In reply to seagull:
> (In reply to john howard 1)
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> Indeed. It's a shame there is way less interest in these World class achievements than in yet another grade bitch fest! (yawn).
That's why it is headline news on our news page Jasper, because these ascents are world class.
Try not to focus too hard on forum discussions, both at UKC and at UKB......climbers, including yourself, love talking about grades.
Some climbers also like to pretend that grades are not important, then waffle on about them endlessly.