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Obscure tying in knots

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 MttSnr 16 Jan 2007
Obviously we all know the figure of eight, and lots of people can do a bowline. Plus there's the 3/4 fishermans.

Anyone know any other more obscure tying in knots?

 Kid Spatula 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr:

The granny knot? Probably obscure for a reason mind..............
 CurlyStevo 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr:
Theres a few variants of the bowline.

The yosemetie bowline is one and the edwards bowline another
OP MttSnr 16 Jan 2007
In reply to CurlyStevo:
Just found the yosemite bowline on wikipedia - i'll be learning that one.

Cheers.
 nz Cragrat 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Kid Spatula:

I use a reverse water knot or ring bend (not sure that it has a correct name)

Tie an O/H knot

Thread through harness

Instead of following through away from your body as with a Fig 8 thread back towards you. The tail should come out on the inside (harness side). It is simple, neat and you never have other bits of tail in the road when you grab rope to clip. Also easy to untie.

I have been using this since 1990. It used to be the competition knot in Europe at one stage.
 Al Evans 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr: In vogue ages ago was the Tarbuck knot, I could never be bothered learning it, have always stuck with the Bowline, But I think Sutty can tie one.
Jake Avery 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr: climbing off a hngmans noose is a tad obscure
Removed User 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Jake Avery:

I have seen one where you tie a bowline through a clove hitch to avoid having to put a stopper on the bowline, no idea what its called

Gary
anthonyecc 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Removed User: that was shown in a copy of Climb, i forget which month. i dont think there was a name for it. It quite a good knot i think! Shall we call it something? maybe the Clove bowline!
 Mark Stevenson 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr: Figure of 9
 Schmiken 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr:

The New Zealand Death knot? You tie an overhand, thread through the bight and then do a fisherman's behind it.
hiclimber75 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Schmiken: timber hitch..Very good knot as a fixed anchor point very easy to tie/untie....1 full rap around anchor.Put tail over main line and back round raping tail back in on it's self min 5 times..Best thing about this knot you can tie this mid rope
 nz Cragrat 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Schmiken:
> (In reply to flat eric)
>
> The New Zealand Death knot? You tie an overhand, thread through the bight and then do a fisherman's behind it.

Huh?

As a Kiwi I am not sure WTF you are talking about.
OP MttSnr 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Schmiken:
I know that one as a 3/4 fishermans. Good knot.
hiclimber75 16 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr: Alpine butterfly and bunnie knot
 nz Cragrat 16 Jan 2007
In reply to nz Cragrat:

This is the one I am referring to

http://i1.tinypic.com/2z3z8ts.jpg
hiclimber75 16 Jan 2007
In reply to nz Cragrat:Nice one i like that............
 nz Cragrat 16 Jan 2007
In reply to hiclimber75:

For the sceptics it is in the AMGA manual too
Alphin 16 Jan 2007
In reply to Removed User:

Possibly what I know as a water bowline, pass the rabbit (rope end) through 2 rabit holes, shit behind the tree and go back down the holes. I still like stopper knots though!

There is the Chris Tan Death knot, and have heard of people using a barrel knot, I'm happy with a bog standard bowline with stopper, tried and tested
In reply to Al Evans:

John and I used a Tarbuck knot in 1967-68, when we first started climbing. It was absolutely superb, and made for very easy belaying i.e adjusting tension was very rapid because it was really just a very clever slipknot. It also worked well under load, i.e with a genuine bad fall (I held 4 or 5 while anchored with a Tarbuck)

Others. Mark's mentioned the superb figure of 9. The huge advantage - apart from its being about the strongest knot there is - is that it doesn't compress so easily under load and therefore is more dynamic and easier to untie. It's absolutely standard for the main knot at the top of a static line.

The Alpine Butterfly is exceptionally beautiful and very good for tying into the middle of a rope. Also the line of force lies to the side of the bight. Definitely one of the greatest of all knots (has lots of other applications, but one of it's most useful is for creating extra anchor points in a static line without seriously weakening the system, and it's quite easy to untie). But it takes some learning.
 knudeNoggin 19 Jan 2007
In reply to ... :

Here are some better bowlines than those commonly bandied about:

[url]http://i3.tinypic.com/wjwh1t.jpg [/url]

and some other knots, designed to be secure-when-slack,
yet easily untied:

[url]http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/Lehman8.jpg [/url]
[url]http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/LocktightII.jpg [/url]

That "3/4 Fisherman's or Grapevine" should be easier to untie if the end
is brought back into the initial Overhand knot from the opposite side it
exited from--and esp. if one inserts it not just through the big *hole*
in the knot but between itself and the main line, which then orients the
Overhand into a sort of baby Timber hitch.

*knudeNoggin*
 knudeNoggin 19 Jan 2007
In reply to various:

---"the reverse water knot or ring bend":
Yes, this is a good one, too.
And, with the eye *ring-loaded* (say, as a belay loop), it's a pure Ring Bend
(and not so easily untied).

---"where you tie a bowline through a Clove hitch":
Usually called the "Water Bowline".
Here's an extension to it, to increase security (and probably strength--not
that ropes/knots are breaking!): upon the end of this knot, take the end
around the leg of the eye coming from the Clove Hitch, and then go back
through the Clove so that the end now points away from you/the eye.
Essentially, you duplicate what you did initially--done at each end, i.e..
--all the less able for the end to fall out of a loose knot, and one more
diameter of material for the bowline nip to crunch around.

Do this with the COW/Girth hitch, and call it "Mirrored Bowlines"--for that's
the appearance of it. Don't know how if it's at all useful, but the *bridge*
between those loops of the Clove/Girth-Cow hitch can be pulled out a bit
to serve as a belay loop or whatever (and the functioning of the knot will
be like a Becket hitch (sheet bend to an eye).

---"Fig.9": not so easy to tie using the end. Also, consider the reverse
of this, which also looks good.
Further, this knot can be arranged into a SYMMETRIC form, and that can be
tied with an abbreviated finish (not by tracing ("re-weaving"), exactly). In
this form, it's able to be set snug against loosening, but doesn't further
tighten. (If you've access to Ashley's Book of Knots, the structure is like the
rope-joiner #1425 (though that is of interlocked Overhands--which must
be seen as abbreviated Fig.9s--the loopknot would have a full 9 in the main
line, Oh. in the end), and in single strand like the stopper #525.)

The Fig.8 also has another symmetric form from which one can discover
some bolinesque loopknots, but they're not so easily tied; a couple of these
can be tied w/o the ends pretty neatly, but using the end--as one must,
to tie in--is more fiddly. --beautiful knots, though!

*knudeNoggin*
petrophile 19 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr:

I use the Yosemite figure eight. It's very simple, keeps the tail out of the way, and easy to untie after it has been loaded. Superb knot :¬)

http://www.climerware.com/f8x.shtml
 nz Cragrat 19 Jan 2007
In reply to petrophile:

I learnt two interesting knots teh other day

The Eskimo Bowline

and the Water Bowline
petrophile 19 Jan 2007
In reply to nz Cragrat: Hows this Eskimo bowline tied?
petrophile 19 Jan 2007
In reply to petrophile:
Found it after I got off my lazy arse.

http://www.answers.com/topic/eskimo-bowline
 Ian McNeill 19 Jan 2007
In reply to MttSnr:

the hangmans noose is in vouge right now .....
 Ian McNeill 19 Jan 2007
In reply to Ian McNeill:

all diagrams are here ..
http://www.animatedknots.com/
In reply to Ian McNeill: rethreaded bowline is all i use nowadays.....or as some may call it the Euro Super knot!

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