In reply to gallam1:
> (In reply to Adam L)
> In my experience the difference is a bit like the difference between top-roping a sport route and then doing it on the bolts (Buoux slabs excluded obviously). It is slightly different but it's mainly a question of acclimatisation, not ability.
I can't agree with that. If its properly highball, you're not really in a position to fall off out of control. You can choose to jump off, but you won't get many goes at that before doing it again becomes deeply unattractive.
>I'm not sure that a ground-up with mats is a better ascent than an on-sight on a top-rope for example.
Bit of a wierd comparison as presumably by ground-up you mean 'with falls/ not first go'. Only one of them gets you a tick though.
> These are obviously excellent technical ascents and I'm glad that Toy Boy is getting some attention at last, but quick ascents of highball Font 7c/+ etc. happen frequently. And Phil Davidson and Rob Gawthorpe were climbing highball-ish Font 7c gound up almost 30 years ago (before mats were invented).
Well it depends what you class as highball. Stuff like Sole Power is not really highball in the same way as Toyboy or Cornelius.