/ PREVIEW: Climb Magazine - the July issue

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Check out what's in the July issue of Climb Magazine. Including: UK Alpine Routes, Karin Magog and Yorkshire Limestone in Stomping Grounds, You Can Climb Tufas by Steve McClure and Dave Binney, PLUS take a trip to Chair Ladder.

Enter this months competition and a special subscription rate for readers of UKClimbing.com

Read the preview here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=1109
James Jackson on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

Ha ha ha ha ha! It just gets better.
martin heywood - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear: Nice picture..
Matt Vigg - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

The reason that's the world's hardest slab is because it's a wall.
Richard Bradley - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to martin heywood: Wonderful picture!
tony on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Richard Bradley:

Perhaps everyone should e-mail Neil Pearsons commending him on his choice of cover photo.
Richard Bradley - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to tony: absolutely :-)
Mike Stretford - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear: I've got a better idea.... why don't the editor of Climb come on here and explain this recent mess. Some honest interaction with current and potential readership might do their cause a lot more good.
In reply to tony: Do you think they photoshopped out the sponsors logos? ;-)
TRNovice on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

I must resist the urge to post on this thread.
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D'oh!
The Pylon King on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:


i looked at that issue in tescos the other day but didnt buy it cause its contents was rubbish - nice cover shot though
shark - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to The Pylon King: - nice cover shot though


Where is it ? Should I know ? Rock looks too good for the UK
In reply to Simon Lee:

Madagascar - or is it Millstone's Embankment?

Chris
Bulls Crack - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to The Pylon King:
> (In reply to UKC Gear)
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> i looked at that issue in tescos the other day but didnt buy it cause its contents was rubbish

In what way - out of interest? Seemed above average to me

simon c on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

nice colour coordination of yellow.

is yellow this years red?
galpinos - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Chris Craggs:
> (In reply to Simon Lee)
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> Madagascar - or is it Millstone's Embankment?
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> Chris

Wilton 2
In reply to galpinos:
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> Wilton 2

Not with that backdrop!


Chris

;-)
martin heywood - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Chris Craggs:
It is actually the Brek in Wallasey but they photoshopped in the subtropical background.....
blueshound - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

> UKCLIMBING.COM READER SUBSCRIPTION OFFER
Subscribe online at www.climbmagazine.com
We are offering all UKClimbing.com readers the opportunity to benefit from special reduced rates when subscribing to Climb Magazine.

Money talks....
Scotti - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear: Got it, and read most of it in one 30min train journey...

More content in Climber.
Michael Ryan - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to blueshound:
> (In reply to UKC Gear)


> Money talks....

It sure does, it also pays for this website,UKClimbing.com, that you visit on a regular basis, without money there would be no UKClimbing.com.

We have many advertisers now who have committed to 12 month advertising contracts. Their money, in return for exposure to all of us that helps sell their products and services, helps us pay for this website.

Incredibly simple.

However, this does not put these companies above criticism, and praise, as multiple threads about many climbing businesses at UKC testifys. Indeed, on this very thread there is criticism and praise. Gear reviews are linked to the forums where anyone can have their say, as is the News and Articles

Transparent, honest and accountable.

And no I won't get into a discussion about the recent BMC/Climb disagreement. That is their business now.

Mick

blueshound - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:

Cheers Mick.
Just the timing of this thread I was commenting on, I guess folks can read between the lines.
Michael Ryan - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to blueshound:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com)
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> Cheers Mick.
> Just the timing of this thread I was commenting on, I guess folks can read between the lines.

Each month we publish a PREVIEW of the latest issue of CLIMB magazine. They pay for it, along with the CLIMB banners you see flashing. It is part of a 12 month advertising contract.

boswelox on 19 Jun 2008 - 10.143.2.36 [213.52.212.129]
In reply to UKC Gear:

Yep, nice cover shot.
blueshound - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
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> It is part of a 12 month advertising contract.

Lol! Is it written in the contract that you have to capitalise the word CLIMB every time CLIMB is used in the context of the magazine title CLIMB, and not just in reference to going out for a climb?

Swirly - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: So the UKC "news" is actually advertorial?
Michael Ryan - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to blueshound:

I'm good at what I do!!!!
blueshound - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> (In reply to blueshound)
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> I'm good at what I do!!!!

You sure are Mick!
SCC - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

Any other subscribers missing this months issue?

Mines not turned up yet...

Michael Ryan - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Swirly:
> (In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com) So the UKC "news" is actually advertorial?

No:

Take a look: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/

We do mention often a climbers sponsors as this helps the climber, their company and also UKClimbing.com's ownership and readers.

We try as far as possible to seperate Editorial and Adverts, there is some cross-over now and again that does nudge into advertorial.

An example is here: the left column are company announcements, the right Gear reviews: http://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/

You want an advertorial site? Go here: http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/

Getting the balance right so that you don't turn off readers but at the same time keep your advertisers happy also (they fund the site) is an incredibly difficult job. We are very good at it.

IainWhitehouse - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com:
> (In reply to Swirly)
> Getting the balance right so that you don't turn off readers but at the same time keep your advertisers happy also (they fund the site) is an incredibly difficult job. We are very good at it.

I'd say just good. If you were very good you'd also have found a way to suggest that readers buy their copies of CLIMB mag in a proper local specialist climbing shop ;-)
Aiden Wright on 19 Jun 2008 - host81-158-13-147.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
In reply to UKC Gear: well, after the recent nonsense from Climb magazine after they didn't like it when someone exoressed a personal opinion, my magazine buying partner decided not to buy the thing this month and gave Climber a try instead.

the front cover shot used by Climb was only considered good enough for a contents shot at Climber, which is about right. i am bored to death of seeing megastars posing on a hard route next to a bolt, which is hidden by their body position, as it is here. abit of imagination would be nice, but i remember from those threads that it is the shops that dictate what is on the front cover, not the readership. i've seen people clip sticking up to a bolt, getting their pics taken and then lowering off. its dishonest. anyway, what relevance is the route to anyone who reads Climb? a 10 pitch 8c+ in madagascar? oh aye, i'll be there next year.

my opinion of Climb has dropped into the gutter and it will stay there. how long we stick with Climber remains to be seen, butit looks oretty good so far. PS i am not connected to Climber magazine or Bernard Newmand in any way.
Duncan Campbell - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear: this preview thing is a bit pointless because it comes out after the magazine has come out!!
gingerkate - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:
I think the cover is stunning, but where it says 'Karin Magog chooses her favourite routes from the dales' I think it'd work better if it said 'with grades ranging from ??? to ???' ... assuming she's included some routes of 7a or below, say. Because surely half the power of an article like that is to inspire people to get out and try those routes, and if they think they'll all be impossible ones, they won't be so interested.
Adam Long - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to dunkymonkey17:

I believe the cover photos and brightly coloured straplines are dictated by the publishers more than anyone else, to 'compete' when on the shelves.

Interesting that the surfing magazines all seem to manage beautiful clean covers with great photos, few straplines and lots of space. Is the climbing demographic so different that this wouldn't be successful?
TRNovice on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:
> PS i am not connected to Climber magazine or Bernard Newmand in any way.

Isn't Kate Burke the editor now?

Tom Briggs - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Adam L:

Ian Parnell's photos from Nesscliffe look brilliant on his blog. The top one would be superb as an understated 'Mountain-esque' cover shot:

http://ianparnellphotography.blogspot.com/
Adam Long - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Tom Briggs:

Your're not wrong there Tom. Superb.
IainWhitehouse - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:
> (In reply to UKC Gear) but i remember from those threads that it is the shops that dictate what is on the front cover, not the readership.

The shops don't get to dictate anything to a magazine.

Iain
jonnie - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:
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> i am bored to death of seeing megastars posing on a hard route next to a bolt, which is hidden by their body position, as it is here. abit of imagination would be nice, but i remember from those threads that it is the shops that dictate what is on the front cover, not the readership. i've seen people clip sticking up to a bolt, getting their pics taken and then lowering off. its dishonest. anyway, what relevance is the route to anyone who reads Climb? a 10 pitch 8c+ in madagascar? oh aye, i'll be there next year.
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Whilst your point was probably more general - in the case of this cover I don't think anyone would call Caff a dishonest climber!! He is an incredible talent, yet very modest and a top bloke.
jethro kiernan - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to jonnie: I have to agree Caff is an extremly modest guy and isnt the sort to go possing on routes.
In reply to Aiden Wright:

> anyway, what relevance is the route to anyone who reads Climb? a 10 pitch 8c+ in madagascar? oh aye, i'll be there next year.

Sorry - but that is such an unbelievably dumb attitude. What do you want - every month the picture to be a Stanage HS or a Welsh Vdiff to reflect the great British climbing public?

I'm never going to race in the tour de France, but I don't expect to see slightly out of shape 34 yrs olds wheezing slowly up hill thinking "I wish I had more gears" on the front of cycling magazines just because that would be like me.
Luca Signorelli - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

Stop complaining about the the rest of the magazine, you must go straight at Mountain Info, then download the rest of the article at

http://www.climbmagazine.com/mountain-articles.aspx

:)

Mountain Info continues to be (in my humble opinion) one of the best thing British mountain journalism has ever produced....
TRip - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

Rumour has it that, Neil Pearsons is talking to Martin Koscis in the August My Life feature.
AlisonS - on 19 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear:

I actually do think that photo is quite well composed. I especially like the way the words don't interfere with the picture too much, because that drives me nuts and I can see it's not an accident. I've though a bit about the yellow lettering and on balance I think it's fine. It must be quite hard to get a picture that fits in that neatly and select letter colouring that blends so well.
However that's just my view and I'd be delighted to hear alternative opinions. After all; that's how we grow and it's all part of the richness of life.
Mark Stevenson - on 20 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:
> a 10 pitch 8c+ in madagascar? oh aye, i'll be there next year.

Did you actually read the article? Are you actually interested in how and where climbing is developing at on a world stage?

I thought the article was extremely interesting and by far one of the best ones I've read outside of Alpinist or Vertical recently. Hard big wall free climbing is now escaping from El Cap and this route featured is one of the first genuinely 21st century lines and is in the process of being climbed free.

If all you want is some inspiration on routes to climb next weekend or next summer, then just go and buy a new guidebook - that's not and never has been the main thrust of climbing magazines
Duncan Campbell - on 20 Jun 2008
In reply to TobyA: ye i agree i remeber the few climb issues where they tried to make it full of low-to-mid grade routes, in my opinion it was rubbish because it was full of uninspiring climbs and the climbers themselves didnt look as psyched and focussed as when they show photos of people climbing more cutting edge routes
yes they need to show lower gfrade roues aswell but it would be rubbish if they just had low grade routes!
also the fornt covers are good! the colour schems always look reli good and the photo in my opinion is brilliant!
Lemony - on 20 Jun 2008
In reply to AlisonS: My only problem with the photo is that it takes an amazing climb in one of the most breathtaking locations around and makes it completely anonymous. Bar a bit of blurry background that slab could be in a chossy quarry in Wales somewhere for all I know.
Ian McNeill - on 20 Jun 2008
In reply to Tom Ripley:
> (In reply to UKC Gear)
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> Rumour has it that, Neil Pearsons is talking to Martin Koscis in the August My Life feature.

That will be interesting, will it ?

In reply to blueshound:
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> Subscribe online at www.climbmagazine.com
> We are offering all UKClimbing.com readers the opportunity to benefit from special reduced rates when subscribing to Climb Magazine.
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> Money talks....

I'll still save my pennies but hope they do well and receive interest from UKC visitors.
Morgan Woods - on 20 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:

i think it's a stunning cover.....who cares what country it is in?
Aiden Wright on 21 Jun 2008 - host81-149-71-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com
In reply to jonnie: Oh dear, lets be clear about this: I never called McHaffie dishonest. I called the practice of stick clipping to a bolt, then getting a picture taken to say that you've done the route dishonest. there is no doubt whatsoever about McHaffies route or his talent, but then i never said there was. the fact is that he was photographed next to a bolt, which is hidden by his body position. I stated that i was bored of this sort of photograph, which I still am. no offence to anyone intended.
Aiden Wright on 21 Jun 2008 - host81-149-71-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com
In reply to TobyA: It isn't a dumb attitude, it's my opinion. You suggest that welsh VDiffs and Stanage HSeveres do not reflect the great british climbing public when , if you go to Wales or Stanage, you will find that they do.

Whilst it is a magnificent achievement, and a superb personal investment of time and commitment, an 8c+ in madagascar has no relevance to british climbers or climbing, but it is noce to see a British climber doing it and pushing the boundaries. Well done to McHaffie!
Aiden Wright on 21 Jun 2008 - host81-149-71-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com
In reply to Mark Stevenson: I did read the very good article, but YOU obviously didn't read my post which was about the front cover photo. you say magazines are not there to inspire people. I wonder why magazines run features about great places to go climbing, interesting trip reports and stories oif adventures at home and abroad. Could it be to inspire people? not according to you it isnt.

The fact remains that you, me and anyone else either of us ever talks to will never visit the route, crag or country in the picture. We will never climb 8c+ so the picture is pretty pointless. i was pleased to see McHaffies amazing achievements in Climber too, but they use a picture on their front cover of someone on a route in the UK which a lot of climbers will do or have already done or aspire to. Thats how it should be.
Michael Ryan - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:

What about a mix of covers Aiden. Do you have back issues? Is it not a good compromise to one month have classic routes that most to do then some months celebrate some of our best climbers like James McHaffie, McClure etc?

I think you will find that both Climb and Climber do that.
jonnie - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:

I know Aiden, which is why I said your post was probably meant in general! No worries:-)).
Aiden Wright on 21 Jun 2008 - host81-149-71-2.in-addr.btopenworld.com
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: I have got quite a lot of Climbs, and it would be good if that happened. But thinking back i think that all the ones I can remember are of famous/hard climbers like Dunne, McClure. I can't remember the last Climb cover that celebrated classic routes by normal climbers, though Climber seems to be doing that, which is one of the reasons we're buying Climber now.
aln - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to UKC Gear: I liked the cover shot but no way is that a slab. I don't understand how this is a preview, I bought the thing about 3 weeks ago in my local newsagents shop.
Michael Ryan - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to aln:
> (In reply to UKC Gear) I don't understand how this is a preview, I bought the thing about 3 weeks ago in my local newsagents shop.

Yes aln, you are the only person in the whole wide world.

Some have bought it, some haven't. Be nice to get it before the mag was out. I get sent all the text and images from Climb and get it up asap. This months was a little late and so was I.

This thread also serves the purpose of highlighting Climb magazine and also gives people an opportunity to comment on Climb mag: I'm sure they appreciate the feedback.

Climb are one of our valued advertisers that fund our/your reading and viewing pleasure, that doesn't mean that they are above criticism by the way.

Mick

In reply to Aiden Wright:
> You suggest that welsh VDiffs and Stanage HSeveres do not reflect the great british climbing public when

No, I suggest the diametric opposite. I suggest you try reading what I wrote as you seem to have it 180 degrees wrong.

> Whilst it is a magnificent achievement, and a superb personal investment of time and commitment, an 8c+ in madagascar has no relevance to british climbers or climbing,

That's a bit like saying that if England was to win the European Cup (or indeed even qualify!), it would be of no relevance to English pub league footy players. I'm afraid I'm sticking with my original assessment of that being a very dumb attitude.
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aln - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to Mick Ryan - UKClimbing.com: Was I a week out? A fortnight then. How is it a preview?
Bulls Crack - on 21 Jun 2008
In reply to Aiden Wright:

I'm an 8c+ climber and have just emigrated to Madagascar and consequently found this months Climb most enjoyable.
martin k on 21 Jun 2008 - 88-108-132-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com
Ian McNeill:
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> That will be interesting, will it ?

that tom ripley is a very cheeky young man, isn't he ian? (and he's not the only one!) i'll have words with him, shall i? an interview with me would be fascinating, for obvious reasons. here's one you might have missed:

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=296018

cheerio!

kajsurfer on 22 Jun 2008
In reply to Adam L:

The best magazine on the market. The Surfer's Journal. Stunning photography. Excellent writing. Barely any adverts at all. This is paid for by the readership. It's a high price mag. But you absolutely get what you pay for. Only the very highest quality. Leaves all of the climbing mags (UK and international) deeply in the shade.
AlisonS - on 23 Jun 2008
In reply to martin k:
> Ian McNeill:
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> that tom ripley is a very cheeky young man, isn't he ian? (and he's not the only one!) i'll have words with him, shall i? an interview with me would be fascinating, for obvious reasons.

That's a great idea. There are not enough interviews with up and coming climbing talent.
Tom would make a great subject for you. Be sure to ask him about his alpine aspirations. Too many magazine articles focus on E numbers and rock, when the real excitement is Alpine.
Ian McNeill - on 24 Jun 2008
In reply to AlisonS:

Young Guns the remake .....

forget old crusties, has beens and never beens.

the futures bright the futures UKC !

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