/ Ground breaking movies
Fritz Langs Metroplis
Todd Brownings Freaks
Anything by Kubrick
Most of the Dogma 95 films
Breakfast at Tiffanys
Blade, the first movie, not really the sequals, that was a massive kick in the balls for nearly all the previous comic book adaptations and actually enabled grown up comic book adaptations.
There's too many to mention. I'm over thinking now. I'll come back when my mind has slowed down.
Even "Eyes wide shut"?
The matrix: redefined fight scenes for me.
> Even "Eyes wide shut"?
Meh, I'll let it slide
Blair witch project - my reasoning, it started (albeit delayed start) the "filmed on a camcorder" style films of which there are now many.
The Exorcist must be up there.
and to finish off ill give an honourable mention to Star Wars as it set the bench mark of awesomeness.
Abyss for the cgi? Unless anything nicked in before it?
But the fight choreography (in both films) was nothing new.
> Abyss for the cgi? Unless anything nicked in before it?
Films had CGI before The Abyss. The Abyss raised the bar massively, but Flight of the Navigator and Willow used morphing effects.
The seventh seal - a film that question the existance and purpose of god, humanity and so many aspects of the human condition.
Thin Red Line - i think it changed the war film genre, as it showed it is possible to have a beautifull war movie as well as one that questions the horror of war. There are scenes in that film so vividly set which are like suckign up life, the last images from in front of your eyes before you close them forever. I thought that film was groundbraking.
A family story
King Kong (33' not the remake)
Most of Tarintinos films
Fantasia, its just incredible.
The wickerman, even if we can never see it as it was intednded to be.
There really are too many movies
Tron - no film before it was like it, Explaining computers on the big screen = ground breaking
First to use stop motion photography. Music was kick arse. Fight scenes were brilliant. Conceptually very good (if flawed from a plot line point of view.)
I was pretty much blown away seeing it.
2001 defined how a space movie SHOULD be.
Gattaca because it was just so terribly stylish you felt it ought to be wearing a hat.
I'm not just after lists of films, but rather why people think that the films are ground breaking.
Women in Love (first ginger fanny on screen)
Battleship Potemkin (first example of runaway baby carriage on steps).
Citizen Kane for its use of low angled shots and deep focus
Made my eyes pop out that's for sure. Thought I was going to be watching some arthouse cinema!
Annie Hall is widely regarded as having begun the 'rom-com' genre. I'm not sure if that's really a good thing, but the film itself is a masterpiece and probably Woody Allen's greatest achievement.
> Citizen Kane for its use of low angled shots and deep focus
Such an awesome film ... You can be sitting watching it thinking "this is pretty good & really well shot" ... Then you remember it was made in 1941!
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. I have not even seen it but it proved you could make a major feature film with international stars in English, with no sets at all. It didn't do well, but it proved a point.
Mr Lemming, I'm sorry for my lists and lack of reasons.
Daywatch and Nightw*tch, they're visually incredible, and I think the first huge Russian blockbuster.
20th Century boys, and amazing comic book adaptation, huge in visuals and scope, its mindblowingly good and often goes under the radar on topics like this.
Surprised that either Apocalypse now or Platoon haven't been mentioned yet.
The former is probably the more ground breaking...if only for the task that was it's making!
And of course Snow White and the Seven Dwarves!
Behind the green door
Tremors - there was a lot of ground broken in that movie!
Steven Seagal has never made a bad film
> Steven Seagal has never made a bad film
True ... but he's never made a good one either.
Some timelines, some interesting stuff there - http://www.stikkymedia.com/articles/a-history-of-cgi-in-movies &
http://bit.ly/eNyxFA (wikpedia, stupid forum doesnt allow the url)
> Steven Seagal has never made a bad film
I think you must gave redefined 'bad'
They barely break the surface of the WATER in that, let alone any ground!
Nice links, especially the one which remembers "Looker" - I dimly remember seeing this on a Wednesday night on BBC2, circa 1989! It had a really bad side premise involving a gun that "freezes time" for the victim iirc. More ill-conceived Crichton nonsense. Susan Dey's body scan was memorable.
Are Dogville and Mandalay Dogma 95? Jam packed full of content, presented with ruthless clarity in a completely original style (AFAIK). Masterpieces.
May already have been mentioned but for me Schindler's List stands alone as the pinnacle of film-making, sheer brutality and beauty.
Star Wars - for bringing about surround sound & for introducing Jedi to the world
Lawnmower Man was on another level for CGI at the time.
Angel-a is sublime if you like that kinda thing
The Hurt Locker - gritty and no other war film quite like it
How was Angel-A "ground-breaking" though?
Check out Julien Donkeyboy, the idiots, Mitune, Lovers.
Larry Clarks films are also in a weird, post dogme subgenre, really gritty realism but they don't follow the rules. They're brutal to watch, but amazing all the more for it.
Todd Solondz is quite a refreshing director, was it happiness with the fact and fiction halves? I don't know whether its ground breaking though.
> Todd Solondz is quite a refreshing director, was it happiness with the fact and fiction halves? I don't know whether its ground breaking though.
Cheers. I found Happiness unbearable yet compelling. Welcome to the Dollhouse not quite so unsettling, but still very uncomfortable. Definitely good films, but not stuff I would watch again.
I'm quite a fan of Neil La Bute, but I don't think I'd call his stuff groundbreaking. That said, I can't think of anything that touches Your Friends and Neighbours excruciatingly dark social comedy.
David Lynch must be in with a shout - my money is on Blue Velvet bringing truly dark and adult themes into the near-mainstream
Nobody mention Bourne Identity?
If it wasn't for this film we'd be stuck with Rodger Moore wannabes in 007.
However I can't stand any gritty TV or movies where the director goes with the hand cam wobble. Feep the shot feking still, please.
> Nobody mention Bourne Identity?
> If it wasn't for this film we'd be stuck with Rodger Moore wannabes in 007.
Don't be so ridiculous! Are you saying there was never a non-Roger-Moore-style spy/agent caper before The Bourne Identity? How did Bourne break any new ground? It was a very well made second adaptation of some high-end pulp fiction from the 1970s. No more, no less.
Wim Wenders proved all of the above before The Straight Story (admittedly sometimes there was a loose woman and sometimes someone finding oneself!)
I like The Straight Story. I don't feel it broke ground that Paris, Texas had not broken though.
Not many horror films on this thread. Blair Witch, I guess - not sure I spotted much else in the genre.
A Bout de Souffle proved that you can translate "energy" to film, take two relatively unknown actors, shoot guerilla-style on 35mm b&w film, and capture the attention of the world despite not being in the English language. I'm not a great fan of the film but I can acknowledge its influence.
Knife in the Water showed that you could do a location shoot on water with just three characters, in b&w and in Polish, and capture the attention of the world.
Visitor Q broke new ground in many ways, man with dick stuck in corpse just one of them.
Not been reading properly. I disagree with Cannibal Holocaust - it MAY have been the first, but The Blair Witch Project was the first to be noticed by anyone beyond the obsessive fans of a niche genre. I think The Blair Witch Project was one of the two most important American films of the 1990s - Reservoir Dogs being the other (as RD reminded people for the first time in decades that taut storytelling and dialogue could be the absolute centrepiece of a film, more important than big stars, zeitgeisty "topical themes", special effects or big-name directors putting egotistical signature shots into their films. Hard to remember it 20 years on, but it was incredibly impactful at a time when popular American cinema was getting a bit flabby)
In my book, "first" does not automatically mean "ground-breaking". YMMV :-)
What's YMMV? I'm not down with the new speak. I am trying to develop my ghetto patois, but all I get is funny looks.
> What's YMMV? I'm not down with the new speak. I am trying to develop my ghetto patois, but all I get is funny looks.
You Make Me Vomit?
I'm a bit disappointed I don't make people vomit though.
The first film to have a man with a false hand shaped like a hand grenade. Just in case you weren't sure it was an explosive device.
Inception. An incredible film with way less cgi than you'd think. The floating hallway fight scene was done with wires and a hallway on hydraulics. Christopher Nolan is one of the best directors working today, in my humble opinion.
Also The Dark Knight. No reasons needed.
Beavis and Butt-Head Do America: Who'd have thought a puerile cartoon could be so funny.
Team America: Puppets you say? And there's a sex scene?!
Lord of the Rings: All three. Don't think there's anything that hasn't been done before, but the epic'ness of it all.
Batman Begins: Or an earlier film I've forgotten that takes a sequel/prequel and completely changes the style of film than the previous (and makes it better IMO). Like latest Bond films or Star Trek movie.
I hasten to retract the "..and makes it better IMO" statement from the Star Trek reference. They are all great, the new one is great in a different way ;)
> Inception. An incredible film with way less cgi than you'd think.
Huge amounts of time in publicity segments for Inception were given over to wittering on about how it had less CGI than Christopher Nolan wanted you to think. There is nothing ground-breaking about rotating sets!
Earthquake! and 2012 both have some pretty spectacular Ground breaking scenes.
Carol reeds 1949 film - the third man, defines film noir and is outstanding in the genre
David lynch - surrealism, a movie analists sore head!
A few post vietnam moves including, apocalpse now, platoon and a personal favorite, full metal jacket all challenge the madness of war.
Junet - city of lost children and delicatessen shgoe galic flair
Kieślowski- Three colours trilogy - observational
IMHO the documentary is often overtlooked
One day in September by Kevin McDonald, which won a well deserved oscar, is up there with the best. Insitutional contraints were overcome and the film borrowed from the thriller genre to be entertaining. He was given assistance fron Arthur Cohn who was instramental in producing a superb exploration of the terrible events that took place as the Black September group used the Olympics of 72 as a platform to air their political views. Its not judgemental but a wonderful and well balance piece.
How does The Third Man define "film noir"? I don't think it particularly follows any tropes of the film noir genre!
> David lynch - surrealism, a movie analists sore head!
Which David Lynch film was actually ground-breaking?
> A few post vietnam moves including, apocalpse now, platoon and a personal favorite, full metal jacket all challenge the madness of war.
If challenging the madness of war is the thing that is ground-breaking, there were many films made before the Vietnam war started, that do this. Hell, before the Second World War. See Lewis Milestone's "All Quite on the Western Front"
> Junet - city of lost children and delicatessen shgoe galic flair
> Kieślowski- Three colours trilogy - observational
How were those films in any way ground-breaking?
> IMHO the documentary is often overtlooked
Overlooked apart from having had its own category in the Oscars for quite some time, eh?
> One day in September by Kevin McDonald, which won a well deserved oscar,
Are you sure you're not just using this thread to show the world that you watch things other than superhero movies?
(oh and PLEASE punctuate :-) )
Mary Poppins, first (big) use of footage combined with animation.
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