In reply to monkey man:
in reply to many points
took dog cos no one else to look after him as was me and girlfriend so better than letting him die in hot car, besides he is friends sits still where put.
I have plenty of experience of stange popular end, you know what your infor if you head there. not something i enjoy hugely and but each to their own.
I clear dont own the crag or expect to monopolise. our stuff was tidy and yes by the climb w were doing cos obviously not going to put it at the other end of the crag and limited belay area. in this case there were plenty of other good routes to climb without being on top of one another, had they asked then we were seconding the line to clean gear and had already done other routes so with 5 minutes of paitents then they would have had area to them selfs but instead we have belayers on top of each other, climbers unable to use foot holds cos someones fingers are near and loose rock very close... i am sure they would have enjoed their route more had they stopped to asked and waited 5 min is all i am saying and worsed case could always have done another route in mean time!