In reply to dan evans:
Who cares? The important thing is that they are both natural onsighters. That's why when they go to Shivling with Ben'n'Jerry they'll be doing a technically demanding route ground-up while the latter will be pissing about on the campsite boulders. Onsighting talent is the mark of the true natural, not the ability to campus and dog a project into submission.
JAMIE B>