/ Big Thaw!
LA LA LA I can't hear you
yeh, not good news.
cancelled a trip to scotland this weekend to avoid driving up there for nowt!
Boo, just for when I get some time off! }(
Well I can't complain so far having had 10 good hill-days in the past 17 days in Scotland. Certainly looking less settled up to Christmas, but that tends to be the norm in most years. Don't worry - it'll get better in January again. I predict the second half of the month will be particularly cold.
PS - I'm always right!
Looks OK this weekend in scotland no? Maybe a bit breezy.
That is interesting! On the jetstream weblink you posted there is a section called Temperature Watch. There is a chart within that that predicts average temperature for the next 16 days. 10 degrees on the 24th - it's going to be a green christmas.
I will be watching this to see how reliable it turns out. Hopefully, it's dead wrong!!
No idea. Nobody has any idea whatsoever, whatever "forecasts" they try to cite. Keep your axes sharp, your car fuelled-up, maintain your psyche and keep all other arrangements flexible. When it's good jump on it and go get product.
Bets are off for a white christmas then?
Jamie, no, please.
Yeah this weekend and early next week don't look too bad in Scotland. It's looking pretty bad for the other areas though. After about 5 days I don't really believe the forecasts that much, but if the jet stream forecast is right there is going to be some major thawing in the whole UK around xmas time.
Dude, what language is that?
It's the language of positivity.
Maybe time to dust of the new mountain bike I took delivery of three weeks ago but haven't ridden yet as I've been climbing!
saturday it mentions terrain frozen in to the glens and sunday some terrain frozen in to the glens and snow fall above 900 metres. EH looks like less precipitation. Winds not too high. Doesn't look too bad to me bet stuff gets done.
Also the quoted temps will be for middle of the day so earlier on it's likely to be colder. But a degree or two above freezing doesn't have to be a show stopper depends what route you have planned to some degree.
South of the border: yes
North of the border: depends what it does next week (as CurlyStevo suggested, anything beyond 5 days is 'fantasy island'
Seems like an average Scottish winter... it'll be great when it re-freezes
If it's 5°C in Fort Will it can still be ok
Jamie - somehow that's even worse than "send"
snowing now down to sea level on the black isle.
As far as I'm concerned conditions can do as they please until mid to late January =)
Likewise in Kinloch. Not heavily though, and given that it is landing on well-frozen turf this time that has to be good news.
> As far as I'm concerned conditions can do as they please until mid to late January =)
You may like this then
There is an even better forecast here :-http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/Coldest-winter-in-100-years-on-way
It would mean, for example, that Lake Windermere would completely freeze over to allow ice skating - as it did in 1933.
Unfortunately the Daily Express was wrong about Hitler, wrong about Mussolini ....
last week the daily mail said this week would be the coldest in 20 years.
Ignore the Daily Mail and erase its existence from your memory. If you buy it you should be shot.
Aye can't agree more ;)
What are conditions likely to be in Wales? My housemate's supposed to be going this weekend (I'm not a winter climber so wouldn't know where best to go to find out)
Last time I went to Scotland boredom drove us to take the Ben Nevis distillery tour as there was no snow and a howling gale driving wind horizontally for a week.
The guy who was taking the tour sympathised with us and claimed that they consistently lied about the skiing conditions. Said all the photos of people skiing had been taken in Italy.
The thought of some huge conspiracy amused me.
Easy to see for yourself anytime: http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/cairngorm-mountain/
Normal conditions then. Armchairs might be ok on the hill if lashed down.
Yeah I've not got out this season yet. Scotland it didn't feel worthwhile for me yet as I now live in the SE (rather than Scotland). Lakes and Snowdonia looked OK this week in the lower grades but I don't have the holiday to take off and this weekend and last weekend didn't look worthwhile.
Still I have a trip to Cogne / La Garve / somewhere similar planned for late Jan and hope to get up to Scotland for atleast one mid to late season trip. Anything else I see as a bonus, but tbh I wouldn't travel to the lakes for anything less than good nick.
Aye I know, I just jest as I haven't done a route yet either although I've done a fiar bit of walking and skiing.
I've done a bit of walking - 16 miles plus up and down various hills near lewes last weekend. I guess you meant winter walking mind ;)
Sympathies. Hard to say what effect that sort of distance would have on my motivation. I guess to some extent it depends what you like - thus far the season has been quite good, but only if you like snowed-up rock and informed turf-hunting!
Even when I lived in Scotland I didn't get super excited about early season nick most years. I prefer neve and ice to mixed routes and when I do mixed routes I prefer well frozen turn and neve on the ledges. It does seem like things were / are starting to get good in scotland this season though.
A good friend of mine hasn't got out this season yet and he lives in Edinburgh.
Still -2 on great dun fell - maybe the big thaw could turn into a big dump of snow?
well the big thaw I was looking at was long range, we haven't hit that yet. But this weekend it does look quite touch and go between rain and snow, it wouldn't take the forecast to be out by 'that' much for it to snow.
My frustrations at getting the season underway have been reduced by considering December as a month in which it is nice to get at least one route done and I've still got two weeks to let that happen. Although I'm champing at the bit I leave it until Jan/Feb/Mar before I let the real frustration set in. I admire those who get the practicalities sorted and their act together to get out while some of us are still faffing about with having to visit family etc before Christmas, add in weather and climbing partner's own situation and December yet again is a barren month for me so far, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for getting a route done prior to Hogmanay.
Most people do, largely because they're easier!
Yeah it's not just that as I like rock climbing, I just love playing in the snow, whacking the axes in, stomping ledges, kicking your front points in - its' basically fun to me. Climbing rock covered in powder / hoar just doesn't do it for me in the same way.
I like the intricacy of mixed climbing, the puzzle-solving and applied mechanics. Despite my modest summer grade it's always been the technicality of rock-climbing which has been drawn me most, and I guess mixed transfers that to winter more than snow/ice climbing - even at grade IV you actually make moves!
quite the poet!
I also like the way you can place numerous solid pieces of pro - at least some of the time!
Me too - I reckon it's just a grown up response to the same feeling I got when I was 5 or 6 and the snow arrived with a vengeance :-)
I know - but there was a thaw predicted in England and Wales today and that may not have happened. Which proves definitively that the long range forecast is wrong :-)
check out www.yr.no it's a great website, it's Norwegian, to go along with mwis and met office, check out the hour by hour forcast and you can type in the exact place i.e. Helvellyn and it gives the temps for the exact spot and altitude, it's been pretty reliable for the last two weeks i have been using it and my guide mate who told me about it said he hasn't been let down yet, more so then the met office and looks good for mid next week and not too much doom for the weekend.
He's great. Recently read a book about him and sutherland called the loch of the green coire. Knowing the places and the poems made for sheer enjoyment.
I used to go fly fishing a lot as a kid (brown trout, fast rivers, short rods)...need to get back into it. Never done it in Scotland! We should hook up for that too.
> He's great. Recently read a book about him and sutherland called the loch of the green coire. Knowing the places and the poems made for sheer enjoyment.
Yes, that is a fabulous book. Andrew Greig's best by a mile.
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