - see!

Another one for you...

Krab or Crab?
Fishtrumpet 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:
> When did "biners" start creeping in?

Around the same time that people started "sending" routes, "pulling down", "spraying", "Rapping" and cranking "V grades"?

Fishtrumpet 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:
Can I add wearing beenie hats, using bouldering mats and wearing baggy combats to that list? circa 1994
OP Trangia 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

And what do you people call them?

I say krab.
 Caralynh 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

krab, definitely.
 Kate 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia: Krab.
OP Trangia 15 Oct 2006
In reply to brt:
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> Another one for you...
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> Krab or Crab?

It's got to be krab because karabiner starts with a k



OP Trangia 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

Snap link sounds horribly English and has never caught on.

Don't the French call them mousquetons?
In reply to Trangia:

... or does it?

wikipedia Carabiner


oh the confusion!
 Messners Yeti 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:
Krabs all the way. Crabs are found elsewhere
Phylis 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia: Krabs for me !!!! but over here everyone calls 'em Biners...
 Dominion 15 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

> It's got to be krab because karabiner starts with a k


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=carabiner&x=0&y=0

a D-shaped ring with a spring catch on one side, used for fastening ropes in mountaineering.
Also, karabiner.

[Origin: 1915–20; < Austrian G Karabiner, shortening of G Karabinerhaken carbine hook, equiv. to Karabiner (< F carabine carbine + G -er -er1) + Haken hook; it was originally used to fasten carbines to bandoleers]

So, both Carabiner and Karabiner are correct(ish), I'd say...
Jonah 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia: Krab.

And, preserving my reputation as an egotistical, patronising and condescending arse*, I reserve the right to sneer contemptuously at anyone I hear using the word 'biner' to describe a Krab.

* My wife told me.
brothersoulshine 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

I like "crabinator" best, from an OTE cartoon a few years ago.
 stevefromstoke 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia: Krab everytime
Nao 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:
Krab - don't think I've ever said 'biner. Although I probably say 'karabiner' most of the time!
 Dave Wearing 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

Surely in this day and age we have to follow the Americans on this one?
 GrahamD 16 Oct 2006
In reply to dave wearing:
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> Surely in this day and age we have to follow the Americans on this one?


No way dude ! all the top climbers are European. Everyone knows that.
 davidwright 16 Oct 2006
In reply to brt:
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> wikipedia Carabiner
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> oh the confusion!

Thats just wrong, go back and change it
 Dave Wearing 16 Oct 2006
In reply to GrahamD:

Wasn't climbing invented in Yosemite in 1976?
 rallymania 16 Oct 2006
In reply to GrahamD:
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> No way dude ! all the top climbers are European. Everyone knows that.

lol, um isn't "dude" an americanism???

 sebf 16 Oct 2006
Having come into climbing very recently, I heard both krab and 'biner, and preferred 'biner.

Of course that was my unprejudiced choice (not knowing one was American). Now I know that everyone'll sneer at me if I call it a biner I'll probably go with krab. How sad.
Jonah 16 Oct 2006
In reply to sebf: I'm sneering already.

Nothing personal, you understand...
O Mighty Tim 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Jonah: Why not?

8^)
 IainWhitehouse 16 Oct 2006
In reply to brt:
> (In reply to Trangia)

> wikipedia Carabiner

I think Wikipedia is largely written by our 'special friends' across the pond. We shouldn't sneer at them because they can't spell.
Jonah 16 Oct 2006
In reply to O Mighty Tim: Coz 'e sez 'e didn't know it was an emerikanism 'fore 'e started usin' eet.





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And you never know, one day in the future I might be climbing with a new partner, and whilst I'm dangling on the crux of something nasty, I confess to having posted on UKCLimbing as 'Jonah'. At which point he says that was Sebf and whips out a knife and cuts me loose - to sail through the firmament to a gristly doom.

And I'd rather avoid that.
 JamieAyres 16 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

Snap-link.





Just kidding - I'm a Krab man.
 mobeirn 17 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:
In Ireland if we don't know the name of something we call it a yoke, thus Screwgate yoke, wiregate yolk, HMS yoke etc.
Problem solved...
 GrahamD 17 Oct 2006
In reply to Trangia:

My mate's wife had a mental block when she went to buy him some new wiregates for his birthday. Ended up asking for "those clippy things".
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